35 days old already separated from her mother issues

the vet is a good idea.  If it is caused by the fall, it may be swelling in the brain and can be treated if caught early enough.

I don't think 17 years of experience is helping any.  What kind of experience?  Make sure you don't go to the vet he uses.

give us an update after the vet.  Or sooner if you have questions.

will do. thanks for all the info. i will send you an update. and not using his vet. didn't plan to do so 3 days ago, when i googled 3 vets all turned out to be a shutdown business that is still in google. i could have called him then, but i didn't ask for his vet. going to go to one across town that is fully equipped, and he considers extremely expensive, because their vets are highly qualified, and he thinks it's a waste, lol. 

yeah. i def didn't take his exp for granted, he offered to do their vaccines at 3 months for 25% of the price. something i didn't even consider in my worst shape. so don't worry, i am not that stupid

Hello all,

so i took all my kittens to the vet. including the one i picked up from the same breeder yesterday. 

i'll start with the minor issues the big one had.

age given by breeder is inaccurate, he could be a month older than what i thought he is 2.5 months. but who cares, right! breed is not british, he is a mix between british and something else. but again, don't care really. 

he has the following: 

1- Ear mites, all kittens must go through the ear drop to eradicate the mites and any adults that managed to jump to another kitten (5 days use, 5 days off)

2- fungus on his heads, two spots, nothing visible on his body, but treatment will start. i was given a cream , and a shampoo. all kittens in the house must go through the twice a week shampoo. it's a medical one. can't share its name because they forgot to put it in the bag, i have to go back to them and pick it up.

3- Eye infection, she told me, pray that his tear ducts are not permanently damaged, or else we will face minor eye issues once in a while forever,  i got an eye drop for it.

New kitten (let's call him middle, since he is medium in size although younger than the little one) is healthy, no issues. i did buy him for being a Persian, but he is a mix, don't care, love him, money gone to a crook. lovely kitten joins the family. good news is, pure breads tend to get more illnesses and allergies, apparently mix breeds are better health wise, so. yay.

now here is the bomb

1- the fall was not realy discussed much, because he regained all his motor functions today and is back to himself again. whatever that was.

2- as soon as the check up started, she stuck the thermometer and said wow, i need to keep him here for a few days. he has FIA. based on his teeth size, he is indeed around 6-8 weeks, however he is the size of a new born. FIA attacks red blood cells. he is barely growing. he should be larger than the one we picked up yesterday. i will be paying 30$ a day keeping him with them. they started him on a pill (ehrlic pet 50mg).  they also recommended i give the same pills to the other kittens, because FIA is contagious, so the others get it as preventive measures. the vet informed me that she cannot promise he would survive. the indication was his extreme cold temperature, and thick dark yellow urine. he is now under a warm light and observation. they will update me daily. they prepped me about extra cost in case he vomits or has diarrhea she would put him on a drop. 

as much as i find the vet very good, professional and knowledgeable. i need to give you a heads up, don't know about Dubai, but in this region, if a human being goes to a hospital for something, there is always a chance he is put on so many useless tests to make money off of him, when he is paying cash. so. does everything above make sense? or do you think i can handle FIA at home. i care about him soooooo much, but i also don't like to get ripped off on hospitalization.

so far, i paid around 250$ for today, plus the daily charges. not complaining, just giving you an indication on what goes on here.

i really hope i hear good news tomorrow. i am super worried. i haven't slept since i posted about the fall last night. it's 3 pm now, it was 2 am when it happened. 

I am glad you went to the vet.  That's a lot of stuff they found, but considering the breeder you got your cats from it's not surprising.

Nothing seems excessive.  I'm not sure of the currency differences, we are in the states, but vets are expensive everywhere.  I paid $1,300.00 for my kittens for blood work, an overnight stay w/an IV drop and everything that goes with it.

I don't know about taking care of the FIA kitten at home, however your other kittens are young and this is a very contagious disease.  I wouldn't want to risk the others getting it.  I also fear the vet doesn't think the kitten will make it.  Have you googled FIA.  There may even be some articles on this sight regard it and taking care of kittens that have  it.

What couse of treatment does the vet plan to follow for the one he is keeping?

The dark yellow urine is indicative of dehydration. The kitten needs lots of fluids - probably sub-q and orally - and a three-week course of antibiotics. It is possible to save him if this is indeed what he has and he is not too far gone.

How did the vet make the diagnosis? With bloodwork under a microscope?

sarthur2 said:

What couse of treatment does the vet plan to follow for the one he is keeping?

The dark yellow urine is indicative of dehydration. The kitten needs lots of fluids - probably sub-q and orally - and a three-week course of antibiotics. It is possible to save him if this is indeed what he has and he is not too far gone.

How did the vet make the diagnosis? With bloodwork under a microscope?

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the treatment is the pills i mentioned earlier for FIA, Ehrlic pets 50 mg (scientific name is doxiciclina 50mg). no IV planned yet unless worsened. 

I did read online that dark urine is dehydration which is an FIA symptom. 

no microscope used. it was all the signs. a kitten 25% of the size she was supposed to be, dark urine. what started the alarm was the dangerously low temperature. although i read online the fever is a symptom, not low temp.

 "Clinical signs of anaemia include tiredness, lethargy, weakness, a reduced appetite, and pale gums (pallor). Weight loss can occur and some cats show increased respiratory (breathing) rate and an increased heart rate."

the little one had pretty much all those

about taking him home. it's no longer an option, it turns out FIA moves around through fleas and mites. since my old kitten had ear mites, we have something in the house to spread FIA, not risking it. i am still hoping his mites never carried FIA, unfortunately, we were so taken with the FIA discussion, we didn't check for ear mites on the little one. if he has it, then there is a possibility it gave it to the big boy and he has FIA already. it's all about luck for now. he is however on FIA.

what saddens me is, the little one will always be a carrier of FIA, under stress, the infection will trigger. i also need to make sure my house is always feline flea and mites free. otherwise the others will pick it up from the small one, even if he is cured

You have done your research well!

Have you checked on the little one to get a report?

I hope he pulls through and you can bring him home soon. Poor baby!

Most people treat their pets monthly for fleas.  For one of my cats I use Revolution which kills fleas, flea eggs,  prevents heartworm disease, treats and controls ear mites and intestinal hookworm.  I get this through my vet.  My other cat gets Advantage II because Revolution made her itchy.  It only kills fleas and flea eggs and I get that at the pet store.

Yes, and all can be treated at home for the ear mites as well. Once the fleas are eradicated, if the cats remain indoors there should rarely be a flea.

Well. good news. vet told me he is doing better and can go home. unfortunately. i called them 30 minutes before closing time and they will be closed for 4 days for holidays.

being a cheapskate, i asked them to wait for me to pick him up to save on money (100$ hospitalization) and because i miss him already. they said they can't wait. i'll be picking him up on monday

super happy he is recovering.

i called the breeder and told him about FIA and how he need to get all his cats checked up. he kept talking about vets ripping me off and that his cats are fine. and that mine was tiny because their mother is tiny. the sad part, he grooms his carts. i saw the body of one of his long hair adult cats groomed. he was very skinny and most probably have FIA, but the moron doesn't want to acknowledge it. i told him about ear mites, he said that thing doesn't exist . i feel so sad for the cats in his house. but Ce la vie.

So happy to hear he is fine and will be home soon.  How are the others doing?

Ugh, another sad cat owner/breeder story. Those poor cats. I'll bet that fellow knows full well that you are telling the truth, but either does not have or does not want to spend money at the vet, or simply believes his own ways are better. I'm glad you let him know though.

Funny they called you so close to closing time, but I am glad to hear that your little guy is on the mend. I'm sure he will be happy to get home again!

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Ugh, another sad cat owner/breeder story. Those poor cats. I'll bet that fellow knows full well that you are telling the truth, but either does not have or does not want to spend money at the vet, or simply believes his own ways are better. I'm glad you let him know though.

Funny they called you so close to closing time, but I am glad to hear that your little guy is on the mend. I'm sure he will be happy to get home again!

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oh no, i asked her to wait for me to pick them up. and decided to go with the money discussion since after all it's a business, missing him would not have been a good excuse. they informed me they won't be charging me for the 4 days. however i am still sad he will stay there for 4 days. for health reason he is kept in a cage . a good sized one, but not a home where he can jump around and feel loved.

i must say however, a very good clinic. very well equipped. and good vet and staff. i found a pet store at about 50 km away that only deal with them because of their rep. 

Others are doing great. healthy. the big dude is getting all the treatment he needs for ear mites and eye infection. his eyes are already cleaner. they are all getting their daily FIA pill just in case. 

the big one started shedding hair which is normal. what's the best way to minimize or prevent it from covering all my couches? and how can i get him to scratch the scratch pole instead of my couches and bed back board (the bed cost me over 4000$ and he already punctured the leather )

should i start a new thread if i have questions and need advise on how to deal with them or stick to this for good memories of their joining the family, any rules here?

next step is in a few weeks. vaccinations and a chip. 

how often should i take them for a general check up?

Some vaccinations need a booster in a few months like rabies.  the vet will let you know.  After that once a year for wellness and dental cleaning.

Hello Everyone. 

i picked up the little one from the vet. he was doing great for a few days. the vet informed me he had a bladder infection and gave me another med for him. no blood work was done on FIA, so he is still getting his FIA treatment

the vet said he had spots of blood in his urine which is why she started him on a new med. but told me that 2 days later , the was no blood spots, so he should be better, but i should keep giving him both FIA and bladder infection meds.

the problem with this vet, they are kinda pissing me off, that they don't have the follow up visit concept, can't check if the meds they put him on, are causing complications without charging me. when i picked him up, i brought the big one to ask her if it was normal how he lost hair at the fungus location due to the cream. just for asking her that question about the med she gave me, they charged me a consultation charge!!!. they also charged me a consultation charge on the kitten i was picking up from hospitalization!

so now, 3 days later which is today, we have a new issue, i noticed over the past 2 days that his tummy is large, bloated kinda, i thought it was normal at first, but today, it feels and looks bigger and he is vomiting often, his food and water , i did see him go to the litter and pass normal stool. so i don't know what's the vomiting is all about. i read a lot about vomiting, i read about bloated stomache, but i don't see enough info on a mix of two, with normal stool.  it could have been something he digested, but it has been 12 hours, he vomited twice 12 hours ago, and he just did it again. 2 hours ago, i saw a piece of stool stuck on his bum and found out there was along hair causing it to to stick to him, part of the hair was inside him, the other in the stool, so he couldn't get rid of it. would this hair cause all this mess, or do i need to go to the vet again.

your thoughts please

My cats pass my daughter's long hair all the time and there is no vomiting or bloating.  Did the vet test or treat for worms?

Do you have another vet in the area you could see who doesn't charge for follow-ups?  Charging when you ask questions regarding meds they have prescribed is wrong.

Handsome Kitty said:

 
My cats pass my daughter's long hair all the time and there is no vomiting or bloating.  Did the vet test or treat for worms?

Do you have another vet in the area you could see who doesn't charge for follow-ups?  Charging when you ask questions regarding meds they have prescribed is wrong.

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he did get a worms treatment yes. there are probably other vets in the area, but it's not easy to find capable ones. 

i do plan on going back to dispute those charges, especially that they right before i give them my card for payment, they verbally gave me the total for stuff i bought such as hair groomer, meds etc. i leave the counter to pick up a food bag, i hand them the card and find out when i arrive home that they added around 100$ on consultation etc, things they didn't mention verbally right before i paid. i also just noticed they charged me on hospitalization for the 14 of July twice, once on dropping him off, second time when i picked him up, lol. i am investing a lot for his wellbeing, but it doesn't mean i agree to being ripped off.

the owner of the clinic is on vacation, another shot if the current team insisted on these charges.

i have been reading around, only serious and fatal disease would take time and would show worse symptoms, i plan on waiting it out, i hope it was just the hair, or being thirsty for 10 hours because wife and kids didn't refill their water while i slept caused all this mess. 

i am also going to start portioning their food, in case he is picking up a gobbling habit.