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When our 1.5-yr old siamese cat was in heat 2 months ago, we put her in the same room as the same father of her first litter. After 2 days, we let her out of the room but not outside of our house. A few hours ago, she gave birth to her second litter. We were expecting that the kittens will look like the first ones but they didn't. Could she have mated with another cat before we locked her up?

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First litter
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Second litter
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She definitely could have been in heat prior to you noticing.  Especially, the experienced queens can be quite sneaky with us humans about their heat status.  I'll let the TCS genetics pros answer on the litter results. 
 
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Agree with Dandila.  The problem is, she being a Lynx point, ie being a tabby, should have at least one tabby kitten.  and in the first litter she got three blackies no?   Also, your male is prob a tabby too, althouhg not much visible...  So he TOO should have at least one tabby kitten.  Tabby is dominant.     Its theoretically possible with three blackies out of three kittens, no tabby, but its just barely.   Seeing witches flying around being sober  is the next step.

So, if any of these litters is" legitimate conceived in the marriage" its sooner the second litter...

The chance is quite big, none of them is entirely legitimate.    So to speak.   I suppose the postman is very handsome.   Not to mention the janitor.    :)

Luck you arent no pedigree purebred breeder, because such result would be rather disastrous to you, economically if nothing else.

For a "had a home family girl, let her have a litter or even two before spaying" - this is of course no big deal, as long as the kittens are healty.
 
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StefanZ said:
Agree with Dandila.  The problem is, she being a Lynx point, ie being a tabby, should have at least one tabby kitten.  and in the first litter she got three blackies no?   Also, your male is prob a tabby too, althouhg not much visible...  So he TOO should have at least one tabby kitten.  Tabby is dominant.     Its theoretically possible with three blackies out of three kittens, no tabby, but its just barely.   Seeing witches flying around being sober  is the next step.

So, if any of these litters is" legitimate conceived in the marriage" its sooner the second litter...

The chance is quite big, none of them is entirely legitimate.    So to speak.   I suppose the postman is very handsome.   Not to mention the janitor.    :)


Luck you arent no pedigree purebred breeder, because such result would be rather disastrous to you, economically if nothing else.

For a "had a home family girl, let her have a litter or even two before spaying" - this is of course no big deal, as long as the kittens are healty.
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In the first litter, two are torties and longhaired. If I recall correctly, the longhaired gene is recessive so both parents need to have them. Here's what they look like now. :)

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That top tortie almost looks like a Persian mix.  Very handsome.  Is the husband long haired?  Definitely tabby.  

Second litter is adorable.  I love their markings.

So...have any Persians roaming the hood?
 
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Dandila said:
That top tortie almost looks like a Persian mix.  Very handsome.  Is the husband long haired?  Definitely tabby.  

Second litter is adorable.  I love their markings.

So...have any Persians roaming the hood?
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Yes, the father is longhaired. :) His owner said he's a persian but not purebred.

There may be 2 or 3 stray cats in our area but I think they're not persians.
 
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It's been almost 20 hours since her 5th kitten came out. However, my mom swears that she might still have a kitten or two in her because her belly is still quite big. I've read some info about interrupted labor and I think this might be the case here. Also, my dad says that she saw the father on top of our cat when we kept them up in a room.

Just for added info: we kept them together until April 10 and our cat gave birth 62 days later, on June 11

If she still has unborn kittens in her, how many more days should I wait? She doesn't seem stressed at all and eats properly. She also takes care of her kittens very well.
 
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vipn said:
It's been almost 20 hours since her 5th kitten came out. However, my mom swears that she might still have a kitten or two in her because her belly is still quite big. I've read some info about interrupted labor and I think this might be the case here. Also, my dad says that she saw the father on top of our cat when we kept them up in a room.

Just for added info: we kept them together until April 10 and our cat gave birth 62 days later, on June 11

If she still has unborn kittens in her, how many more days should I wait? She doesn't seem stressed at all and eats properly. She also takes care of her kittens very well.
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A pregnancy of 62 days is not long, even in the lower segment of the entirely normal.   So a few days more shouldnt be any danger as such.

Her behavior sounds nice, and as long as you dont have any visible problems and everyting continue well, you "shouldnt" have problems waiting.

How good obstetrician is your vet?  Many vets arent really experienced in obstetrics - nor helping small weak kittens.   Its almost only vets cooperating much with breeders, and vets cooperating with rescue workers, who have such experience aplenty.

What I mean, if your vet is an experienced obstetrician, its of course wise to phone and discuss...

If he is a so so freetime practicioner, usually working as a slaghterouse vet,  or a big animal vet,   it is no big idea to phone and discuss the fine points...
 
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