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We rescued a small kitten that we think is about 5-6 weeks old, our vet thinks that estimate is about right. She has a full mouth of teeth and weighs a pound. When we found her she was dehydrated, she did initially eat a little dry kitten food and drink some water when we got her home. She also had a couple of decent size poos, though they were dark and kinda hard. After that though she has refused to eat and drink, and resists being fed – i.e. if it’s not put in her mouth or on her teeth then it’s not being consumed, and even then it’s not a guarantee.

The night after getting fluids she had yellow diarrhea, but after we started force feeding her she started having normal brown poos of varying sizes once a day. Kind of squishy in feel. She pees several times a day and poos once a day without stimulation, if being held she will usually meow to go potty, if put next to her litter box or if asleep in her bed then she will make her own way. She has only had two pee accidents, one on me and one in her bed. 

She seems very uneasy on her feet, she will walk to her potty box, to her bed, or to us. Sometimes she just seems to give up and sits kind of awkwardly. She does seem to be able to get between her bed and the potty box without issue. She will also crawl from our laps to snuggle on our shoulders. However that is the extent of her activity.

Since the first night she is not interested in food or water. We have put down KMR, Whiskers choice cuts in gravy, other smelly cat food, dry cat food, cat treats. Held them in-front of her nose, put her in-front of the dish containing them - no reactions. Even putting the food on her top lip often doesn't get a reaction.

Right now our feeding schedule is as follows, though as we manage to feed her more we are increasing the amounts:

Morning: 1oz Hartz KMR and quarter of a teaspoon of GNC Ultra Mega High Calorie Booster Premium Formula Gel

Lunch Time: As much Whiskers Choice Cuts Cat food (blended to smoothie consistency) we can get in her – which is hard. If not much then more booster gel. Also 1oz water.

Dinner Time: Repeat lunch

Bed Time: Repeat Morning.

Each of these takes about an hour and she will move her head around, not open her mouth, and sometimes fight a little with her front paws even though she is wrapped like a burrito. Using a bottle with a dropper to drop the KMR/water on her tongue, try to get the gel/food on her tongue or roof of her mouth. 

She does have a defect in one eye, like a dent in the cornea and a defect in her iris. She can see though. Sometimes a little drainage in either eye but nothing consistent, usually after a nighttime sleep. Breathing seems fine, nose seems ok, no coughing, no vomiting. She just has no energy and won't eat/drink.

I have some digital kitchen scales coming today so will be able to keep track of her weight,  I am also replacing her blanket with hot water bottle under it with a K&H Thermo-Kitty bed.

Anyone have any suggestions to help? 

Thank you

Tony
 

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Hartz KMR does not have a good rep on this site.  Too inconsistant and kittens failing to thrive.  I would get a different brand ASAP.  Powder  mixes are better than the pre-mix which can cause diarrhea.  Pet AG, GNC, and Royal Canin KMR's are good.  Seargents brand also has a bad rep.

The kitten may not be weaned yet.  Have you tried bottle feeding?
 
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Thanks, we'll try switching to one of those brands.

We did try bottle feeding but she resisted and bit the end of the nipple off very quickly. Now using a harder, smaller, longer nipple to avoid that. She bites down on it (struggling) but we still have to squeeze it to make it drip
 

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I don't think it should be that hard to get the KMR out.  Can you make the hole a little bigger?  Not too much.
 

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Thanks, we'll try switching to one of those brands.

We did try bottle feeding but she resisted and bit the end of the nipple off very quickly. Now using a harder, smaller, longer nipple to avoid that. She bites down on it (struggling) but we still have to squeeze it to make it drip
goat milk is also an alternative, if its easier for you to get goat milk.  Raw goat milk is best,  fresh or frozen, but bottled etc works too, as long as its not any low fat version.
 

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Hi

We rescued a small kitten that we think is about 5-6 weeks old, our vet thinks that estimate is about right. She has a full mouth of teeth and weighs a pound. When we found her she was dehydrated, she did initially eat a little dry kitten food and drink some water when we got her home. She also had a couple of decent size poos, though they were dark and kinda hard. After that though she has refused to eat and drink, and resists being fed – i.e. if it’s not put in her mouth or on her teeth then it’s not being consumed, and even then it’s not a guarantee.

The night after getting fluids she had yellow diarrhea, but after we started force feeding her she started having normal brown poos of varying sizes once a day. Kind of squishy in feel. She pees several times a day and poos once a day without stimulation, if being held she will usually meow to go potty, if put next to her litter box or if asleep in her bed then she will make her own way. She has only had two pee accidents, one on me and one in her bed. 

She seems very uneasy on her feet, she will walk to her potty box, to her bed, or to us. Sometimes she just seems to give up and sits kind of awkwardly. She does seem to be able to get between her bed and the potty box without issue. She will also crawl from our laps to snuggle on our shoulders. However that is the extent of her activity.

Since the first night she is not interested in food or water. We have put down KMR, Whiskers choice cuts in gravy, other smelly cat food, dry cat food, cat treats. Held them in-front of her nose, put her in-front of the dish containing them - no reactions. Even putting the food on her top lip often doesn't get a reaction.

Right now our feeding schedule is as follows, though as we manage to feed her more we are increasing the amounts:

Morning: 1oz Hartz KMR and quarter of a teaspoon of GNC Ultra Mega High Calorie Booster Premium Formula Gel

Lunch Time: As much Whiskers Choice Cuts Cat food (blended to smoothie consistency) we can get in her – which is hard. If not much then more booster gel. Also 1oz water.

Dinner Time: Repeat lunch

Bed Time: Repeat Morning.

Each of these takes about an hour and she will move her head around, not open her mouth, and sometimes fight a little with her front paws even though she is wrapped like a burrito. Using a bottle with a dropper to drop the KMR/water on her tongue, try to get the gel/food on her tongue or roof of her mouth. 

She does have a defect in one eye, like a dent in the cornea and a defect in her iris. She can see though. Sometimes a little drainage in either eye but nothing consistent, usually after a nighttime sleep. Breathing seems fine, nose seems ok, no coughing, no vomiting. She just has no energy and won't eat/drink.

I have some digital kitchen scales coming today so will be able to keep track of her weight,  I am also replacing her blanket with hot water bottle under it with a K&H Thermo-Kitty bed.

Anyone have any suggestions to help? 

Thank you

Tony
Im trying to think.  What goes on here, why an essentially healthy kitten doesnt have the will to figth for live, to fight for survival?

Some undernourshment, sure, but it cant be everything.

He apparently gets human warmts from you, as he sits on your laps, and crawls up to your shoulders.  You can also carry it arount at your chest, perhaps in a sack.... Like is often done with babies, both healthy ones and these premature...

Give him a stuffed companion animal, preferably in fleece.  Fleece feels as moms fur.

You mentioned a nice warming pad?  And a nice bedding?

Good you use this GNC booster. It was one of my suggestions.

You can get some glucose sugar / dextrose - solutions of it are useful to give quick boost of energy.  Its enough to wet the lips with glucose water.

White caro syrup, or glucose syrup, or even honey, are other sources.

If you can get raw goat milk - fresh or frozen - it may possbibly be the difference...

Music therapy?   Some comforting, nice music?  Classical - Mozart, Bach...

Deworming with a Pyrantel poamate preparate, as these are mild.  Nemex2 perhaps.  Or had this vet already prescribed a dewormer?  Which one?

Some ideas.
 
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Thanks for the ideas! We and Sioux appreciate it.

We got the powdered PetAg kmr, she just had her first feeding with that and then got really sleepy. We'll give this a go before trying the goat milk.
Tried a slightly wider opening on the nipple, a little better.

She did have some diarrhea before switching which got a bit messy, so had to bathe parts of her, that no doubt tired her out a little too.

Will give the glucose water on the lips tomorrow and get her something to cuddle with. I like the music idea too, I'll Se what I can set up.

Also going to call the vet in the morning re-worming. I can't remember if they said anything
 
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A few hours after the PetAg milk feeding she work up and had diarrhea again but also vomited a lot of the milk up. :(
 

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Is she warm enough when you're feeding her?  Are you burping her after?  
 

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Thanks for the ideas! We and Sioux appreciate it.

We got the powdered PetAg kmr, she just had her first feeding with that and then got really sleepy. We'll give this a go before trying the goat milk.
Tried a slightly wider opening on the nipple, a little better.

She did have some diarrhea before switching which got a bit messy, so had to bathe parts of her, that no doubt tired her out a little too.

Will give the glucose water on the lips tomorrow and get her something to cuddle with. I like the music idea too, I'll Se what I can set up.

Also going to call the vet in the morning re-worming. I can't remember if they said anything
Of course, deworming such a weak kitten, barely hanging on, may be something of a "horse cure" = the cure almost as dangerous as the problem. That is why Im talking about mild preparates - there are also preparates known to be effective but quite nasty.   Pyrantel can be given already from 2w+.   Also the more all-round Milbomax.

I mean, most kittens do have round worms, and if she was ever flea infested, she can have tape worms too.   And worms are of course drain lotsa of energy from her.
A few hours after the PetAg milk feeding she work up and had diarrhea again but also vomited a lot of the milk up.
This sounds not so good. Alarming even.  Has the digestion stopped now?    Such may happen in the end.   If so, its just to give comfort and wait.

Or did you some fault with mixing / not burping enough??

When you see this message, we will know.

One more.  If she is still alive, and has diarrhea, use some flavorless pedialyte for children, instead of water.  Or at least, instead of part of water.   And or add some pedialyte between the feedings, to give her   Such pedialyte may be bough, or it may also be home-made.  Use some glucose source as the sugar base, and minerale salt if you can.  Common kitchen salt is OK to begin with.    Or you can use a mineral water bottle, let the gas out, have in some glucose....  Voilá!
 

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This sounds not so good. Alarming even.  Has the digestion stopped now?    Such may happen in the end.   If so, its just to give comfort and wait.

Or did you some fault with mixing / not burping enough??

When you see this message, we will know.
How is it going?  @TonyL   Is she  Sioux still with us, fighting on as usual?   "just to proceed"?

To avoid misunderstandings:   I didnt meant some less perfect mixing or less perfect burping can give bad damages.  Nay, its just some inconventiences alike gases in the stomach.

What I fear, is her system may have been began to shunting down, ie dying.  In this situation, they no longer digest.

So, I´m prepared for the worst, but I do hope for less dark causes of this vomiting and diarrhea...

But we do know, she is bad enough to expect everythingh.  Hoping for the best as long as you fight on as valiantly and dedicated as you do with little Sioux, but prepared for the worst too.   The line between life  is sometimes very thin.  Double so in the sick and weak ones.
 
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Home made Pedialyte
* Pedialyte formula (from World Health Organization)no preservatives so 
short life-span
* 1 cup water (boiled then cooled)
* 2 tsp sugar
* 1/8 tsp salt
* 1/8 tsp baking soda *MUST BE FOOD GRADE Better than the stuff used in your fridge

   health food stores carry it - walmart carries it in cooking section.
* (this Pedialyte formula gives needed electrolytes & some sugar for 
energy) 

Combine all ingredients and warm slightly.
Make new after 24 hours. 

Sometimes when you buy Pedialyte, you may or may not be able to buy small amounts the bottle is enormous must be used within 24-48 hours. (so you end up pouring it into many little bottles) It's easy to make it at home just make sure everything is sterilized well. 

KMR PetAg brand you are using is the best. Dry rather than liquid longer shelf life.

If she is throwing up, google online on youtube best ways to syringe feed baby kitten holding its head body upright never while its lying down, videos show best comfortable position burping very important.

When she gets really lethargic I would offer sugar water or the glucoss reciepe you have asap. with a drink right after wait then offer food when you see improvement.  Royal canin moist kitten food is very good for them.  For a little booster you can buy chlorella at food store in bulk, mix a tiny amount in with the moist food. Or syringe small amount mixed with water.

They love boiled chicken right now I would offer tiny strips, offer the broth to her as well not to much no salt. I would stay away from any dry foods.   Vet told me with the little ones try not to offer milk or any salt. KMR is great, mom's milk and the small amount of salt in pedialyte is fine. Sometimes you need to monitor their heat, make sure she gets fresh air, watch for any fever. It can be stressful but it's well worth it, hope she improves fast for you!  

If you google:   fading kitten syndrome lots more information.
 
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Thanks guys she is still going, just... No more vomit so far.
We gave her a little sugar water after she'd had a little time to recover after vomiting, her butt was a bit leaky with diarrhea. Not even enough energy to stand. fed her some kmr at 3 with lots of burping time. I think we either have her a little too much for her small tummy or maybe didn't burp her well the last time.
She's about to get some more kmr and I'm going to make the pedialyte
 

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If she's very weak, have you considered feeding her a small amount every hour?  
 
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Yeah I thought the same after she threw up, smaller for frequent meals today. Thanks!
 
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Alternating 5ml kmr and 5ml pedialyte with a tiny bit of booster gel, about every 30/40mins. Having to hold her up to pee, and she seems to have lost control of her bowels as her poo is seeping out slowly as she rests. :( I'm wiping it off her butt as it comes, it is yellow and pasty rather than liquid though.

Thought some of you might appreciate a pic from when she was doing a little better than this:

 
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Getting harder to open her mouth to feed, and it seems to be coming out of her as quickly as it goes in, poop a bit more liquid too.
 

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What a precious baby! You are doing an excellent job with this kitty, she is lucky to have you. Sending you healing vibes :vibes: :vibes: :vibes:
Thinking of you both :hugs:
 

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Has your vet given her anything for coccidia or tested her for it? She may need antibiotics.
 
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