UTI not getting better?

momof3b1g · Jun 7, 2015

Shy Guy is on 2nd round of Baytril. I had trouble giving him the anti-anxiety meds and the meds to relax the muscles. So he only got it on day one of the first round of baytril. So this time around he

has had baytril on the 3rd, 4th, Missed friday we were out of town, and saturday. He had the prazosin(anxiety) 3rd and 4th. And the Amitriptyline 4th and i gave it to him this morning.

I know he went to the bathroom(pee) late on Friday night. Havent caught him since so not sure last time. (we have multiples)

He hasnt been licking except I noticed quickly after peeing on Friday. That was until last night when we got home. he had been much calmer the past day. I hoped he was feeling better.

He seems more content today, before he would follow us around and cry for attention.

But I was cleaning the litter boxes and he came and and tried for awhile to go to the bathroom. But there was nothing there. No hollowing and he is licking again. Will the Amitriptyline help? or is he probably blocked again? The first time they said he had a plug, so they massaged his bladder and were able to get a sample.

momof3b1g · Jun 7, 2015

Poor thing threw up his lunch. There was hairballs in it. I usually dont give them food again til the next feeding. But i assumed it was the hairballs. I gave him a little food with a little water. well he couldnt keep that one down either.

Poor guy

nansiludie · Jun 7, 2015

I am worried, I think you might need to take him back to the Vet, they can palpate his bladder and set your mind at ease. I was wondering, what are you feeding him now? All the other meds seem on course as to what would be given. I am a bit leary of the Baytril but could you ask the Vet if they could give you Orbax instead as its a liquid, and I've found it easier to administer than pills.

Also is there any way you can separate him from the pack so you caan watch him extra carefully? Maybe a spare bedroom or bathroom?

momof3b1g · Jun 7, 2015

What is wrong with the Baytril? That one was never a problem. He took it just fine. The others I found out I wasnt giving it to him right. He was spitting it out. But now i can even give it to him myself. They have been on dry food(authority grain free) for awhile now(i add some water). I started giving them 1 feeding of wet food each day. last year. I have 7 and money is a problem for that many.

Since his UTI i now give them wet food twice and dry the other 2. I would like to give them more wet. But it adds up. I just went about bought a ton of wet food at petsmarts sale. But with 7 it wont last long

But i am wondering is there a way to know if he has crystals vs just a UTI? other then the vest testing? I dont know the results of the first time. Just he had a plug and a lot of blood in his urine. I am going to take him in in the morning. He was just going friday night. now today he cant go.

Also he threw up lunch today and I had given him his baytril like an hour before. How long would it take to get into his system? im worried it came out with the food. Meaning another day without it.

(ShyGuy is 4 years old)

mrsgreenjeens · Jun 7, 2015

If he's completely blocked, waiting until tomorrow could be deadly. Especially if the last time you KNOW he peed was on Friday. Blockages are nothing to mess around with. I know money is tight, and ER Vets are very expensive, but this really sounds like an emergency

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For Shy Guy, maybe HE could get all wet food, and the others get half and half, because if he's got these issues, sounds like he really needs either special prescription food, or all wet, depending on what kind of crystals he gets.

Oh yes, probably an hour was enough for the Baytril.

momof3b1g · Jun 7, 2015

Ok i tried to find his bladder.9any been able to feel it) I couldnt. He did go in the litter box and went a little, but not much.

mrsgreenjeens · Jun 7, 2015

If he's able to go any, then he's obviously not completely blocked, so that's not as emergent as it could be, thank goodness. But I would definitely get him in as soon as you can in the morning. or at least call the VET and talk about what's happening, especially the vomiting now

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nansiludie · Jun 7, 2015

I agree very much with MrsGreenJeens. I have 6 myself and know how pricey it can get feeding canned and fast. What I do is buy Walmart brand Special Kitty cat food that's the canned Turkey and Giblets pate, its in large 22oz cans for only $1 and I feed 6 cats easily with one can, so thats about 1 dollar a day, plus I have a FLUTD kitty myself. I am very glad that your kitty passed a little urine. Why I am not fond of Baytril is several reasons, one, a very rare side-effect is that it could cause blindness, secondly the tablets are large and thirdly, I do not like pilling cats too easy to get it stuck down the cats throat. I prefer liquids as it they are easier to hide and even easier to syringe down the kitty if needed. Orbax is a more potent antibiotic which is why I suggested it. I would strongly suggest that you don't try to feel his bladder yourself because if he was blocked and you did feel it, being streched full of urine, you could rupture it. Very, very bad if that happens. I am leaving a link to Dr. Piersons advice on pilling a cat, I follow her advice when I do have to pill a cat and so far its went well. http://www.catinfo.org/?link=pillingcats

She also lists the side effects of Baytril and others. Plus she has a lot of info about FLUTD cats.

momof3b1g · Jun 8, 2015

Well after breakfast this am. I was cleaning the litter boxes. Shy Guy came in and pee'd in the box. So happy. Gave him his first medicine. About 10:30 he got his 2nd medicine. Baytril was given just before 1pm. Lunch was just after 2pm. He threw up before finishing eating again. Just like yesterday. Not sure its the baytril or what. Will have to look at my notes. But I know the first time he was on baytril i made sure to give it to him about an hour or so before. and he was fine. He pukes more then any other cat. But has days/meals were he is fine. So i dont know why its causing it. Im just worried that he isnt getting enough of the baytril. Seeing he threw up. Im hoping it didnt come up with the food.

mrsgreenjeens · Jun 8, 2015

for the good pee! But the vomiting is still concerning. So you don't think he's vomiting more than usual? Even if he isn't, it's still concerning. Could be the food, probably IS, if it's not more than usual. We might need to try to tackle that as a separate issue. Does he have IBD, by chance? Has that ever been discussed? Have you addressed his vomiting issues with the Vet while discussing his crystal issues?

momof3b1g · Jun 8, 2015

mrsgreenjeens said:
for the good pee! But the vomiting is still concerning. So you don't think he's vomiting more than usual? Even if he isn't, it's still concerning. Could be the food, probably IS, if it's not more than usual. We might need to try to tackle that as a separate issue. Does he have IBD, by chance? Has that ever been discussed? Have you addressed his vomiting issues with the Vet while discussing his crystal issues?

I dont know about IBD. How often do they throw up, if they have that? He throws up occasionally. I used a book under his plate and i think it helped. I then stopped using it and he had been fine. i wonder if his stomach is upset from the meds. maybe I should give him a probiotic? This week its been 3 times. So ya more then usual. Buts its only been his lunch(2pm) feeding. He gets fed 3 times a day. I was giving him the baytril 45-60 minutes before. Some days were fine. A few he threw up. So not sure thats it.

mrsgreenjeens · Jun 8, 2015

momof3b1g said:
I dont know about IBD. How often do they throw up, if they have that? He throws up occasionally. I used a book under his plate and i think it helped. I then stopped using it and he had been fine. i wonder if his stomach is upset from the meds. maybe I should give him a probiotic? This week its been 3 times. So ya more then usual. Buts its only been his lunch(2pm) feeding. He gets fed 3 times a day. I was giving him the baytril 45-60 minutes before. Some days were fine. A few he threw up. So not sure thats it.

Cats with IBD don't necessarily throw up at all. Sometimes that have diarrhea instead. And there is no specifics to it as far as I know, meaning no specific number of times do they do anything. All I know is that it's definitely affected by what foods they eat.

Meds COULD cause it, definitely, but since it's only happening at lunchtime, that seems odd. Does he get another med at lunchtime too? If so, I would tend to blame that med. Yes, I would definitely be giving a probiotic anytime I give antibiotic, just not togther. Meaning if you give Batril at 8 a.m., 1 pm. and 8 p.m., then give the probiotic maybe at 11 a.m. and or 5 p.m. or something like that. But it's easiest to mix it with food, so try to work it around that, but just try to give it a couple of hours from giving the Baytril. Just as an FYI, I give my cats probiotics every single day, just to try to keep them gut flora "happy".

momof3b1g · Jun 8, 2015

mrsgreenjeens said:
Cats with IBD don't necessarily throw up at all. Sometimes that have diarrhea instead. And there is no specifics to it as far as I know, meaning no specific number of times do they do anything. All I know is that it's definitely affected by what foods they eat.

Meds COULD cause it, definitely, but since it's only happening at lunchtime, that seems odd. Does he get another med at lunchtime too? If so, I would tend to blame that med. Yes, I would definitely be giving a probiotic anytime I give antibiotic, just not togther. Meaning if you give Batril at 8 a.m., 1 pm. and 8 p.m., then give the probiotic maybe at 11 a.m. and or 5 p.m. or something like that. But it's easiest to mix it with food, so try to work it around that, but just try to give it a couple of hours from giving the Baytril. Just as an FYI, I give my cats probiotics every single day, just to try to keep them gut flora "happy".

Not at lunch time. But about and hour or so before lunch he gets Baytril. But hasnt thrown up every time. I think tomorrow i will wait til after lunch to give it to him. To see what happens, and if he still throws up. he gets the prazosin at about 10;30. Lunch is at 2pm.

Ok I pulled out my notes. Sunday May 31st. I fed them lunch, came back and someone had thrown up(4 had sheba beef, 2 had fancy feast). So not sure if it was Shy Guy. He then threw up Tuesday(2nd) after lunch(sheba turkey). then not until yesterday(7th) with the hairball(Nutro chunk chicken). and today(8th) at lunch with Fancy feast turkey and giblets

Oh and friday(5th) and saturday(6th) they had dry for lunch, as we were out of town my son came over saturday to feed them and his gf on friday. They got canned at night when we got home.

nansiludie · Jun 8, 2015

How many times a day does he get Baytril? When my cat was on it, he had half a tablet twice daily, total whole 1 tablet daily. Mine was quite a larger cat, about 14 or so pounds then.

momof3b1g · Jun 8, 2015

nansiludie said:
How many times a day does he get Baytril? When my cat was on it, he had half a tablet twice daily, total whole 1 tablet daily. Mine was quite a larger cat, about 14 or so pounds then.

One tablet, once a day.

nansiludie · Jun 8, 2015

Okay, could you call the Vet and ask if you could split his tablets in half and give him half in the morning and half in the evening?

achristine · Aug 11, 2016

Hey, could you please tell me what happened with your cats UTI? My cat was on Orbax and it seemed to help a little but didn't clear it. I'm going to the vet in 2 days (That is the soonest they can see me). They haven't given me baytril. He pees only large amounts all over the litter box like he can't control it. Doesn't cry but acts lethargic and I encourage him to eat. He does not throw up at all. I'm so scared and am in tears. Any thoughts?

mrsgreenjeens · Aug 12, 2016

achristine said:
Hey, could you please tell me what happened with your cats UTI? My cat was on Orbax and it seemed to help a little but didn't clear it. I'm going to the vet in 2 days (That is the soonest they can see me). They haven't given me baytril. He pees only large amounts all over the litter box like he can't control it. Doesn't cry but acts lethargic and I encourage him to eat. He does not throw up at all. I'm so scared and am in tears. Any thoughts?

This thread is over a year old, so you may not get any response. Besides peeing large amounts and acting lethargic, what is happening with your boy? It's good you have an appointment, but as long as he IS able to urinate, that's a good thing. If he couldn't, then it would be life threatening.

Was he on Orbax before because of a UTI?, and if it didn't clear it up, was no further treatment done? Is tha why the follow=up visit? Sorry to be asking so many questions, but just trying to get more of a picture here. It might be best if you started up your own thread and gave us some details here if you have some specific questions.

achristine · Aug 12, 2016

mrsgreenjeens said:
This thread is over a year old, so you may not get any response. Besides peeing large amounts and acting lethargic, what is happening with your boy? It's good you have an appointment, but as long as he IS able to urinate, that's a good thing. If he couldn't, then it would be life threatening.

Was he on Orbax before because of a UTI?, and if it didn't clear it up, was no further treatment done? Is tha why the follow=up visit? Sorry to be asking so many questions, but just trying to get more of a picture here. It might be best if you started up your own thread and gave us some details here if you have some specific questions.
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Thanks for your response. No follow up visit was ever recommended. They gave me orbax because I go to a group practice and one vet said he could see bacteria in his urinalysis and then the other said it was probably just inflammation. ? He started crying while he peed one night and we took him to an emergency clinic. The emergency clinic didn't see any bacteria in his urine either but the pH was as a 7.0 and there were white blood cells present. This all started when he had a vascular growth appear on his head near his right eye. I took him to the vet and 3 days later he had a UTI. So no antibiotics until a week later when he was showing little improvement with the anti spasmodics and pain Meds. So now he still only pees once every 24 hours (he never went back and forth to the litter) and he sits hunched, has labored breathing, and hi pupils are dilated constantly. I'm so worried it's something more serious and this vet is acting like it is only cystitis. So I'm going to the vet tomorrow and I'm making them so a culture and sensitivity and possibly take some blood.

mrsgreenjeens · Aug 13, 2016

The constantly dilated pupils are something to take very seriously. Have you had your Vet visit yet? It's today, right? I'm now very curious as to what's up, because pupils usually don't have anything to do with urinary, issues.

He's still on the Prozac, right? (I looked at your other thread to see if you'd started up a new thread on THIS topic). So his stress level should be decreasing, which should help with all his urinary issues.

Please keep us posted after you see the Vet. (he made need his blood pressure checked for those pupils)

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