Colour genes and what you could except?

I'm unsure were to post this question so if it needs to be moved please move it to were it needs to be cheers.

I have been talking to other breeders since some of my first posts about my cats and lots of them have been helpful until I start asking about what colour one can except from a breeding. One breeder said it's just down to luck (odd answer but whatever).

so I decided to come here. So my questions are 1. are there any books that can explain this stuff to me if so can someone recommend one? 2.if I took a blue oriental female (whos mom was a blue and father was a blue point siamese side note the mom's sister is a blue tort) and a lilac point siamese male (whos mom was a seal point siamese and the father was a red,apircot or cream point not sure which of the 3 tho).

First off I would like to say yes I'm using my cats as examples have I bred them the answer is no will I bred them maybe but not for some time if I do so if I ever do bred them. Which I'm looking to see how much the local vets want for spay/neuter (is it just me or is it a bad sign when a vet office asks to take your number to call you back on prices but never calls u back?).

And one last question what do you guys thing of these new "breeds" of cats that are poping up?

ok so blue female (dilute black) carrying pointed to a lilac (dilute chocolate) pointed will give you blues, and lilacs, half of which will be pointed.

could torts pop up as my females mothers sister was a tort?

Alright. You stated that the cats you mentioned in your post are your own cats. Do you have their pedigree that you can share? To be absolutely sure about what colorings their kittens could have, we will need exact information. If this is not possible, I will need to know: Were mom/dad/grandparents tabby or not? Do they have any white or not? 

I can explain some of the genetics to you too, if needed. However, I'm not that known with how chocolate/cinnamon/lilac/fawn work genetically (as in, how it's passed on) as my breed does not allow this coloring. I dont have any websites or books to link to you unfortunately, as I taught it to myself.

Morganalefae said:

 
could torts pop up as my females mothers sister was a tort?

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No, to get torts you need a tort female or a ginger / cream male.

No I do not have a pedigree sheet for the my cats nither breeder offered them. both of my cats show all the features of the pure breds so I doubt they are mutts. as for tabby markings I dont think they have them as my blue oriental girl is a solid blue and my male is a lilac point (no tabby markings). I can say that my males mother parents were both seal points from what the breeder told me and I saw via pictures and their papers.

Alright, so I'm going to assume the following:

Mom:

Blue (Dilute)

Non-tabby

Point carrier

Dad:

Lilac (Dilute)

Non-tabby

Point

Predicted kitten colors:

Boys and Girls:

Blue Solid

Blue Point

Possible extra kitten colors, depending on what the parents carry what we can't know with the current information known:

Boys and Girls:

Lilac Solid

Lilac Point

You have about a 50% chance on the kittens being point, and 50% on them not being point. As another breeder said to you, this is also kind of luck. In one of my litters I had a 25% chance on a point kitten, but from the 5, 3 were points. So these are just estimates Also, the lilac posibilities I mentioned are ONLY possible if mom carries the chocolate gene (lilac is dilute chocolate). I don't think she does, but as far as I know it could be possible. We can't look back that far. But I wouldn't count on her giving lilac kittens for now.

I'm looking through all my old contacts and stuff to see if I can find the email address I had for the lady who I got my little girl from.. I think she said my girls moms mom was a tort but I'm not sure about tort colouring if that makes sense.

Morganalefae said:

 
I'm looking through all my old contacts and stuff to see if I can find the email address I had for the lady who I got my little girl from.. I think she said my girls moms mom was a tort but I'm not sure about tort colouring if that makes sense.

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Could be, but it won't make any difference in what I said ^^ Tortie means that that cat has both the black and red base coloring, and it will effect the colors of the kittens that that specific cat can get. But it won't make a difference with your girl, as she is not tortie. 

I tell you what I find cat colour genes interesting. how many people play around with the idea of what a cat would look like crossed with another cat with out breeding them of course!

Morganalefae said:

I tell you what I find cat colour genes interesting. how many people play around with the idea of what a cat would look like crossed with another cat with out breeding them of course!

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I love genetics as well! ^-^ one of my girls is currently 8 weeks pregnant, and it's a very interesting match up when looking at genetics. So I'm so curious to see what the kittens will end up looking like!

Ok I'm curious what would you get if you crossed a brown spotted bengal male (whos family tree has been nothing but brown spotted bengals)  and a chocolate point siamese female (whos family try is a mix of chocolate and seal points) what do u think colour wise u would get?.

I do not own more then 2 cats which I would like to state such that way people dont acuse me of being a reckless breeder. Also is it just me when I think we would not have some of the cat breeds we have now if a single person (or group) did not say what if and then picked the best and most healthy cats to cross?

some cross breeds for those that do not know are: Himalayan's (cross between siamese and persians),Bengals (cross between a domestic and a wild cat like a ocelot), Australian Mist (a cross between burmese,abyssinian and a domestic shorthair), Savannah (cross between a domestic cat and a serval), Tonkinese (cross between siamese and burmese) I'm very sure the list goes on.

Mom:

Chocolate

Non-Tabby

Point

Dad:

Black (Brown = black)

Tabby Spotted

Kittens predicted colorings:

Boys and Girls:

Black Tabby (Spotted or Mackerel/broken Mackerel pattern)

All kittens will be point carriers, chocolate carriers and non-tabby carriers, but they won't show it, as dad's genes are dominant over the chocolate and point. 

And in my opinion, most breeds are created by humans. Even those that are natural are modified eventually to a certain standart that we now all follow. For me, it's most important the breeds remain healthy and don't stray too far from the originals. Unfortunately, most breeds change a lot over the years, and I know of people who can't even recognize their own breeds that they used to breed 20 years ago, because nowadays they changed a lot.

Thats true I hope tho that it is bettering the breeds. Like for exsample I thought my boy was going to be a modern siamese with the really pointy face and sleek body but his is more like the traditional which I have never really seen. But most of the siamese breeders I contacted told me he was traditional. which then makes me wonder how does that happen if both parents had the look of modern siamese? wonder if it's a throw back.