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Lisa,

You nentioned trying Purebites (instead of Purina Treats).  Can you get this at Petco?  Is it only available online?  Do you know.

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Toby,

You mentioned that at some point your cat was diagnosed with IBD.  How was he diagnosed?  If Montana (my cat) had IBD, what would the vet have to do to diagnose it?

It's hard to treat something that you don't know the cause of.

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With the C/D there's a similar one that smells and looks almost the same called Hills I/D for gastrointestinal. That might be helpful if you can't get him to eat wet food or anything else. They also make a canned stew that both my cats love (they don't like the standard cans, only the stew and the ingredients in it aren't horrendous although it is pricey).

 
Is Hills I/D for gastrointestinal wet food?  Do I need a script for it?

Also, can you give me more details about the canned stew? (Is that made by Hills as well)?
 

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Just want to clarify.

Fancy Feast CLASSICS is ok to feed.  Totally GRAIN FREE.  ALL other Fancy Feasts are not good if you are looking for grain free.

Nutro makes Natural Choice (Chunky Chicken) and Max Cat (various flavors).  The NATURAL CHOICE - Chunky styles are grain free.  Max Cat is NOT.

If you want to use treats for toppers for canned food, Purebites is good, so is Wholelife, and even Petsmart makes a similar product, look for 100% freeze dried chicken in their dog treat area.  Most of  these items can usually be found locally in large pet food stores, depending on where you live.  But also at Petsmart are Authority treats, that are similar to Temptations, but are grain free.  If using any type of treats for a topper, though, it's probably best to crush them and simply sprinkler the crumbs or powder on top so they just get to whisper of the taste to get them started eating their "real food". 

Also, when buying the 100% freeze dried meats like Purebites, etc. best to buy dog sized bags...much cheaper
 
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@Trudilu: Tiki food is great so fingers crossed that maybe Montana will eat that without problem. And I'm referring to Nutro food... I've never heard of Nutre food!
He ate a Tiki food last night.  Whether he'll eat it again tonight is yet to be seen.  I'm also referring to 'Nutro' food.  This was the 1st food that he seemed to go for (Chicken w/Gravy).  I thought I'd at least found something; but then in a few days, he turned away from it.  I've tried other flavors of Nutro but he turns away.
 
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Nutro makes Natural Choice (Chunky Chicken) and Max Cat (various flavors).  The NATURAL CHOICE - Chunky styles are grain free.  Max Cat is NOT.

As I said before, the only Nutro flavor he really seems to be ok with is Natural Choice Chicken with Gravy (not chicken & shrimp with gravy) or Chunky Chicken) just that. And, sometimes, he changes his mind!  Don't know why.  He definitely throw up right after eating Max Cat.  While he likes it, he throw up immediately!

If you want to use treats for toppers for canned food, Purebites is good, so is Wholelife, and even Petsmart makes a similar product, look for 100% freeze dried chicken in their dog treat area.  Most of  these items can usually be found locally in large pet food stores, depending on where you live.  But also at Petsmart are Authority treats, that are similar to Temptations, but are grain free.  If using any type of treats for a topper, though, it's probably best to crush them and simply sprinkler the crumbs or powder on top so they just get to whisper of the taste to get them started eating their "real food". 

Also, when buying the 100% freeze dried meats like Purebites, etc. best to buy dog sized bags...much cheaper

We have Petco in my area (Petsmart is less convenient).  I'll try these treats as alternatives to the Purina treats which I've been told by many is like crack cocaine to kitties.  Is he addicted to the stuff?
 
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Hi,

I think that crushing the treats as a topper is a good idea!

I just did it but it went all over the place....does anyone have a good method for crushing it so it doesn't get all over the place.  I used one of these meat tenderizers and tapped the dry treats (on a wooden cutter).  It worked, but it's pretty messy!

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Lisa,

You nentioned trying Purebites (instead of Purina Treats).  Can you get this at Petco?  Is it only available online?  Do you know.

Thanks
Freeze dried meat treats are available at  most pet stores and various places online. PureBites is a popular brand. Most poeple buy the PureBites for dogs because the bag is larger and the treats are easily broekn up into smaller pieces for a cat. You can take a look at Petco.com or Petsmart.com to see what brands they carry and then head out to the store to buy. A q uick look shows that both Petco and Petsmart carry PureBites. Independent pet stores will have those plus other brands of freeze dried meat treats.
 
I just did it but it went all over the place....does anyone have a good method for crushing it so it doesn't get all over the place.  I used one of these meat tenderizers and tapped the dry treats (on a wooden cutter).  It worked, but it's pretty messy!
Place the treats inside a plastic baggie and then crush. Less mess that way 
Freeze dried treats can be rehydrated in a little water as well.
 

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Is Hills I/D for gastrointestinal wet food?  Do I need a script for it?

Also, can you give me more details about the canned stew? (Is that made by Hills as well)?
There is both wet and dry in the Hills I/D (which is their gastrointestinal)l. I believe Royal Canin do a wet gastrointestinal too but not a dry. My cats seem to prefer the Hills wet though (in the stew anyway, not the regular cans of pate').

I'm not sure of what country you are in but this is the stew here: http://www.hillspet.com.sg/products/pd-feline-id-chicken-and-vegetable-stew-canned.html

I had a kitten who was having diarrhea problems and she ate this for a month before I re-introduced a regular diet and it seemed to fix her right up (they ate a mix of the wet and dry). It's not grain free though if that's the direction you're wanting to take.

In Australia you don't need a "script" for any food in particular. If you buy it online you just have to tick a box saying you've discussed it with your vet (the Hills company are good to talk to as well if you have questions) and if you get it from a store you just need to sign a piece of paper saying you've consulted your vet prior to purchasing this food. Your vet can also order it for you and you can pick it up from them. I've not found it to be any more expensive when I've done that.
 

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He ate a Tiki food last night.  Whether he'll eat it again tonight is yet to be seen.  I'm also referring to 'Nutro' food.  This was the 1st food that he seemed to go for (Chicken w/Gravy).  I thought I'd at least found something; but then in a few days, he turned away from it.  I've tried other flavors of Nutro but he turns away.
Well, here's hoping it goes over well. If he went for the chicken with duck, maybe he'd go for the chicken with turkey, too? 

I don't know how often you feed Montana the same foods--do you rotate them?--but our cats get bored with their foods very easy and have a tendency to mutiny if they get the same thing too often. They might love a food one time but then not eat it the next week... but if I don't feed it for a while they're likely to eat it again in a couple weeks. It gets a bit tiresome particularly because we need to have a lot of food on hand! Those Pure Bites (which I buy from the vet but have seen at Petco and other stores) will make them eat just about anything. I hope they might work for you, too!
 
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There is both wet and dry in the Hills I/D (which is their gastrointestinal)l. I believe Royal Canin do a wet gastrointestinal too but not a dry. My cats seem to prefer the Hills wet though (in the stew anyway, not the regular cans of pate').

*****I've been told by both vets & cat-store owners that cats don't really even need to eat dry food to keep them healthy traditionally.  This was a surprise to me since I've always fed my cats both (dry food if they're hungry during the day to nibble on) and 1 can of cat food to share.  But the truth is, the most important thing to give them is wet food which contains all the water they will need.  So, I'm not that concerned with the dry food, altho I probably will continue to give him what he's eating now .. just  a little.  How do yo know when a wet food is 'gastrointestinal'? Does is say so on the label?  Perhaps I'll try and order the Hills stew.  Tonight Montana ate Tiki food again with sprinkled & crushed treats on top.  Let's just hope he doesn't throw it up.

I'm not sure of what country you are in but this is the stew here: http://www.hillspet.com.sg/products/pd-feline-id-chicken-and-vegetable-stew-canned.html

I had a kitten who was having diarrhea problems and she ate this for a month before I re-introduced a regular diet and it seemed to fix her right up (they ate a mix of the wet and dry). It's not grain free though if that's the direction you're wanting to take.

In Australia you don't need a "script" for any food in particular. If you buy it online you just have to tick a box saying you've discussed it with your vet (the Hills company are good to talk to as well if you have questions) and if you get it from a store you just need to sign a piece of paper saying you've consulted your vet prior to purchasing this food. Your vet can also order it for you and you can pick it up from them. I've not found it to be any more expensive when I've done that.

***Thanks for that info.  I'll give it a try.  Boy, my cat is peppy tonight!
 
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Well, here's hoping it goes over well. If he went for the chicken with duck, maybe he'd go for the chicken with turkey, too? 

I don't know how often you feed Montana the same foods--do you rotate them?--but our cats get bored with their foods very easy and have a tendency to mutiny if they get the same thing too often. They might love a food one time but then not eat it the next week... but if I don't feed it for a while they're likely to eat it again in a couple weeks. It gets a bit tiresome particularly because we need to have a lot of food on hand! Those Pure Bites (which I buy from the vet but have seen at Petco and other stores) will make them eat just about anything. I hope they might work for you, too!
I do like to feed my cats a variety of food so they don't get sick of the same thing.  In the past I fed Coony & Montana 3 brands/flavors of wet food that they both liked.  I alternated each day.  With Coony gone, Montana  has become a big problem.  It's like learning all over after 9 years.  I'm going to buy those Pure Bites and sprinkle it over whatever food I serve.  Tonight, I sprinkled a little crushed Purina Treats over the Tiki food and he ate it (I hope he doesn't throw up).

I asked before in another post - what's the best way to crush the dry treats?  I crushed the Purina treats, but it was quite  mess!
 

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Toby,

You mentioned that at some point your cat was diagnosed with IBD.  How was he diagnosed?  If Montana (my cat) had IBD, what would the vet have to do to diagnose it?

It's hard to treat something that you don't know the cause of.

Thanks,

Trudi
My cat was also diagnosed with IBD, or "likely" IBD, but nothing with formal tests. He did not have an ultrasound, but he did have a full blood panel including thyroid and urine cultures and everything came back normal (other than a slightly high-normal thyroid which my vet thinks is probably just his "normal" but we're monitoring it). My vet decided based off his symptoms and his positive response to slippery elm that it was IBD. She said its "common" especially for older cats (my guy is 13). At this point his symptoms are stable and have been for about 8 months. 
 
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My cat just threw up again.  As I said, I fed him Tiki food that he likes topped with just a little crushed treats.  He ran around the house a bit (he seemed peppy); then he just threw it up.

I have to all the vet tomorrow.  I really don't know what to do.  I feel sick about this.
 

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I think it's definitely worth consulting the vet. Cats do not *need* dry food as you said. I choose to feed a combination of both, partly for convenience and partly because they seem to really like the dry (but they only get 1/4 cup a day each at the most, the rest is wet) and lastly to keep costs down just a little. Prescription food is not cheap. 

Yes, gastrointestinal products are usually labelled gastrointestinal. You can buy "sensitive stomach" foods over the counter at the pet store but they're usually dry (Purina has one as does Science Diet as do Royal Canin).

You could also try some of the limited ingredient diets out there (we don't get them here either but I believe one is made by Natures Instinct, they do a rabbit one, a duck one) and they do both canned and dry.

Let us know what the vet has to say!
 
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So far, the vet has been useless in helping me figure out what's going on with Montana.  The blood test is fine and he has not lost weight, but he's chronically throwing up and that's not normal.  He did it again a few moments ago after eating the same thing I gave him last night!!!  He did not throw up last night.  He is throwing up no every other day; sometimes every day.  I'm sure he must be hungry after that; so what do I give him. I'm not sure what to give him.

I will call the vet tomorrow and try to get some answer but this experimentation with 1000s of foods out there is seeming impossible to me.  The Tiki, was grain free.

I can't handle this so soon after the loss of my other cat.  I need to be able to treat whatever is wrong and I don't know how to do it!
 

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So far, the vet has been useless in helping me figure out what's going on with Montana.  The blood test is fine and he has not lost weight, but he's chronically throwing up and that's not normal.  He did it again a few moments ago after eating the same thing I gave him last night!!!  He did not throw up last night.  He is throwing up no every other day; sometimes every day.  I'm sure he must be hungry after that; so what do I give him. I'm not sure what to give him.

I will call the vet tomorrow and try to get some answer but this experimentation with 1000s of foods out there is seeming impossible to me.  The Tiki, was grain free.

I can't handle this so soon after the loss of my other cat.  I need to be able to treat whatever is wrong and I don't know how to do it!
Just because he threw it up doesn't mean its food that doesn't agree with him. With IBD cats they will sometimes throw up food that they don't have issues with. For example, my cat will throw up in AM if he goes too long without food (bile), or sometimes he will scarf and barf his food. This is food he eats regularly that he doesn't have issues with, but will sometimes vomit up. You can try and give him food again and see if he keeps it down this time. You could also give him a smaller meal and see if that helps. My cat needs small meals multiple times a day to avoid vomiting. You could also look into giving him slippery elm, which helps prevent my cat from both vomiting and then feeling nauseated. 

It's all going to be trial in error. If you give him the same food and he throws up again then that's probably not a food he can eat. 
 
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He loses his appetite after he throws up.  He just doesn't want to eat anything.  I also feed him a very little bit at a time (1/4 can)....can't get any smaller than that unless it's a teaspoon. It agreed with him yesterday.  AND, he didn't throw up.  It agreed with him tonight also; BUT he threw it up.  He won't go near his foo bowl now.  Believe me I've tried a lot already (trial and error).  He's unpredictable.  He sometimes throw up; he sometimes doesn't ; but it's on a regular basis no matter what food I give him.  Believe me, I'm going through this very methodically and carefully.

I'm willing to look into anything that will help him.
 

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He loses his appetite after he throws up.  He just doesn't want to eat anything.  I also feed him a very little bit at a time (1/4 can)....can't get any smaller than that unless it's a teaspoon. It agreed with him yesterday.  AND, he didn't throw up.  It agreed with him tonight also; BUT he threw it up.  He won't go near his foo bowl now.  Believe me I've tried a lot already (trial and error).  He's unpredictable.  He sometimes throw up; he sometimes doesn't ; but it's on a regular basis no matter what food I give him.  Believe me, I'm going through this very methodically and carefully.

I'm willing to look into anything that will help him.
Right, the nausea is pretty normal after vomiting, that's what i use SE for, it prevents the vomiting and the nausea. I would consider trying out slippery elm (SE). It's safe, although it would be best if you can do it under the supervision of your vet. I mix 1 tsp of SE with 1/2 a cup water and simmer on the stove until it thickens. I then give my guy 1/2 tsp before his morning meal. It can be mixed into food, or some cats like the taste and just eat it. My guy i have to give it to him via syringe. I think i already gave you the link about SE. You might want to do some research to find a new vet that's more qualified to deal with IBD. I've found that vet's that do some holistic treatments know more about this kind of stuff and support diet/supplements as treatment. 

As a side note - My guy was doing so well i decided to take him off his SE. I thought okay, he's doing well, he can tapper down to maybe 1/2 SE twice a week. HUGE MISTAKE. He started vomiting multiple times a day and wouldn't eat anything. I started his SE again twice a day and then tapered back down to once a day. Never doing that again. 
 
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Right, the nausea is pretty normal after vomiting, that's what i use SE for, it prevents the vomiting and the nausea. I would consider trying out slippery elm (SE). It's safe, although it would be best if you can do it under the supervision of your vet. I mix 1 tsp of SE with 1/2 a cup water and simmer on the stove until it thickens. I then give my guy 1/2 tsp before his morning meal. It can be mixed into food, or some cats like the taste and just eat it. My guy i have to give it to him via syringe. I think i already gave you the link about SE. You might want to do some research to find a new vet that's more qualified to deal with IBD. I've found that vet's that do some holistic treatments know more about this kind of stuff and support diet/supplements as treatment. 

As a side note - My guy was doing so well i decided to take him off his SE. I thought okay, he's doing well, he can tapper down to maybe 1/2 SE twice a week. HUGE MISTAKE. He started vomiting multiple times a day and wouldn't eat anything. I started his SE again twice a day and then tapered back down to once a day. Never doing that again. 
Tomorrow (when this vet is in) I'll see if she knows what Slippery Elm is if she doesn't see if she can refer me to a specialist.  I do have your link but have not read it yet.  What he will eat after vomiting are those treats! but he can't live on those. I feel so bad for him because I figure he's hungry so I give him what he wants.  Chances are that Montana won't like the taste, but who knows.  Unlike Coony was, he's finicky about everything.  I've never had a problem giving my cats Petromalt (for hairballs) but Montana won't go near it.  I've had 3 generations of cats and never had a cat with a digestive problem like this so I'm pretty much at a loss.  I sincerely hope I can do something for him....
 
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