URGENTY need help with my 4-month kitten.

raffaellothecat · Jul 29, 2015

Good news!

I took him to his 4th vet and I'm so relieved about this one. He did a full check up and turns out he's also got ear mites. =( he did a proper cleaning and gave ear drops. A lot of grey dusty weird kind of buildup came out! This treatment will continue every 5 days so I will be going back until then.

But the best news was that I was able to finally find Lyme Sulfur! Here's how it looks. Anyone have any experience using this? Did I get the right thing?

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raffaellothecat
Jul 29, 2015

raffaellothecat · Jul 29, 2015

nessakhoo said:
Good god. Why did you even let him take your kitty back. His litter could be even more sick than yours. (sorry anger at him not you.) is everything clearing up? Do you need a second opinion for vet just to make sure everything is OK? Or you trust your current?

Oh, no! This was before his conditioned worsened. I only sent him back for a week at the instance of the breeder who claimed I wasn't giving him proper baths and that was why he was "stained". I was in touch the entire time and thought maybe I wasn't able to bathe him correctly. I absolutely realized my mistake and now I know how foolish that was. He could have done God knows what to him just to make him look healthy and his internal issues would go unresolved. I was desperate and I got the bald patch around this time so my anxiety was through the roof when I gave him back for 5-8 days.

But I do want to add again that I would NEVER send him back or give him away for a reason like ringworm, despite it getting to me and all. I'm sure a lot of you can relate to that. =(

raffaellothecat · Jul 29, 2015

mrsgreenjeens said:
I'm guessing that until you can get the dip and oral medication, (or change what you were doing before) it's not going to get any better, as it hasn't gotten better in the past.

I'd try to be quick about picking up the dip you were able to locate and get him started on it. How about the Colloidal Silver? Did you locate some of that?

Please try not to resent him...I know in heart you love him, but it's hard to go thru something like this...it's definitely a LOT of work keeping up with ringworm . But the thing is, YOU could have brought it into the house on your shoe...it could have come from anywhere, really.

Please check my reply above. I didn't give him back to give him away, it was meant to be for a few days because back then I didn't know what to do and because his RW wasn't this severe. I mentioned the circumstances above.

raffaellothecat · Jul 29, 2015

StephenQ said:
If you can afford it, and if your vet has a ringworm isolation room, you could consider boarding him for treatment until its cleared up....

Option 2, you create a RW Iso unit in your home. A room that you don't need to use for other purposes, with a fan in the window pointing out, so it creates negative air flow into the room, and ideally a room with running water. Ideally it will have a hard floor that you can mop with the diluted bleach solution i will describe below.

By a box of latex gloves, and an apron that is either washable, or better yet made of plastic so you can disinfect it. Get spray bottles and fill them with 1 part bleach, 9 parts water.

Keep him in this room until its all gone. Bath him in the dip in the sink if you have a room you can use that has a sink, alternatively, buy a plastic tub like for washing a baby. Do the lyme dips in there. When you're done in the room, whether its for feeding, cleaning the litter, or washing him or playing, remove gloves, remove apron. You can spray the apron if its plastic with the bleach solution and let it air dry - 10 minutes is required to kill the RW. Keep a covered trash can with plastic bags in the room and dump all trash and used gloves in the room.

Also you either need shoe covers (rubber or plastic for disinfecting), or a large supply of socks you don't care about. If socks, put them on before entering the room, and as you leave take them off in such a way that you can step out of the room with clean feet not touching the RW Iso room floor, then drop socks in a covered trash can for washing later, with bleach. If plastic shoe covers, spray with bleach upon exiting, and as you remove them let them air dry in a bucket just outside the room.

If you can bleach the floor you need to keep the cat out of contact with it until A) the floor is dry from the bleach and b) after you damp mop the floor with water to remove residual bleach. Basically this means you could put him in a carrier during this process, and you will need two mops, and two mop buckets, one for the bleach, one for the rinse.

Always a 1 to 9 bleach to water ratio. If you do the above, clean the rest of your home so it can become RW free. All of this is work, but once you're in the groove of it, not so difficult.

Thank you so much for your helpful response! I did create a quarantine room (it's more like a big 5 ft x 6 ft storage room with nothing in it.) I installed an exhaust fan in it to keep the circulation going but it's not attached to a window and instead goes into the roof. And because it's quite hot and humid here in Lahore, I couldn't bear to keep him there. =( Could this stay contained now that I have the dip to give him? Also we moved him into a smaller guest house we have in the backyard. It's with lots of windows so it gets sun and since it's not too big he's comfortable lounging there even when left alone at night. It has a sink outside the house so it's perfect for baths that keep the spores out.

Does that sound okay?

stephenq · Jul 29, 2015

RaffaelloTheCat said:
Good news!

I took him to his 4th vet and I'm so relieved about this one. He did a full check up and turns out he's also got ear mites. =( he did a proper cleaning and gave ear drops. A lot of grey dusty weird kind of buildup came out! This treatment will continue every 5 days so I will be going back until then.

But the best news was that I was able to finally find Lyme Sulfur! Here's how it looks. Anyone have any experience using this? Did I get the right thing?

Your welcome! It looks like the right stuff, make sure you follow the directions and correct dilution. It will stain him temporarily, and it will smell like rotten eggs. You will want long plastic gloves like for doing dishes and a good water proof apron. The quarantine house sounds good. Even while he is in treatment he is contagious until its resolved. Oh and the outdoor sink sounds perfect!

crimmie · Jul 29, 2015

You are on the right track, I can feel it! :clap:

Sending more RW destroying vibes :vibes:

feralvr · Jul 29, 2015

OH good grief - poor little guy as, yes, it does look worse and I am sorry you are now infected. :sigh:

VERY happy that you got in to see another vet and have the proper dip. Could you also ask for the oral medication? I really think this little guy needs it at this point. Not sure if the dip will sufficiently and quickly eradicate the fungus without oral intervention BUT I could be wrong. Might you ring the vet you saw and ask?

We totally understand your frustration, concern and dismay over this situation. :alright:

argh - this breeder... I can only imagine the other kittens as I am certain they have it too. :shame:

Truckloads of vibes coming your way and I think of you often and hope for a speedy and quick recovery. Please keep us posted and updated as we are here to support you through this nightmare case of RW. YOU and Raffaello WILL WIN this battle. :nod: :vibes:

p.s. May I make a suggestion - please, if you can, remove that collar?? I enlarged the second picture you posted above and it just jumped out at me. It is quite large and heavy looking and I am sure it may be rubbing his skin and especially if there are lesions in that area. He will be more comfortable without it on during his recover, dips, and confinement. Wash the collar in the washing machine.

nessakhoo · Jul 29, 2015

RaffaelloTheCat said:
Oh, no! This was before his conditioned worsened. I only sent him back for a week at the instance of the breeder who claimed I wasn't giving him proper baths and that was why he was "stained". I was in touch the entire time and thought maybe I wasn't able to bathe him correctly. I absolutely realized my mistake and now I know how foolish that was. He could have done God knows what to him just to make him look healthy and his internal issues would go unresolved. I was desperate and I got the bald patch around this time so my anxiety was through the roof when I gave him back for 5-8 days.

But I do want to add again that I would NEVER send him back or give him away for a reason like ringworm, despite it getting to me and all. I'm sure a lot of you can relate to that. =(

sending healing vibes ! come on You can do it , encourage raffaello

dont forget to sing or something !

raffaellothecat · Jul 29, 2015

Thank you SO much to all of you. Posting here was the best thing I ever did and I'm literally tearing up because I've never feel like anyone else understood me like many of you guys do. It's been a struggle because I'm the first person in my family to ever have a pet so they don't understand all the vet visits and medical costs and overall frustration I have to go through to get my little guy feeling better. =( thank you all so much for being so amazing and caring. Hugs to all of you!

raffaellothecat · Jul 29, 2015

Feralvr said:
OH good grief - poor little guy as, yes, it does look worse and I am sorry you are now infected. VERY happy that you got in to see another vet and have the proper dip. Could you also ask for the oral medication? I really think this little guy needs it at this point. Not sure if the dip will sufficiently and quickly eradicate the fungus without oral intervention BUT I could be wrong. Might you ring the vet you saw and ask?

We totally understand your frustration, concern and dismay over this situation. argh - this breeder... I can only imagine the other kittens as I am certain they have it too. :shame:

Truckloads of vibes coming your way and I think of you often and hope for a speedy and quick recovery. Please keep us posted and updated as we are here to support you through this nightmare case of RW. YOU and Raffaello WILL WIN this battle. :nod:

p.s. May I make a suggestion - please, if you can, remove that collar?? I enlarged the second picture you posted above and it just jumped out at me. It is quite large and heavy looking and I am sure it may be rubbing his skin and especially if there are lesions in that area. He will be more comfortable without it on during his recover, dips, and confinement. Wash the collar in the washing machine.

Thank you so much! The day I took the photos was the first day with his collar. He sometimes like to hide and because the cuddles have decreased due to minimizing contact =( I think he's not so attached to me as he once was and that's why he often doesn't come to greet me when I visit him unless I tap his bowls and he knows in about to feed him. So I thought the collar with a bell would be helpful. I initially thought I should keep it slightly loose so it won't bother him but then I tightened it up a bit since its adjustable. But last night the vet removed it and said to keep it off and I haven't put it back on since. Will def. keep it off until he's cleared up.

OH! I totally forgot to mention oral medication. That was the first thing I asked the vet. He said that Itraconazole oral solution wasn't available in Pakistan and only tablets that come in 100mg were which were too much even if broken down. He said he could make me an oral solution using the tablets but my best bet would be to use the shampoo he gave because he felt that oral medication might affect his liver. The shampoo he gave is one he formulated himself and said he's cured 95% of his ringworm patients with it. It's an anti fungal shampoo that I have to use every alternate day and the Lyme sulfur every 4th day. He said to stop using the Davis shampoo because he'd used it himself and found it ineffective (as did I) so I'm going to give this a try and see how it goes. BUT I will call up my expat friends living in Saudi Arabia and ask if they can check if itraconazole oral solution is available there. The vet said its available in that region and my best bet would be to ask if someone could bring it if I was determined to use oral medication but he said because it's formulated for children it's based in a very sugary syrup that is also not good for the cat long-term.

What do you guys think? Overall I'm so satisfied with this vet. He was so sweet and gentle (the others were too but you could just tell he loved animals!) and he validated all the research I had done. He even asked at one point if I was in med school (I'm 24), and I told him it's all from the extensive research I've been doing, lol!

feralvr · Jul 30, 2015

RaffaelloTheCat said:
Thank you so much! The day I took the photos was the first day with his collar. He sometimes like to hide and because the cuddles have decreased due to minimizing contact =( I think he's not so attached to me as he once was and that's why he often doesn't come to greet me when I visit him unless I tap his bowls and he knows in about to feed him. So I thought the collar with a bell would be helpful. I initially thought I should keep it slightly loose so it won't bother him but then I tightened it up a bit since its adjustable. But last night the vet removed it and said to keep it off and I haven't put it back on since. Will def. keep it off until he's cleared up.

OH! I totally forgot to mention oral medication. That was the first thing I asked the vet. He said that Itraconazole oral solution wasn't available in Pakistan and only tablets that come in 100mg were which were too much even if broken down. He said he could make me an oral solution using the tablets but my best bet would be to use the shampoo he gave because he felt that oral medication might affect his liver. The shampoo he gave is one he formulated himself and said he's cured 95% of his ringworm patients with it. It's an anti fungal shampoo that I have to use every alternate day and the Lyme sulfur every 4th day. He said to stop using the Davis shampoo because he'd used it himself and found it ineffective (as did I) so I'm going to give this a try and see how it goes. BUT I will call up my expat friends living in Saudi Arabia and ask if they can check if itraconazole oral solution is available there. The vet said its available in that region and my best bet would be to ask if someone could bring it if I was determined to use oral medication but he said because it's formulated for children it's based in a very sugary syrup that is also not good for the cat long-term.

What do you guys think? Overall I'm so satisfied with this vet. He was so sweet and gentle (the others were too but you could just tell he loved animals!) and he validated all the research I had done. He even asked at one point if I was in med school (I'm 24), and I told him it's all from the extensive research I've been doing, lol!

Glad that the collar is off. :nod: It was a bit too loose as well and sometimes the kittens can get their mouths caught on the collar. I had a kitten do that and I was not home for a couple of hours. The poor things mouth was really sore for a couple of days.

I used oral medication on my two foster kittens and since it is only short term - I was not worried about the liver issue. To me, when the case of RW is so very extreme and causing them great discomfort then I prefer to go more aggressively to fight off the fungus. BUT - in your area - you may not be able to get a hold of some oral medication locally unless your friend can send you some from Saudia Arabia, then stick with that shampoo.

What about the Colloidal Silver - here is the one I use and the link again I wonder if you could get any of that in your area??. 500 PPM - use full strength. It would be good for his face and nose - very safe. Apply four times per day to start.

The vet sounds very good to me. Your little Rafaello is on my mind and I am wishing for a speedy recovery for him. Try to love on him a little extra right now. He is probably scared and need to be close to you. You could even have him shaved down again to get rid of the growing hair and it will help him dry quicker after the dips too. Bless you for doing you best for him. He is really, REALLY ADORABLE !!!!!

raffaellothecat · Jul 31, 2015

^ Thank you so much! I will check about the Colloidal Silver and see if I can find it here. Can you tell me how you used it?

Also, has anyone used Lyme Sulfur that was at a 97.8% concentration? How can I dilute it safely for my kitten who weighs 2.9lb. It seems really tiny but he said Raffaello was at a good weight for his frame and that in terms of health internally everything looked good. Phew!

Any tips on the dilution for the Lyme sulfur? I don't want it to be too strong. Also can I save the solution for the 2nd dip (I need to dip him twice a week) or will I have to make a new solution for every dip?

stephenq · Jul 31, 2015

RaffaelloTheCat said:

I saw a post of yours asking about dilution ratios for lynme sulfer dip and now i can't find it, but a) does the bottle not say <?> and b) this page has info https://www.giveshelter.org/dermatophyte-treatment-in-a-nutshell.html

but i would discuss with your vet first, he should know the ratio. The site also talks about Itraconazole as a safe drug to use if you can find the right version of it which i realize may be a problem for you. If the vet can crush the pills and make a liquid for you that would be a bonus.

feralvr · Jul 31, 2015

RaffaelloTheCat said:
^ Thank you so much! I will check about the Colloidal Silver and see if I can find it here. Can you tell me how you used it?

You use it full strength. It is a yellow/brown color and will stain the skin a bit but who cares, right?? :lol2:

Most importantly - it works to kill RW if you apply it directly to the lesions. Of course, in Rafaello's severe case - it is harder to use because he has so many large spots and lesions. But you could certainly use it if you can get it. It would be perfectly safe and OK to use along with the lyme dip too. You would use it four times per day on the lesions. It has a dropper - most bottles anyway - and purchase the 500 PPM solution. Colloidal Silver has many other benefits too as is great to have on hand for pets and for people. It will work for your spots too. It is also an excellent wound care and healer.

gesseppe · Jul 31, 2015

hi, Nizoral A-D with 1% Ketoconazole is a great shampoo for allergies and flaky skin...

I have used this on my cats that have gotten a rash , skin dried and flaking off... Ringworm or allergies??

Either way, I take 4-5 drops into another bottle and fill it with 1 cup warm water and shake to a lather. Apply on kitty when tub bathing or however you bath your baby... Let soak in for 10-15 minutes and gently rinse off, and rinse again with luke warm water... a little in the eyes isn't to bad, but still try to avoid that... Make sure you get the ears good inside and out and know that this shampoo was designed for bacteria's.. and ringworm is a bacteria... bacterial Parasites in general...

I have a couple feral kittens and have done this just recently.. and it works... once a day for 3-5 days... it is easy to the skin if you 4-5 drops in a separate bottle with 1 cup water, shake to a foams consistency and lather away..

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oh, and for those bad sores.. I use triple antibiotic + pain relief... rub in gently... works on getting those wounds healed...

good luck with your baby..

Gesseppe

Lake Geneva Wisconsin

raffaellothecat · Aug 2, 2015

^^^Thank you all so much!

I am about to give him his first ever Lyme Sulfur "dip" and I a doing all the research I can to make sure I have the correct dilution. I put dip in quotations because I have decided I will use the spray bottle method instead. I can put him in his bath tub and with someone helping to hold him down I will spray him all over his body and carefully around his head to make sure he's coated in the stuff. The only thing I am concerned about is him licking it off. =( I dont have a collar that I can use so I am thinking I'll keep him out and pat him dry after 5 min?

The dilution was a bit tricky but the bottle recommends using 4 oz (1/2 cup) into a gallon of water (16 cups)

My spray bottle holds about 16oz water and I measured it out and it's a generous amount of solution for his size. SO, it comes down to:

16 oz = 0.0626 oz lyme sulfur, which is =

2 cups of water = 1 tbs of Lyme Sulfur

If I feel like he's not coated enough I will add another cup of water and put in 1/2 tbs of lyme sulfur.

Will let you know how it goes! I also asked my friends to check for Sporanox so I will know in a few days. Just really excited to finally have at least one sure-shot solution on hand, the lyme sulfur! Hopefully it works its magic.

stephenq · Aug 2, 2015

RaffaelloTheCat said:

I think you will discover that he is unlikely to lick it off. Standard practice is to let them air dry.....

raffaellothecat · Aug 2, 2015

StephenQ said:
I think you will discover that he is unlikely to lick it off. Standard practice is to let them air dry.....

I noticed that, too!

raffaellothecat · Aug 3, 2015

Can you guys tell me how far to space out baths and dips? He needs a bath every other day and dips twice but they clash days and I'm not sure if I should shampoo his dips out the next day.

Any tips?

stephenq · Aug 3, 2015

RaffaelloTheCat said:
^^^Thank you all so much!

I am about to give him his first ever Lyme Sulfur "dip" and I a doing all the research I can to make sure I have the correct dilution. I put dip in quotations because I have decided I will use the spray bottle method instead. I can put him in his bath tub and with someone helping to hold him down I will spray him all over his body and carefully around his head to make sure he's coated in the stuff. The only thing I am concerned about is him licking it off. =( I dont have a collar that I can use so I am thinking I'll keep him out and pat him dry after 5 min?

The dilution was a bit tricky but the bottle recommends using 4 oz (1/2 cup) into a gallon of water (16 cups)

My spray bottle holds about 16oz water and I measured it out and it's a generous amount of solution for his size. SO, it comes down to:

16 oz = 0.0626 oz lyme sulfur, which is =

2 cups of water = 1 tbs of Lyme Sulfur

If I feel like he's not coated enough I will add another cup of water and put in 1/2 tbs of lyme sulfur.

Will let you know how it goes! I also asked my friends to check for Sporanox so I will know in a few days. Just really excited to finally have at least one sure-shot solution on hand, the lyme sulfur! Hopefully it works its magic.

RaffaelloTheCat said:
Can you guys tell me how far to space out baths and dips? He needs a bath every other day and dips twice but they clash days and I'm not sure if I should shampoo his dips out the next day.

Any tips?

Honestly i'm not sure but in either case i'd let him fully dry before a new treatment and i would probably want the lyme to be the 2nd treatment

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