Diarrhea..Unknown reason

mrsgreenjeens said:

Yes, hair is supposed to go out the backend, not the front.  Why would you think there is a blockage? 

As to how much an xray costs, you would have to check with the Vets in your area for that.  In my area, the cost varies from Vet to Vet, and varies VASTLY. 

Since you stopped feeding the food with gravies, and added in some pumpkin,  has the diarrhea improved yet? 

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How much pumpkin should I give him? So far I have given in 1tsp, 3 times. I checked when i got home and didnt see anything but pee clumps and formed stool. But we have multiples. So if anyone figures a way for cats to mark their poop. Lol You will be rich . I will have to watch the box tonight and see if i can catch him in one.

As far as the blockage. He has trouble with hairballs(coughing them up). Found more on the floor this morning. I found hairballs in the diarrhea. I read if the have a hairball or are constipated. They can have diarrhea, as the liquid comes out around the blockage. And its not alot. But small amounts. As he has.

Just one tablespoon with each meal.

RayvenStar101 said:

Just one tablespoon with each meal.

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Thanks that sounds like a lot. He gets fed 4 times aday. About 1.5 oz each feeding.

On a side not he was meowing at me tonight to eat. And boy did his breath smell. Isnt that usually an indication of illness? Does there breath smell more if they eat all wet food?

momof3b1g said:

How much pumpkin should I give him?

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The amount I have typically used is 1 teaspoon three times a day, for a total of 1 tablespoon daily.

momof3b1g said:

 How much pumpkin should I give him? So far I have given in 1tsp, 3 times. I checked when i got home and didnt see anything but pee clumps and formed stool. But we have multiples. So if anyone figures a way for cats to mark their poop. Lol You will be rich

. I will have to watch the box tonight and see if i can catch him in one.

As far as the blockage. He has trouble with hairballs(coughing them up). Found more on the floor this morning. I found hairballs in the diarrhea. I read if the have a hairball or are constipated. They can have diarrhea, as the liquid comes out around the blockage. And its not alot. But small amounts. As he has.

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That amount of pumpkin is about right. 

True, if they are constipated, they can have sort of diarrhea as the "liquid" comes around the hard stool. My old girl is prone to constipation,and sometimes there is a little "pudding" along with a very hard stool.   So... I would normally suggest using Egg Yolk Lecithin for the hairball issues, but since he's got such issues with his urinary tract and stones, I just don't know if it's a good idea or not.  Same with Slippery Elm Bark, which can also be used for hairballs.  Could you check with your Vet and see if either of those would be harmful to use if a cat is prone to stones.  I give my cats the Egg Yolk Lecithin daily (mixed into their food), and haven't seen a hairball all season, and this has been a bad hairball season (per posts here on TCS)

GoHolistic said:

 

momof3b1g said:

How much pumpkin should I give him?

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The amount I have typically used is 1 teaspoon three times a day, for a total of 1 tablespoon daily.

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Yes, this is the right amount from everything I've read.  3 teaspoons, NOT Tablespoons.

Sorry, I got that mixed up :-/ although it is working for my mothers, which might just be because they're feeding a lot of kittens
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I keep forgetting to give him more pumpkin today. I will give him some more at 11pm feeding. but he went to the litter box after dinner and is making larger puddles. But they have a little form/clump in them/ to them.  I didnt look to see if it had hairballs.  Mine was on this all night and wonder if he just isnt taking to an all wet diet. I first thought it was to much of the Science Diet c/d fish. if i remember correctly this has all started after putting him on an all wet diet. Is there some cats who can just not handle an all wet diet? I know he needs the extra fluid because of his past UTI. But this isnt good either. Im thinking of getting a bag of dry c/d to give him for at least one feeding. He is 13 pounds but on the thin side. He used to weigh 14 pounds. I am trying to feed him 1.5 oz, 4 times a day. but some feedings he doesnt eat it all. Two reasons i am thinking of getting some of the dry c/d. I just hate to think he will throw it up. he hasnt thrown up in 10 days. One good thing he has going for him.

Could he possibly have worms? Some worms cause diarrhea and vomiting. I'd think about worming him (again) if you haven't already.

RayvenStar101 said:

Could he possibly have worms? Some worms cause diarrhea and vomiting. I'd think about worming him (again) if you haven't already.

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he shouldnt. He was wormed when he was a kitten. 4 years ago. He is indoors 100%

@momof3b1g, I read through this thread more carefully. With my three seniors, even with dietary indiscretion they sometimes have a hard time bouncing back on their own. Their gut gets all out of whack and stopping the offending food doesn't always just solve the problem. I have had success with Slippery Elm Bark and Nutramax Proviable Kit for these situations.

Also, a note about the Natural Factors you are using. Was this also a recent addition? Or have you always given this? I ask because it is in a lactose base, and could possibly be a contributing factor to the diarrhea.

GoHolistic said:

 
@momof3b1g, I read through this thread more carefully. With my three seniors, even with dietary indiscretion they sometimes have a hard time bouncing back on their own. Their gut gets all out of whack and stopping the offending food doesn't always just solve the problem. I have had success with Slippery Elm Bark and Nutramax Proviable Kit for these situations.

Also, a note about the Natural Factors you are using. Was this also a recent addition? Or have you always given this? I ask because it is in a lactose base, and could possibly be a contributing factor to the diarrhea.

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The probiotic i did once and havent given it since. I used it in the past with our other cat. Whats the best thing in this situation, especially when i dont know what is actually causing it.

momof3b1g said:

 
The probiotic i did once and havent given it since. I used it in the past with our other cat. Whats the best thing in this situation, especially when i dont know what is actually causing it.

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Oh, okay. So you've determined it's Shy Guy who has the diarrhea, correct? How is he feeling otherwise? Eating and behaving normally? (Sorry if this is a repeat question.) Did you also say he was previously vomiting and lost a pound?! If he's not eating and behaving normally, then, honestly, the "best" thing to do is take him to the vet, IMO. It seems like he has a lot going on.

This all started a few days after you gave him the new c/d canned fish food, correct? Are you still feeding that food? Have you called and told the vet he developed diarrhea after starting the new c/d wet food? Have you tried giving him a bland food for a few days, such as plain turkey baby food?

I honestly don't know if Slippery Elm Bark syrup (www.littlebigcat.com/health/slippery-elm) would affect Shy Guy's urinary issues.     Your vet may carry the Proviable Kit (www.chewy.com/dog/nutramax-proviable-kp-dog-cat/dp/101466).

I know it's at least shy guy. I've been watching by the litter boxes to see who goes what. So far they peed and I can't catch anyone else pooping. Lol.
I did find to small soft poops. In the litter boxes this am. The odd thing is one was light yellowish and the other brown. Could they come from the same cat?

If shy Guy is ONLY eating one variety of th C/D, then his poop should be the same color

Sor some reason, I though you were still giving everyone pro-biotics and trying to work your way thru the period where the could cause diarrhea.  I thought it was you who I told in the beginning probiotics COULD cause digestive issues, but they should go away after a couple of days.  Is this the Natural Factors probiotic you have?    If so, it's made with Goats Milk vs Cows Milk, so shouldl be okay as far as lactose goes.  It's the one I use.

But i definitely agree with GoHolistic in that you May want to go with a different C/D flavor.  Sound like the fish isn't agreeing with Shy Guy. 

Kibble is drying, so usually if a cat is prone to diarrhea on canned food, people assume it's canned food causing it.  What it is is the kibble is simply drying them out and masking the real issue. There is no reason that I can think of that a cat cannot tolerate canned food other than an igredient within that food.  

I stopped the probiotics and backed the other cats off the extra feeding of canned food. There were so many changes going on. Shy guy stopped wanting to eat the c/d. So I was feeding him the friskies special diet.

So when, exactly, did the diarrhea start up?  Can you pinpoint it to one exact food?  If so, stop that food, if you can.  It's an issue with these cats that need special food, that's for sure.  GoHolistic knows about that!  But with Shy Guy's issues, he definitely needs special food.  Hills' isn't the only maker of RX food though.  If he doesn't like any of their vaarieties, maybe he would like Royal Canin?

It all started when he was put on an all wet diet. I first assumed it was from to much fish. Or the c/d. I bought the chicken flavor and he doesnt like it. So i started feeding him the friskies special diet, turkey and giblets. There is a span in there i thought i didnt find any soft stool. Then i gave him the other friskies. The one with gravy for 2 days. Im thinking thats when it started up again. I stopped giving him the friskies special diet to see if that helped and just giving him other canned food with a little extra water. I have added in some pumpkin but dont see that it is helping.
He had regular friskies today at 7am and pooped at 1pm. So it stayed in for 6 hours. How long is normal for a regular bowl movement?

If he's got a sensitive tummy, along with other issues, I would l suggest trying to find ONE food and sticking with it for awhile, if possible, just to see if you can get his diarrhea under control.  BUT, that one food needs to be one that is for stones, too, or you may find him in another world of trouble .   As to how long it takes for stool to develop, the food you gave him at 7 a.m. might not be what was what came out at 1 p.m....I'm guessing THAT food is still somewhere in his intestines working it's way down.  Honestly, I don't know, all I know intestines are long and food takes awhile to work it's way down.   That's why after an enema or  a thorough cleansing of the bowels, it takes a little while before stool forms again. 

BTW, sorry for all the typos in my posts earlier today especially....I'm on narcotics today for a migraine and didn't really proofread earlier (should have ) 

So its going on 10 hours and no bowl movement. He ate at 2pm and 6pm. So his diarrhea  isnt chronic.  Is there something that would cause it to be not frequent over something that would cause him to go all the time, uncontrollably etc? So im not sure what to expect next. He eats again at 11pm and will give him the same food he had at 2 and 6. 

momof3b1g said:

 
So its going on 10 hours and no bowl movement. He ate at 2pm and 6pm. So his diarrhea  isnt chronic.  Is there something that would cause it to be not frequent over something that would cause him to go all the time, uncontrollably etc? So im not sure what to expect next. He eats again at 11pm and will give him the same food he had at 2 and 6. 

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A "typical" cat will have a bowel movement about once a day.  If a cat has diarrhea it can be all over the board, and if it's caused from food, then I would imagine anytime he eats, then that would cause a bout of it.  And that could go on for hours.