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Hello, thought I'd join in here - Pixie is extremely cute and I can't resist.  On a more serious level, Mouse has a 'probable' FHV diagnosis which was given when he was about 1 1/2 but the signs and symptoms were all there from when I first brought him home - they just weren't the most common ones of upper respiratory infections, or runny eyes until much later.   The diagnosis was made after 3 successive periods of a runny eye which never seemed to present with bacterial infection, and when he was seen by the vet with ocular specialty they saw what they believed were the herpes lesions on his eye.    

Why I identify with Pixie other than her being a spotted tabby like my previous cats?  I have posted many times about Mouse's oral problems.  When I brought him home age 15 weeks I noticed he had quite smelly breath (I described it as meaty).   I figured it was probably teething and took no action.   Anyway, the breath stayed stinky, I also noticed sporadic coughs and little sneezes but as he never had any discharge or signs of infection I wasn't worried about him  (I'd never heard of FHV at that time).   He had always been a super-silly and super energetic kitten but gradually he started to get quieter, hid away from me more and more, and started to get more reluctant to play.   He had a natural instinct to eat like a piglet but preferred feeding through play rather than from his bowl.  I  thought this was because he was such a play hound, however as he got quieter he still wanted his food on the move, would only nibble at wet food in his bowl and preferred me to throw biscuits for him to play with then eat.  His favourite was stinky freeze dried fish snacks.  Crisis hit when he turned away from his fish snacks one day.   I finally checked his mouth and his gums were red around the teeth and bleeding a little and I felt this was much worse than kitten teething (now aged about 9 months). Straight to the vet - my poor little mite had stomatitis which in medical / veterinary terms means lesions / ulcers in his mouth.   He had developed tonsillitis and the lesions had become infected because I hadn't checked his mouth as well as you have @Pixies Ma  .  He had a very sore mouth and a sore throat, he had ulcers on his gums, under his tongue and a large one on his tongue.  Swallowing and chewing must have been extremely painful.   He was given antibiotics and pain medications for this, but worryingly it returned within a couple of weeks of the medication ending, despite our immediately having started him on a strict dental hygiene routine and dental food which he loved.  He had 2 or 3 further rounds of treatment to get the mouth ulcers and gum inflammation under control and by the time that settled down it was about 8 or 9 months from the first infection being picked up.  My bank balance was not happy but I was relieved he was in less pain.   I had a seriously picky eater though, and by this time he would eat only the dental dry diet and only if it was hand fed as a game....  Roll on a couple of months and the runny eye situation started up, and finally the probable FHV diagnosis. 

Finally a complete picture started to come together.  The vets advised me against going for full testing for FHV as said the false results were high in frequency and they were so confident this was the cause of Mouse's problems so why waste money (which I agreed as had and still have great confidence in them).    They said that oral FHV presentation as primary lesion area is rare but that was what had caused Mouse's earlier illnesses.  His mouth is still sensitive and he will cough maybe once or twice a day, a few days a month.  What tends to indicate he has a slight flare up is the runny eye, and if he hides away and gets a runny eye it will continue for two to three weeks - it does usually resolve at 3 weeks if I support his system with L Lysine (we tried the significantly more expensive anti-viral meds but the flare ups took the same time to subside).   The vets also concluded that Mouse probably has a poor sense of smell - and I agree as he struggles to find even stinky stuff right under his nose, his eye sight is definitely not great and possibly not even as good as the average cat for still items.  Put this together and you have a cat that only tends to eat strong smelling food that is on the move to catch his attention.  He knows where his food bowl is, and it is rarely empty other than when he has pawed and removed all his biscuits from the bowl to the floor 
where he can paw the biscuits about before chomping on them, but he prefers to instruct his humans to throw his food for him so he can chase it about.  He is tubby but he has 3 humans to pander to his demands (and a tin that holds his daily ration).

Mouse was very sick on and off for the first 1 1/2 years of his life but I have to admit I was really stressed out at that time and figure that made his condition a lot worse, along with me not realizing he was sick early on.  Once my life was calmer and I was less stressed this had a very positive effect on him.  I think you are in a very good place in terms of your understanding of how your anxieties and worries impact on Pixie.  The other thing I think has helped with Mouse is that his immune system as a whole seems to have developed over the last couple of years, and he now only tends to get a couple of break through flare ups a year - they do last for about 3 weeks and that is with the L Lysine support.   When ever his little body is fighting the virus he is noticeably less energetic and withdraws and this is what first alerts me to his being unwell.  He is usually an extremely sociable cat but this virus makes him feel so rubbish he just wants to curl up in a comfy, quiet spot and have someone occasionally come to give him some snuggles while he tries to build up the strength to beat the virus down.   This quiet behaviour and the feeding issues very much sounds like how you are describing Pixie.

If it takes hand feeding to get her to eat, then hand feed her - she is a cat, she will probably be a total diva whether you pander to her willingly or not, but for sure she will be stronger and healthier and in a better place to beat what ever is bringing her down if she eats well.  Pixie is very lucky to be living with someone so attentive as you.    Your most recent visit to the vet sounds promising in terms of their listening to you, and not rushing in to antibiotics or anything that might put more of a strain on Pixie's little body so keep doing what you are doing, and hopefully you will see her start to blossom very soon (but not to get as chubby as Mouse is).  If Pixie still seems to have a reluctance to eat and swallow, when you talk to your vet it's worth asking if they have checked her throat as well as her mouth and teeth.
 
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Thank you MServant :)

Mouse and Pixie seem to have similarities indeed, though i didnt see a pic of him?

The vet has checked her mouth yesteday, but throat problems must be hard to detect from the outside. Just now as she was in her carrier for steam therapy while i was in the shower, i could see and hear her swallowing. Her lymph nodes were normal yesterday. Stomatitis is something that was mentioned to be by someone here, and it's something to check for.
Her teeth and mouth must not hurt so bad cause she chews on her brush, and carried her toys in her mouth when she gets the zoomies. She doesn't eat kibble in large quantities either, but she seems more at ease biting and chewing than licking. Yeah, probably throat problems. Not sure what i can do for that right now. She will be on lactoferrin along with her lysine within a week though, as soon as i get my order in the mail.

Your chasing food story reminds me Pixie would probably benefit from those interactive feeders i see all over the place. My vet sells one for 20$. Can't afford that right now, but it's something i plan on doing cause Pixie has defo showed signed of being a pro hunter. She hides her toys under my bed when she is done with them.

Give Mouse a squeeze for me.
 

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Trying out home made before laying out any money is a good idea.

Mouse loves the hunt for food but he has zero tollerance for any of the interactive feeders - maybe because without the reduced sight and sense of smell they are just too hard for him (or simply he has no patience and a smaller brain than I give him credit for).
 

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Have you heard of a food called Recovery. It's made by royal canin. I got it from my vet. It's very good and very wet. You don't say if she drinks. Maybe ask your vet about theverything recovery. I gave it to my cats when they were ill and it always did the trick.
Good luck with your gorgeous kitty.
 
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@MServant   (Dunno if the tagging will work)
Mouse is  cutie. I saw him, but was looking for another cat as i understood you have a spotted tabby too. Thought Mouse is a Blue Russian.
 I'll keep an eye on her mouth. It occured to me she might be teething. The biting her brush, amonst other weird things, may be an indicator. And altough she chews some kibble, she often swallows some whole, sometimes it gets stuck and she chucks it out. That must irritate her throat some more.

@mrsgreenjeens, the plastic container seems like the best option. From what i saw, the tube DIY are made out of carton. It's not washable and i need to wash her stuff often cause of the virus..or viruses. The plastic ones are washable. Thanks for the link though, it planted a seed.

@Stewball, she was on Convalescence and Ad for a while. The texture of Ad was perfect for force feedings. I went back to it at some point, but she got bored with both kinds on top of it giving her nasty flatulence. The kinds i give her now are just as rich, but less costly. A can of Ad costs 4,75 with taxes. Ouchie..Besides, some of their ingredients grossed me out.

General Pixie update; he seems a bit better. A bit more energy, though she never stopped playing, just not as often and as long. She did the jumping-on-bed-and-my-face-then-off-bed-on-rapid-repeat this morning, and ate half a tablespoon on her own. She still doesn't eat on her own between meals, or very little. In fact, she ate nothing the whole 6 hours i was out last night. Then she devoured from my finger...I'm gonna keep helping her for a couple of days just to make sure, but then i'll stop helping her for 2 days and see how that goes. Still makes some nose noises on occasion, mostly when she has something in her mouth like a toy of kibble. I think i heard her sneeze an hour ago, which is a good thing in her case.
 
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Sorry, what are Purraises? I got notif someone purraised me. Is that like a badge of honor? Am i becoming...popular? *Tosses back hair and lifts nose*
 

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Has your vet looked up her nose?
Read the thread 'Mystery Solved' thoroughly.
 
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@Stewball  Yes, she has but not with any instrument. I know they can do rhinoscopies on cat but that is very expensive. I had asked the previous vet if it were possible she has a polyp up her nose, cause she has one in her ear. She said no. But the one i saw this week said it's actually possible, without my even asking. I'll check out the thread, thanks.

@NewYork1303  Close enough. I have some purraising to do, as many posts have been very helpful. Love your Pratchett quote, by the way.

Pixie update number two; she is eating and eating and eating today. She has gone to her kibble bowl many times on her own, and ate a tbsp of canned on her own just now. Might have to do with the sneeze fits (dry) she had earlier. She doesn't usually sneeze much. I'll always remember the time, in the beginning, when she was so skinny and couldn't breathe. She was so congested she was breathing through her nose, looking like death. I couldn't evne force feed her, as it made her panic cause i'm guessing she felt like she was drowning. A friend and i were frantically trying to find ways to indice sneezing, including many steam baths, saline injections, and trying to tickle her nose with floss. Nothing worked.  I gave up and went to bed at 4am with the intention of having her put down the next morning cause she was too sick for too long. The next morning i woke up to a crying kitten, one corner of my bed full of snot spots. She had sneezed a bunch of time overnight. I gave her food and she started eating like a starved kitten. And that's when the force feeding stopped for good :)
 

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Pixie update number two; she is eating and eating and eating today. She has gone to her kibble bowl many times on her own, and ate a tbsp of canned on her own just now. Might have to do with the sneeze fits (dry) she had earlier.
This is GREAT news! 
 
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@MServant  Can't go out and celebrate anyway, i have to save my money for CAT FOOD 
  One more nail in my spinster coffin....

She was beautifil, and i love how Pal looks like an old veteran. I love old pets and how they look with their graying faces. There's honor in that. It's a privilege to care for them when they are old.
 

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Would you say panic over or it's much to early to tell.
Anycase i. m very pleased she's eating by herself .long may it continue.
For all that i hope you read the thread. It's positively amazing.
 

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@Pixies Ma    Don't bemoan the spinsterhood too much:  a friend and I were out the other night and grinning away as we chatted about our poor friends who had their 20 - 30 year old offspring back home and living off them and taking over their would be comfortable homes, wringing their hands with frustration and disapair at their now long in the teeth husbands who hang about the house far too often, getting under their feet and curtailing almost all plans for fun they might have.  (I prefer not to remind myself that this particular friend did recently marry but it was recent and they man she found seems to be quite an adventurer and kindly takes off on his own for regular sailing trips and holidays to she still gets to enjoy her time as she should). 
    

Pal was quite the gray furred dignitory by the time she left me for what ever lays ahead for us all.   She was well and truly pampered as it became all to apparent that my lovely, gentle, spotted furball was a tyrant and bully when it came to her sister Pal! 
   I wish I could find a photo of their kitten bellies for you, I don't think I have any of them all stretched out and cute like Pixie but oh my those spotted bellies were 
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@Stewball  Panic defo over. That was a while ago, the time she was breathing through her mouth. Lately there has been appetite loss but i managed to get enough in her by having her lick off my fingers. She was very little back then. Feels like months ago, but it was mid-July.

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@MServant  Bellies are irresistible. That's actually why i adopted my late dog. He was laying belly up in his cage. Good thing i have kissed Pixie's belly so much, she is now used to it and shows it to me when she is feeling mellow.

Pixie still eating like a true kitten today. She needs the energy for all the playing she's been doing, including pouncing on my face at cat o'clock.
We all know what car o'clock is. Always too damn early in the morning. I can already see her belly getting rounder. Wonder if it's the wormer i gave her on tuesday or if it's just a coincidence she started eating like a little piglet 48 hours after her Strongid dose. Maybe a second generation of roundworms was making her feel icky.
 

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Could have been worms making her feel icky, or maybe she is just one of those kitties that goes on and off food for a few days at a time.  Some do, you just have to watch with kittens that they pick up again and keep weight gain as much as they need to.  

I always laugh when I think about snowleopard and Pal's bellies because they looked almost identical when I went to meet them and then drove them back home to my appartment.   Pal was a bit more like broken stripes and spots and her fur was slight;y darker but other than that it was almosts impossible to see a differnece.   Then when they got out of their carrier they went straight to investigate the kitten feeding area:  Pal picked at a little food and snowleopard guzzled an entire bowl of kitty-milk!  When she started their shape was the same and when she finished her belly was so round it was almost scraping the floor!   That's the way she stayed - she was all soft and round and Pal was skinny and ran about everywhere.
 

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Could have been worms making her feel icky, or maybe she is just one of those kitties that goes on and off food for a few days at a time.  Some do, you just have to watch with kittens that they pick up again and keep weight gain as much as they need to.  

I always laugh when I think about snowleopard and Pal's bellies because they looked almost identical when I went to meet them and then drove them back home to my appartment.   Pal was a bit more like broken stripes and spots and her fur was slight;y darker but other than that it was almosts impossible to see a differnece.   Then when they got out of their carrier they went straight to investigate the kitten feeding area:  Pal picked at a little food and snowleopard guzzled an entire bowl of kitty-milk!  When she started their shape was the same and when she finished her belly was so round it was almost scraping the floor!   That's the way she stayed - she was all soft and round and Pal was skinny and ran about everywhere.
Wish I could go off food now and again. Sigh.
 
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