Adventures with Sourdough (Chapter 1)

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My order from King Arthur came on Thursday morning. I got my crock, the sourdough flavor enhancer, a small bottle of citric acid and the starter.  At that point, the sourdough starter was just about a tablespoon-sized blob of yeast dough. That was it. I had to add 1/4-cup of lukewarm water and stir well. You're supposed to pick out a name for your starter; hey, you're going to be spending a lot of time together! My starter's name is Issac (I don't know why; it came to me and I went with it). 

Issac, the Starter, is descended from a sourdough mother starter that is 250 YEARS old. (I find that amazing....I really do.)


And then Issac needed to be fed. 1-1/2 cups lukewarm water and 2 cups of all-purpose flour.

Issac sat out on the counter for about 12 hours, loosely covered with plastic wrap. After about five hours, he started to bubble. After the 12 hours were up, I needed to discard half of the starter. I weighed it all out, removed half and threw it away; that keeps the acidity of the starter at the proper level. Another feeding of 1/2 cup water and 1 cup flour. All nicely mixed in. And then he sat on the counter for another 2 hours or so. Discarded half the starter again, fed the remainder and Issac sat for another 2 hours. At that point, I put him in the stoneware, covered him with plastic wrap, and then put the top on. Stuck him in the fridge. And he stayed there until around 7:00 last night.


I took Issac out of the fridge last night, stirred him down, and fed him again. I let it go overnight on the counter and when I got up this morning, he had outgrown his crock. There was starter that had bubbled out over the crock, down the crock, and on the counter. Lesson learned.....put the crock in a bowl.

I took one cup of starter out of the crock, cleaned everything up, and put the cup of starter in my bread bowl. I fed Issac again, kept him on the counter for about 3 hours, then put him back in the fridge and he will stay there now until next Friday night.


Added all the ingredients for the sourdough bread....the dough is mixed and ready to be covered and to rise for about 1-1/2 hours. Issac is in his crock and is bubbling away before he goes in the fridge.


And the dough is ready for shaping! Issac is ready for the fridge! You can really see the difference in volume between the above and below pictures. It smells amazing, very yeasty, and kind of an alcohol scent. It smells good. Caution: Do NOT ever eat raw starter. 


I gently punched the dough down and it started bubbling again. I love big bubbles in my dough.


I decided to make rolls instead of bread. Rick and I prefer rolls over bread loaves; it's easy to run down to the freezer and bring up a couple rolls to have with a supper of soup or chili. And then all we have to do is wrap the rolls in paper towels and nuke them in the microwave enough to defrost. I formed the dough into 15 3-ounce rolls and plopped them into my baking pan to rise again, this time for about an hour. After the rise, I brushed them with a bit of egg wash and sprinkled some Artisan Bread Topping overtop the rolls.


A little over 35 minutes at 425 degrees and we had rolls. I dumped them out onto a wire rack about ten minutes before Rick got home from church. He walked in the door, took a deep whiff, and immediately headed out to the kitchen. He ate three as a snack. They are delicious. Nice chewy crust. We don't like our bread and rolls deep brown, so I got them out of the oven a little early. I kept a couple out to give to Rick's mom to try as I need to see what she thinks. The kitchen smells wonderful. After the rolls cooled down, I tucked them into a freezer bag and tossed them into the freezer.


Meanwhile, Issac the Starter, will remain in his stoneware crock for the week. On Friday night, I'll take him out and feed him. And then make something next Saturday. I'm thinking of trying sourdough bagels next weekend. I'll probably need Rick's mom to come down and talk me through it, just for the moral support (there's a lot of work to bagels, or maybe that's just me). Stay tuned!
 

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 After the 12 hours were up, I needed to discard half of the starter. I weighed it all out, removed half and threw it away; that keeps the acidity of the starter at the proper level.
Why would you throw away a good starter? Why not just put it into another container and make a second starter and give it to a friend or relative?  Seems like such a waste of money to me.
 
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I thought it was an incredible waste, too. But nobody wanted it. Nobody wants to deal with starter (and, believe me, I asked). Nobody wants to bake bread. Nobody wants to be in the kitchen anymore. Sometimes I feel like I have three heads or something. I'm an anomaly. At least with the people I hang out with. I don't get it.

I asked a close friend if she wanted some starter. "OMG! Why? Why would you even think about doing that?" And that was the response I got from pretty much everybody. Except for my sister. She said, "You ARE kidding, right? I'm not going there. But I'll take some of the bread!" 
 

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I thought it was an incredible waste, too. But nobody wanted it. Nobody wants to deal with starter (and, believe me, I asked). Nobody wants to bake bread. Nobody wants to be in the kitchen anymore. Sometimes I feel like I have three heads or something. I'm an anomaly. At least with the people I hang out with. I don't get it.

I asked a close friend if she wanted some starter. "OMG! Why? Why would you even think about doing that?" And that was the response I got from pretty much everybody. Except for my sister. She said, "You ARE kidding, right? I'm not going there. But I'll take some of the bread!" 
Winchester Winchester Exactly. I ran into this also. There is only one person who ever wanted some. But she always wanted some when I didn't have any. I finally gave her the recipe for my sourdough starter and bread and told her make her own. :nod:
 
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I would give anything to live close to somebody who loves to cook and bake. Don't get me wrong; I like to do things by myself most of the time. I can put music on and just do my thing. But there are times when I would like to bake with somebody, too. Esp during the holiday seasons with all the cookies and candy and such. I think it would be fun. 

ETA: Rick's mom just called me. I had dropped off some of the sourdough rolls at her house this morning. I just put them in a container, put the container in a plastic bag, and wrapped the handles of the bag around her door knob at her kitchen door on my way to work. I didn't want to get her awake that early. But Jackie (beagle) let her know that somebody was at the door. 
 Anyway, she opened the door, saw the bag and opened it. She was going to wait and have the rolls with her lunch today, but she couldn't wait that long. So then she decided to only eat one and save the rest. But she ate all three of them. She said they were delicious! 


And she said that if I want to make bagels this coming weekend, she'll come down and help me form them.  
 
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It does sound delish.  I love sourdough bread and I'm sure rolls are just as good.  You really needed a lot of patience to make this, looks like it was worth it.
 
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Do you boil your bagels with malt before baking?  
Yes, I keep barley malt in the fridge because I use it in some of my breads (and in some of the bigas that I use for bread). So I boil the bagels in the barley malt, just barely, maybe a minute or so. I know that commercial bakers use lye for boiling....or at least they used to. Lye scares the crap out of me and I'm not going there. I have used baking soda and I've used barley malt. I have to get the malt at our natural food store; our local supermarkets don't carry it.

Our receptionist asked me for my next starter discard...she said her husband would like to try it. 
 
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This is all very interesting to me!  It's something I might try someday; but not right now.  I'm afraid I wouldn't keep it up right.  We used to be able to get a really tasty sourdough bread at one of the local grocery stores.  But they stopped carrying it a long time ago.  Most just don't have that sourdough taste! 

My mother and I used to do a lot of cookie baking together.  She will sometimes come down and help me peel apples and things when I'm getting pies made for Thanksgiving and Christmas.  But now she and my step-dad are eating mostly vegan and avoiding sugar; so I don't know what our holiday meals will look like from here on out.  Mom did make me an Italian Cream Cake for my birthday; and she's making a caramel cake for DH's.  But she only eats one small slice and sends the rest with us.  She loves baking; so this is really different.  But she has lost weight and my step-dad (who genetically is prone to weight gain) is looking great!  She may still bake some; but it's got to be hard to bake and not eat.  I couldn't!  
 
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I think it's fascinating. Hopefully, eventually the starter will find its own yeasties in the area and take on its own tang. Unless I somehow end up killing it.

You were talking about baking with your mom. Years and years ago, I would buy 2-3 bushels of apples at a time. Both my mom and my MIL would come down to the house and we had a regular line going. Peeling and slicing, cooking the apples down, using the food mills for sauce. And then the pies. More peeling and slicing. Rolling out dough and putting everything together. And baking, baking, baking. Then apple dumplings and apple crisp. It was truly an all-day job and I was so thankful that they were there to help me.

I'd always put something in the crock pot early in the morning so that we didn't have to cook dinner. After cooking and baking all day, who wanted to make supper? So we'd clean the kitchen up and then have dinner. Dad and my FIL would come down and we'd all eat together. Another kitchen clean-up and then everybody would leave. (And I'd go to bed for the rest of the night!) I have a lot of memories of doing this with Mom and Evelyn. We did the same thing with cookies, too, but on a smaller scale. And sometimes, my aunt would come down with my mom. I remember rolling out cookie dough while Mom and Aunt Gladys would sit at the table and make cookie balls to bake. Or they'd decorate the rolled cookies. Sometimes it was downright hilarious with the things we talked about. I do miss those days.
 

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I remember my Mom and Aunt working with my Grandma on cookie trays.  I have a few pictures I took from my Grandparent's albums too.  The big deal was making placek.  Even the men participated because they got to knead the huge bowl full of dough.  Us kids were admonished not to jump or shout so the dough wouldn't fall.  They always made the breads during the winter.  I don't know how many went into the freezer; but whatever they made had to last all year.  The best treat for breakfast was a slice of placek lightly toasted and buttered. 
  I have not had placek in YEARS! 
 
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Placek? I've never heard of it, Mooch. What is it, please? That sounds interesting. I googled it, but got images from cake to cookies to a bread, to coffee cake!
 
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Those rolls look amazing. I want one or 3 right now 


I have no experience with that although I think it would be fun to try it. The closest is the Amish friendship bread which I haven't made in ages but it's so good. I've always had the same issue. No one wants any of the starter but will gladly take a loaf of the bread after I've done all the work. 
 

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I just ordered the crock and starter set. I'm very excited to see how it turns out. 
  I saw the artisan bread topping that you used but I got the everything bagel topping instead. That's my favorite. 


Will I screw it up royally?? Hopefully not. I've been baking from scratch for 35 years. Time will tell though. I hope the humidity here doesn't do anything to it. I keep the AC on 24/7 these days so maybe I'll get lucky. 
 
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Way cool! 
 And you got your starter for free then, too! Congrats! I didn't see the bagel topping; I would have gotten that as well. You won't screw it up, not if you've been baking for that long. If you have any questions, I'll help you if I can!
 

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Way cool! 
 And you got your starter for free then, too! Congrats! I didn't see the bagel topping; I would have gotten that as well. You won't screw it up, not if you've been baking for that long. If you have any questions, I'll help you if I can!
I'm very excited about it. I like baking better than cooking but I do like both. I started baking from scratch when I was 10 years old. I started with coffee cake and from there went to regular cakes, cupcakes and apple pie. My first pie crust came out great and I was so proud.
  My mom never met a box mix or can of frosting she didn't like. If I had my way, canned frosting would be illegal.
  Mom can't imagine why anyone would bake from scratch. She even made cookies out of cake mix. Then again, she doesn't like cats either. Coincidence??  I don't think so  
  


They already sent me the confirmation that it's on the way. I am looking forward to getting my hands on it. I'll start with rolls too I think and freeze some to take to DD. She's my toughest critic (besides me).

I was surprised that KAF's prices were pretty reasonable. I priced the everything bagel topping on Amazon and a 2.5 oz jar is $5.99. KAF gives you 8 ounces for $9.99  I might have to make some pretzels one of these days too.. 
 
 

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I just went through the recipes I copied from my Grandmother's cookbook years ago  Apparently I never finished because I found the card labeled and dated; but blank beyond that. 
  it's not in the cookbook my aunt gave me when i got married either.  I will have to check my mother's cookbooks or get it from my Aunt.  But I think it takes multiple risings.  I'm not sure at this point. 
  Someone will have it for me; between my Mom and Aunt or 2nd & 3rd cousins.  One of Gram's sisters is still alive and I know she used to make it also.
 

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I used to work with a lady from Poland.  She would occasionally bring in things she had baked and they were always really good.  I don't know if they are Polish or not, I know they are Eastern European,, I love rugelach and kolachi.  My MIL's mother was from Russia and my MIL would make both during the holidays.   They lived in Northeast Ohio and there were several Orthodox churches in the area and they  would sell them during the holidays and then sell pierogies  during Lent.

The thing I liked about the baked goods the Polish lady I worked with made was that they were rich but not too sweet.  
 

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My Grandmother's parents emigrated to the US from Poland.  I'm not sure if they married before or after they came here because my Great-Grandmother came after he sent for her.  I never met them.  My Grandfather is Italian; and Gram did a good job of blending traditional dishes from both sides into our family meals and holidays.  The area my parents grew up in is known for the variety of ethnic foods you can get.  Eating up there is such a treat!  It makes dining out here seem subpar.  We have so many chain restaurants.  There is more to life than another Applebees, another Bob Evans, another steakhouse!  

I've got to admit; this bread talk is getting to my sweet tooth.  Yesterday DH ended up getting the day off of work.  He goes in before I get up so when he got home I'd fallen back to sleep on our bed.  When he walked in the room I was dreaming of slicing fresh bagels.  
 
 
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