This is my first post so not so sure how this works. I found a 3 week old kitten abandoned at the laundry mat so I took her home and named her cruella. Now my problem is I have a 3 year old male named donut who has never been around another cat his whole life, he only knows my boy dog joc. I don't know how to raise kittens my boyfriend raised donut before I ever dated him, but im doing my best and for her age she's very independent she knows to use the litter box, she can eat without a bottle ( she makes a mess but she can do it) so I wasn't very concerned because donut just avoided her and joc took over the parent role. however now donut has taken interest in her, he plays and cleans her, try's to show her how to bury her poop, etc.. he's obsessed with being around her 24/7 he gets really upset when she gets put in the cage. starting yesterday he has been pinning her down by the back of the neck and holding her down like that but I think it hurts her because she starts screaming and it seems like he has her gripped to tight. so I smack my hands together and he knows that means he's in trouble so he'll run but I don't know if that's normal? also I know its a mating thing but wouldn't he know she's to young? I separate them every few hours and at night but I think its getting out of control and im not sure what to do anymore.
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my 3 year old cat is in love with my 3 week old kitten.
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First, I think she is somewhat older than 3 weeks, more probably 4, perhaps even a smallish 5 weeks.
Second, I think its very good your adult male tries to do some parenting. This is surely what she needs, and probably also - what he needs.
Third, this pinning down, I dont think its mating - he is after all neutered yes?
But sooner a dominance behavior. Quite normale as long as he doesnt overdo it... Perhaps even a sort of a little rough play. so keep some watch, if he is too hard stop the ovedones - I usually simply put in my hand between them too! Usually its enough.
So, its really as good as it can be for the moment.
Im sending some links re orphan care. You may perhaps have some ideas from there.
http://www.thecatsite.com/a/hand-rearing-kittens
http://www.kitten-rescue.com/
http://www.kittenrescue.org/index.php/cat-care/kitten-care-handbook/
Good luck!
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Many neutered males take an interest in looking after kittens. It is very good that the kitten will have the influence and the socialising that only another cat can give. The holding down is establishing dominance, as Stefan says. You might find him smacking her, too, in a cat disciplinary sort of way. Usually, if the kitten screams, he will let go, so don't interfere unless you are sure he really is hurting her. As long as he is looking after her in every other way, I doubt very much that he will intentionally harm her. It is probably a good idea to keep them separated at night for a bit longer, when you cannot supervise them.
Is your male cat neutered?
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Thank you! And no he is not neutered I don't believe in that. Now to contradict myself lol I will get her fixed when she is old enough. I don't have to worry about spraying or any of those things male cats do because like I said he doesn't know how to be a cat. I really appreciate the advice
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So earlier I posted about my 3year old male biting the neck of my 5week old kitten. I let it play out as a dominance thing like I was advised to an extent until right now he got her and tried to mount her but her neck was a little twisted so I went to break it up and he gripped harder nothing I did could get him off so I grabbed him from behind and his junk was out and I realized he was determined to move her tail out of the way. It took all my efforts until I had to throw water on him. It's getting out of hand I don't know if I should still let it play out. Could he have sex with her even though she so small?
Also HE IS NOT NUETERED nor is he ever going to be. (My beliefs) so I need help on how to control this.
What can I do?
He really loves her and she gets upset if he gets put in the other room but when he has her so tight that she screams
I really need help
Also HE IS NOT NUETERED nor is he ever going to be. (My beliefs) so I need help on how to control this.
What can I do?
He really loves her and she gets upset if he gets put in the other room but when he has her so tight that she screams
I really need help
So earlier I posted about my 3year old male biting the neck of my 5week old kitten. I let it play out as a dominance thing like I was advised to an extent until right now he got her and tried to mount her but her neck was a little twisted so I went to break it up and he gripped harder nothing I did could get him off so I grabbed him from behind and his junk was out and I realized he was determined to move her tail out of the way. It took all my efforts until I had to throw water on him. It's getting out of hand I don't know if I should still let it play out. Could he have sex with her even though she so small?
Also HE IS NOT NUETERED nor is he ever going to be. (My beliefs) so I need help on how to control this.
What can I do?
He really loves her and she gets upset if he gets put in the other room but when he has her so tight that she screams
I really need help
Ouch. Sorry I didnt saw your first follow up, I imagined it was cleared up. But it wasnt, e was an intact tom...
Now, as JennyR said, its common neutered males help small kittens. The fact is, its not unusual intact males help small kittens too. Like here.
The problem is, they can also mount them.
To be honest, Im not sure how dangerous its really is. Some say it would obviously kill te little ones.
Im not entirely convinced about that danger As other sources, me following for example the knowledge lore among Russian blue (my residents breed) do mention the risk of mounting, but none horried warnings of dying kittens...
Anyways, I wouldnt risk more tries, whom will be succesfull next time, as he now knows how to do it, being out of practice earlier.
So, do always superwise them when they are together. always, mounting takes just seconds, so dont even dare to blink!
Second, if he tries, be very clear this is not well seen. Scream, take him in the neck skin (scruff), help with the other hand under him, as carrying an adult cat just in the neck skin is dangerous, and throw him out into an " arrest room"... so he has no doubt this behavior is higly unwelcommed.
If you can get hold of the Pill, you can try with this, once every 5-7 days. Is should held his lusts down. I know the Pill (anti-conception hormones) isnt used much in the USA, but its a workable short time solution. Although observe, the injection of these hormones, although seems to be a convenient solution, is much more dangerous. Dont do it.
The only safe and best, is of course, to neuter him .... But it too will take a couple of weeks, till the hormone niveus are essentially lower. Him being a friendly non territorial tom, it wont take longer, probably even shorter. Our friendly RB studs cooled down quite soon.
And yes, what I described here is in part because of our experiences when the son arrived to his father, the gentle massive RB stud. Whom did welcomed him, no problems, but though it was some sort of a smallish lady on visit to him...
I am sorry, I too thought he was neutered. It is going to be very difficult to keep him from mounting the kitten in that case. And you will have a nasty case of spraying in the house, too. Is there any special reason you do not want to neuter him - religious, social? The cat will be much happier if he is neutered, it will prevent him needing to fight or spraying to mark his territory. And he will have a much happier relationship with the kitten.
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That's funny. We do have an " arrest room" when he acts up. He won't mount her if my boyfriend is around only when I'm home alone. I think he knows I'm a pushover lol. But thanks I will keep that up then atleast until she's a little bigger and has a better chance at fighting back. he really does want to take care for her and never try's to hurt her in any other way so I don't want to deprive that from him either. Thanks and here's some pics
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I don't beileve in changing them from how they were born. I know he would be healthier it's just something I can't bring myself to do. It's not religious its just my crazy mind even The only reason my dog is fixed is because of the owners who had him before I rescued him and even that bugs me.
On a good not spraying is not an issue. For some reason he won't do it he only did once to my boyfriend sister she hit him and he went up to her bag and sprayed on it but he won't on anything else. He sees smells all the girl cats that sit outside and still won't. I think he knows he owns this house and everyone in it lol he's weird like I said before he sucks at being a cat
On a good not spraying is not an issue. For some reason he won't do it he only did once to my boyfriend sister she hit him and he went up to her bag and sprayed on it but he won't on anything else. He sees smells all the girl cats that sit outside and still won't. I think he knows he owns this house and everyone in it lol he's weird like I said before he sucks at being a cat
He sounds exactly like a dominant male cat to me. If he does mate with her at her tender age, it will likely tear her private parts, as the kitten is not sexually mature yet. Intact sexually mature cats will mount spayed females also. They cannot conceive, but it is highly unpleasant for them when not vaginally lubricated through being in heat. Kittens can go into heat as young as 4 months old, which is much too young to bear the burden of pregnancy.
Spaying the female will not prevent the male from attempting mating behavior. I have dealt with this before. Neutering a male is a five-minute procedure, all external, and a very easy recovery - much easier than the internal spaying procedure. The behavior of spraying can occur whether a male is neutered or not, and can start at any time.
Male cats are uncomfortable when not neutered and constantly looking for relief. A kitten, even when older, is no match for a sexually aroused male. The biting of the scruff can also cause injury and infection, even in female cats who are in heat. They often come home with bite marks, fur missing, and bloody necks.
Private vets usually like to spay kittens at six months, but shelters and humane societies will spay when a kitten is 2 pounds, which is usually around 10 to 12 weeks of age. You may find that his behavior becomes more aggressive towards the kitten as time passes. The suggestion someone made of keeping them apart is the only solution other than neutering.
Spaying the female will not prevent the male from attempting mating behavior. I have dealt with this before. Neutering a male is a five-minute procedure, all external, and a very easy recovery - much easier than the internal spaying procedure. The behavior of spraying can occur whether a male is neutered or not, and can start at any time.
Male cats are uncomfortable when not neutered and constantly looking for relief. A kitten, even when older, is no match for a sexually aroused male. The biting of the scruff can also cause injury and infection, even in female cats who are in heat. They often come home with bite marks, fur missing, and bloody necks.
Private vets usually like to spay kittens at six months, but shelters and humane societies will spay when a kitten is 2 pounds, which is usually around 10 to 12 weeks of age. You may find that his behavior becomes more aggressive towards the kitten as time passes. The suggestion someone made of keeping them apart is the only solution other than neutering.
he will start spraying as she grows up, they are both better off fixed or you will have a house that smells of cat spray or overrun with kittens, it takes only a blink of an eye, to get pregnant sometimes before spay appointment!
OK, I understand how you feel about neutering. But it is a very simple thing and a real gift you can give to the cat you love, to help him live a longer and happier life, as well as being good for any cats, including yours, that he comes into contact with. If you are afraid of the procedure for him, why not make an appointment just to talk to a vet, who will understand and can explain exactly what is involved and how he is likely to react. You can go to see the vet without even taking the cat with you.
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Cat mating behavior can be very violent.. If your male is trying to rape your kitten...and I'm sorry but that is what he is trying to do because she is not in heat...he will continue that behavior after she has been spayed. I don't know if you are aware that cats finish mating only to do it again and again for hours at a time. They can mate every 5-10 minutes. If you want your female to suffer through that I don't think you should own a female cat. I'm sorry, it's the way I feel about it.
I also fail to understand why you are willing to put her through a much more serious surgery to let your male remain intact. Why is it different for her? Is it that your boyfriend wants him to be a "real male." Because if that is the case he is transferring his feelings of being "male" and everything that it entails, onto his cat. It's nonsense. It's irresponsible pet ownership. That female kitten had a chance at a better life behind the laundromat.
I apologize if some of this sounds harsh. Calling it as I see it.
I also fail to understand why you are willing to put her through a much more serious surgery to let your male remain intact. Why is it different for her? Is it that your boyfriend wants him to be a "real male." Because if that is the case he is transferring his feelings of being "male" and everything that it entails, onto his cat. It's nonsense. It's irresponsible pet ownership. That female kitten had a chance at a better life behind the laundromat.
I apologize if some of this sounds harsh. Calling it as I see it.
I agree 100% harsh or not it has to be said! Responsible pet ownership is in our hands!
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Ok first you don't knw my cat or what goes on in my household. He lived with a girl cat for a month when we were moving and he tried to mate with
Her and she shot down and beat him up and he never tried again just cuddled or avoided her after that. My kitten is super feisty and beats him
Up constantly and he runs from her it's just that she's so small if he gets the smallest amount of power he runs with it. He doesn't try to rape her every 5 sec of the day only that one time. he hasn't tried since. And 2nd the only reason I'm considering fixing her and it's the only reason is if she gets out I don't want another cat getting her pregnant and me not knowing when she comes back. She would have died if I didn't take her she's the runt of her litter and to even say she would be better off with the possiblity get hit by a car or killed by another animal is just appalling. I only on here cuz I needed to help to lnw why he did that I've never had a cat before I didn't raise my male i only ever raised dogs. And 3rd like I said I didn't raise him from only a few days old like my boyfriend did so any decision revolving him is his decision and any on her is mine. I would understand where your comming from if my cat tried to rape her all the time but he don't and as im writing this my male is screaming and running all I've r the house from her cuz she's trying to play fight. He's not violent he did it once and now that I knw what the issue is I have it under control
Her and she shot down and beat him up and he never tried again just cuddled or avoided her after that. My kitten is super feisty and beats him
Up constantly and he runs from her it's just that she's so small if he gets the smallest amount of power he runs with it. He doesn't try to rape her every 5 sec of the day only that one time. he hasn't tried since. And 2nd the only reason I'm considering fixing her and it's the only reason is if she gets out I don't want another cat getting her pregnant and me not knowing when she comes back. She would have died if I didn't take her she's the runt of her litter and to even say she would be better off with the possiblity get hit by a car or killed by another animal is just appalling. I only on here cuz I needed to help to lnw why he did that I've never had a cat before I didn't raise my male i only ever raised dogs. And 3rd like I said I didn't raise him from only a few days old like my boyfriend did so any decision revolving him is his decision and any on her is mine. I would understand where your comming from if my cat tried to rape her all the time but he don't and as im writing this my male is screaming and running all I've r the house from her cuz she's trying to play fight. He's not violent he did it once and now that I knw what the issue is I have it under control
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As with any surgical procedure, immediate complications of neutering include the usual anesthetic and surgical complications, such as bleeding, infection, and death. These risks are relatively low in routine neutering; however, they may be increased for some animals due to other pre-existing health factors. In one study the risk of anesthetic-related death (not limited to neutering procedures) was estimated at 0.11% for healthy cats. The risks for sick animals were 1.40% for cats.[8]
Spaying and castrating cats and dogs may increase the risk of obesity if nutritional intake is not reduced to reflect the lower metabolic requirements of neutered animals.[9] In cats, a decrease in sex hormone levels seems to be associated with an increase in food intake.]
Spaying and castrating is associated with an increase in urinary tract cancers
A study [of Golden retrievers] found that castrated males were 3 times more likely than intact males to be diagnosed with lymphoma and 2 times more likely to have hip dysplasia.
(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutering)
Spayed female are at an increased risk of hypothyroidism.
That's it for a female but all
That for a male
That's why.
Spaying and castrating cats and dogs may increase the risk of obesity if nutritional intake is not reduced to reflect the lower metabolic requirements of neutered animals.[9] In cats, a decrease in sex hormone levels seems to be associated with an increase in food intake.]
Spaying and castrating is associated with an increase in urinary tract cancers
A study [of Golden retrievers] found that castrated males were 3 times more likely than intact males to be diagnosed with lymphoma and 2 times more likely to have hip dysplasia.
(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutering)
Spayed female are at an increased risk of hypothyroidism.
That's it for a female but all
That for a male
That's why.
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@klove8 While everyone here wishes to offer you support and advice, and is respecting your views, it is important to understand that this can be difficult and not all posts may seem to accept your views. You may find it helpful to read the following article, while you do not currently have a pregnant cat and there are specific issues with the age and size of the kitten this is happening to, it explains the views held by many here at TCS : http://www.thecatsite.com/t/257546/...-of-thecatsite-com-to-owners-of-pregnant-cats
Mostly I think people are concerned for the kitten. She is so tiny and you have already pulled the male cat off her once. I read that the other female cat swatted him away but if the male is taking care of her already it will be a different type of relationship. She is too young to fight for herself and she may not realize what he is doing.
