Stud & Queen Hate Each Other...

Okay so I'm completely lost on what I should do here. I had put together my queen and new stud back on Sunday (three days into the queen's heat cycle). They had not met prior so of course they weren't super pleased with each other. I figured that the hormones would prevail though. Apparently not. Three days in together and my queen will not do the slightest thing to hint she's interested. No calling, no prancing, no rump up in the air, nothing. She just sits there looking angry and hisses at the stud if he so much as looks her way. On the same hand, the stud is also completely uninterested. He hides and seems to have zero interest in the fact that my queen is in there.

I was thinking maybe my queen's cycle stalled due to the stress of meeting a new stud so I just took her out of his room and not more than five minutes later she's howling and going crazy, trying to mate with every living (or nonliving) thing in the room. What should I do? Should I be worried about my new stud? He's 1 year and 5 months old, a Scottish Fold import, never bred before. Perhaps I'm worrying over nothing and they'll just need to acclimate some more, but since my queen was living with my other stud prior to heat they had no issues mating.

It just seems odd to me since I know queens are often sent out to mate so it seems like after three days there should have been SOME interest. Trying not to lose hope.

I used to breed (Himalayans) light years ago, so can only give my opinion, but at least with the Himmies, the studs were not really interested until they were closer to two years old.  Siamese, on the other hand (from rescue experience) were very keen on attempting it around 6 months of age, to my great horror and surprise.  What I would suggest at this point is that you let him out with her in the house, where she obviously has gone back into heat.  He may become interested and less scared in a space where he can get away if needed.  As for her, since he is inexperienced and not aggressively jumping her, she has probably gotten distracted from being in heat and sees this "boy" as just an intruder in her home.  The chances of him successfully breeding her in this heat cycle are probably not great, but if you just leave them to work out their relationship in the house, he may grow less afraid of her and may be more interested by her next heat.  Alternatively, breed her to another stud this time and let your own boy mature.  Since most breeders recommend only one litter a year per queen, your boy should have his full supply of male hormones flowing by then.

Anything you would add, @StefanZ?

Hello Red Top Rescue,

Thank-you for your response! That did occur to me yesterday that perhaps Folds are one of the breeds that are a bit slower to mature. I knew Persians are as I bred Napoleon/Minuets prior and they could be pokey. I haven't heard of the Folds sexually maturing at a later age but fingers crossed that I can find some information pertaining to it, or perhaps another breeder of Folds or BSH/BLH will stumble along and tell me to cool my jets.

My queen will be allowed to stay with him now so they can adjust to each other and hopefully down the line my boy will realize she won't murder him and my queen... won't want to murder him. Oh boy!

munchkinmayhem said:

 
Hello Red Top Rescue,

Thank-you for your response! That did occur to me yesterday that perhaps Folds are one of the breeds that are a bit slower to mature. I knew Persians are as I bred Napoleon/Minuets prior and they could be pokey. I haven't heard of the Folds sexually maturing at a later age but fingers crossed that I can find some information pertaining to it, or perhaps another breeder of Folds or BSH/BLH will stumble along and tell me to cool my jets.

My queen will be allowed to stay with him now so they can adjust to each other and hopefully down the line my boy will realize she won't murder him and my queen... won't want to murder him. Oh boy!

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Yeah.  I remember when our oldest resident was a young virgin stud, and was visited by a quite uninterested wife...  Oh, so he courted!   He was too young to know what he should do, but he knew he was supposed to do something....  Oh, so he courted!   I never knew there were so many sounds in this little body.   He did also everything imaginable save rape her.  But she was uninterested....

But next time, next time, on her next heat and next visit, she knew him, she knew he was an OK and friendly young man.  so she let him near.  And he found courage, and mounted her...   And afterwards they were pals.

The breeder of our boy had the reverse experiences, as she gladely used new studs visiting her queen...  And as they were inexperienced, it took a couple of days before they dared anything...

So, I agree, if you arent in hurry, let it take time.  Let them be pals, let them be streesssfree, and count it will get better next time, on next heat.

If they arent really hostile at each others, they will overcome this with time.

(observe, some hostilities may belong to the courting play - but you would surely recognize it if it was so).

I'd be less concerned if Ivan would try to flirt but darn that boy he shows no interest at all! My queen Sophie was standing four feet away from him today just howling and presenting and rubbing on everything and he simply stared at her. He made no chirps back her way, no attempt to approach her, nothing. If she's close to him he still hisses at her. It seems he just generally loathes her. Or doesn't have any idea that perhaps this behavior should perk his interest! I've contacted his breeder to see if she can advise me at what age the males in his pedigree generally begin to breed so maybe that can give me some insight. If only he would court! Maybe he'll be one of those boys that I have to wait until 2 or more years of age. I hope not, but that would be better than never at all!
 

Interested to see how things went?