Gertrude the kitten has horrible gas!

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... I just don't get this movement for wet-food for kitties. It makes sense if you have a cat that won't drink water, but my kitties have several water dishes (& one bucket in the bathroom) & they all drink constantly. ...
... This myth that wet food is better for normal cats is frustrating to me....


Cats should have no huge need to "drink constantly". They are designed to get most of their water intake from their food. If your cats are "drinking constantly", then the food you are feeding them is too dehydrating. They are dehydrated. Dry food is dehydrating. This is no myth, sorry!
 

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Wow, just saw your post & it may be helpful, my other Siamese-mix kitties are fine w/a half/half mix of Purina Indoor & Science Diet, maybe Gertie needs just a non-grain chow. The frustrating part is that she has always been smelly, I adopted her & she stank, de-wormed her & she still stank, fixed her & gave her all the first shots w/a check up & she still poots. Bless her siamesish heart!
Yes, our vet was very definite about saying to be careful with diet for Siamese (and mix) cats. It's meat and more meat that cats need--particularly when they're young and growing so need lots of protein--not carby fillers like grains or potatoes or peas. That's also what's worked to keep our cats fresh-smelling: first we took them off dry food, about a month after we adopted them, two years ago, then we took them off the starchy vegetables. It's really made a difference. Some cats' bodies just can't handle those starches and, as we know, Siamese cats' stomachs tend to be delicate.


Our vet, who's a cat specialist, has a very strong preference for wet foods and, on the dental side, for tooth brushing... which our cats have come to thoroughly enjoy because they love the taste of the toothpaste. It's like a treat for them. I thought I'd dread it but it's gotten to be kind of fun: the cats line up every night to have their teeth brushed.

If you're absolutely set on feeding only dry food, it's possible that you'll find that a food with more meat protein and fewer fillers will fill up your cat better than foods with lots of grains or starches. (The fillers that dry foods need, to be extruded into kibbbly shapes, are one of their big downsides: apparently dry food can't be made without them, though they're not really a part of a cat's natural, preferred diet.) Anyway, more protein could possibly mean you wouldn't need to feed as much of an expensive food, meaning it might end up being relatively reasonable in price in the long run.
 

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I wasn't a big fan of wet food until my cat died from renal failure.  What I learned from that 5 year experience was that vets, in general, aren't pet nutritionists.  They are great for the medical side of things, but haven't really studied pet nutrition in depth.  What I also learned during that time was that kitties fed a dry food diet are more likely to develop crystals and urinary problems.  My cat had urinary tract infections prior to being diagnosed with renal failure.  I also learned that cats, by nature, are carnivores.  That means, in the wild, their diet consists primarily of meat.  Dry food contains grains which they wouldn't normally eat in the wild.  Dry food also creates poop problems.  Hard, dry stools are often common with strictly dry food diets because the gastro tract pulls a lot of liquid from the body to soften the stool and help it pass.  Without proper hydration, the body basically is in a state of dehydration, even if they drink water.  Dry food diet kitties are also at a greater risk of obesity from fillers in the food they eat that their bodies simply cannot digest. 

Cats need high protein food and a high protein diet, preferably grain free.  We like to feed dry food because it's easy and convenient and doesn't require us to do a lot of work.  We can dump it in the bowl in the morning and go on about our day, but it's not the best option for our cat.  I feed mainly canned food, but I do serve grain-free dry food as a "snack" and my kitties only get a very small amount of dry food a day, 1/8 C or less.  I also use dry food as treats, rather than high carb cat treats.

Here are some really good sites with nutrition information, in addition to the Nutrition forum here at TCS.

http://feline-nutrition.org/

http://catinfo.org/
 

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I'm feeding her a mix of Purina Indoor cat chow & Science Diet dry food, 1/2 of each, she gets the same filtered water that I drink. My other cats are on the same food/water & have no issues w/ smelly poots.
those are probably 2 of the worst 2 dry foods you could feed. they are mainly corn and other grains which cats do not need! cats are strictly carnivores and need meat. even the cheapest wet food is better than the best dry food. cats get their moisture from their food and they get none from dry. dry food is very high in carbs which leads to obesity and it also causes kidney disease, heart disease, cancer, inflammatory bowel disease and diabetes.

please read this site, it has a ton of excellent info: http://catinfo.org/
 

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Thanks for the advice, I can't afford anything better than what I'm feeding them now. Do you know of a chow that is in the same $ range as my 1/2 mix? I'd be happy to try if it's affordable! Thx
Why are you mixing the two foods to begin with? I normally suggest Whole Earth Farms or Under The Sun. Nutro MAX Cat is also a better food that is a "basic natural" food. All three are pretty affordable. Though, Under The Sun is a Petco exclusive. 
 

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Zander had the nastiest poots ever when I was feeding her 9-Lives canned food and dry. I changed her canned to Fancy Feast Classics and the dry to Friskies Indoor Delights and it's no where near as bad as it was. Neither are her stools. It was always a stinky mess until I changed her foods.
 

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Zander had the nastiest poots ever when I was feeding her 9-Lives canned food and dry. I changed her canned to Fancy Feast Classics and the dry to Friskies Indoor Delights and it's no where near as bad as it was. Neither are her stools. It was always a stinky mess until I changed her foods.
It probably wouldn't hurt to change food to a bit of a better food (dry). I used to feed my cats Friskies and they were overweight, weren't very active, didn't have a shiny coat, etc... I switched to Blue Buffalo and I instantly saw a change. Shinier, fuller looking fur, they were so much more active, they lost weight (my cat who couldn't fit through a door that was left open about 4-6 inches, was finally able to fit through a door left open that much), their poops and pees changed (they weren't as stinky), and they ate less. A 5# bag will last me about 2 to 2.5 months feeding 1/4 cup in the morning and 1/4 cup at night (with feeding of wet food in the evening) for my one cat, since she should technically get 1/2 cup to 3/4 cup a day since she is 12 pounds.  
 
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This is an old pic, Morty is now all grown up:)
Great news everyone! The organic plain yogurt & powdered enzymes are really helping Gertie's awful poots- she's almost down to an everyday fart level:) She's still smelly, but it's tolerable & getting better everyday (which is good because she rides around on my shoulders, so her kitten butt's close to my nose!), I knew it was a gut issue! She's also getting really big, Gertie is going to be a large cat:)
 

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I have to say, there is no scientific evidence that wet food is better than dry food, or the other way around. Definitely not for your average healthy cat. There is a lot of speculation on some websites which have been mentioned here but most of it, as far as I can tell, is just opinion and not backed up by substantial scientific evidence. 

Here's something about the science aspect of things - 

 [article="32765"]The Science Behind Cat Nutrition​[/article]  

Also, this is an interesting interview with Dr. Cline who is a veterinarian specializing in nutrition - 

 [article="31658"]Cat Food Feline Nutrition With Pet Nutritionist Dr Martha Cline​[/article]  

Last but not least, since the dental question came up, for that there is some evidence that shows feeding dry does not clean cats' teeth - 

 [article="30205"]Does Dry Food Actually Clean Your Cats Teeth​[/article]  
 
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This is an old pic, Morty is now all grown up:)
We live in the AZ desert, so me & the siameses drink lots of water, I see no need to give them wet food. But I have to agree w/a lot of the comments about grain/corn in their food. It's not why Gertie is smelly, but it is a valid point for my other kitties. I've tried to 1/2 their dry food w/non-grain, but the 3 brands I've tried give them upset tummies (soupy poops). I'd rather they make more poop to scoop than have unhealthy smaller poops!
 

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I have to say, there is no scientific evidence that wet food is better than dry food, or the other way around. Definitely not for your average healthy cat. There is a lot of speculation on some websites which have been mentioned here but most of it, as far as I can tell, is just opinion and not backed up by substantial scientific evidence. 

Here's something about the science aspect of things - 
 [article="32765"]​[/article]
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Thanks, Anne. I read this article here, and it is a wishy-washy topic indeed. Point taken! I would note that the article says (re: anecdotes), "People's stories are always affected by various biases and fallacies and are not considered a reliable source." -- but to my mind, "scientific research" can also be affected by various biases and fallacies (scientists can disagree too, or just be unreliable scientists). Also, as the article you pointed to states, no large-scale, lifelong scientific studies for feline nutrition exist.

So, I would just say that in lieu of the elusive long-term and unbiased "substantial scientific evidence" (if that's what people seek), many people or some people or several people (or... one person: myself) turn towards long-term personal experiences, or the anecdotal experiences of others, regarding dry foods versus wet/other foods. These experiences normally involve 6, 8, 10, 16 or however-many-years with their own cat(s) and with what they have eaten during those years, and any health consequences they have experienced from that time-period. Just as with others' personal scientific research, if it exists, one can either discount another's (or one's own) anecdotal experience, or one can decide to put trust in it. If choosing the opportunity, many people have seen improvements in their cat's health and wellness when switching to wet/other (raw, cooked, non-dry) food if their cat was previously-reliant on dry food for years and had become ill during that time-frame. All anyone wishes is that their own "average healthy cat" remains happy and healthy. If any of us have certain strong anecdotes or opinions and say so, it is just that we wish health for other kitties. Sometimes we blurt out our discovered truths in blunt ways. But we each make our own choices about what foods go into our kitties' mouths, no one is preventing that!
 
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I agree. The scientific method works best where you have a large body of evidence (studies). That's how science can reliably tell us that smoking is bad for your health and that vaccines are beneficial and important. There's a HUGE body of studies on each of these topics, which works towards cancelling out personal biases by scientists and other problems which may certainly arise with specific studies. 

You're right, with no body of evidence and no scientific consensus, people tend to go to personal accounts. The only thing is, we must keep in mind that anecdotal evidence just isn't "strong" enough. It's fine to have an opinion - we do have to feed our cats in the end of the day - just being more cautious and less decisive about it is wiser, IMO. Especially when giving advice out to others, and especially when it comes to nutrition, a field so complex that what works for one cat may not work for another. 
 

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I agree. The scientific method works best where you have a large body of evidence (studies). That's how science can reliably tell us that smoking is bad for your health and that vaccines are beneficial and important. There's a HUGE body of studies on each of these topics, which works towards cancelling out personal biases by scientists and other problems which may certainly arise with specific studies. 

You're right, with no body of evidence and no scientific consensus, people tend to go to personal accounts. The only thing is, we must keep in mind that anecdotal evidence just isn't "strong" enough. It's fine to have an opinion - we do have to feed our cats in the end of the day - just being more cautious and less decisive about it is wiser, IMO. Especially when giving advice out to others, and especially when it comes to nutrition, a field so complex that what works for one cat may not work for another. 
Alas. And woe! I still think dry food is dehydrating! :doh3:
 
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