Confused About Wet vs Dry, Premium vs Cheap

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I ran across a survey by hillsvet of 825 cat owners.  Two thirds of them fed their cats a combination of wet and dry food, and one third fed dry only.  Only 1% of owners fed wet only.  Given that the consensus among cat enthusiasts and vet experts is that a wet diet is superior to dry, I assume this is due to a combination of poverty, ignorance, laziness, and indifference.  In my case poverty and laziness would apply, as I am close to broke and find dry food less of a hassle to dispense.  It also smells less.  However, I am aware of the superiority of wet food and do care deeply about my cat's well-being.

When I first got a cat I was ignorant so I just bought Meow Mix, which is by far the most popular and cheapest cat food.  They have good propaganda too (Meow meow meow meow....).  After I learned it was total crap, I switched to Iams.  This is the most expensive/top of the line food available in my rural area in the Walmart and grocery store.  Since that was the best I never gave a second thought about this for a few years, until I was browsing this forum and happened to learn that Iams, while not total crap, is basically 60% crap.  I also learned that dry food is inferior to wet food by a wide margin.  None of this surprises me. Cats can't talk, so people just abuse them to maximize the profit by putting in bad ingredients like roadkill or euthanized animals.  On the other hand, it does seem a little overboard to go on the Internet and order rare specialty brands of food not available in normal stores - that seems like a rich man's game.

So then I switched to Iams dry food always available, and once-per-day in the morning a 3 ounce can of Newman's Organics Grain-Free Beef and Liver as a topper.  I thought this was a pretty awesome wet supplement for a cat, as it has no grains, and all of the top ingredients are organic meats.  The ingredient list is ideal except some people complained about a bad additive, I think carrageenan.  I tried to buy their chicken formula because it was more cost effective, but my cat would not eat it and I had to give the entire case to the animal shelter. He is a very picky eater.  He will eat all of the organic wet food in about five minutes and then go hungry all day and just eat tiny mouthfuls of the Iams - it takes about a week to empty a full bowl.

I do not want to give just Newman's Organics alone, because my cat is so picky I don't want him to become even pickier.  Since I am poor a major catastrophic event could force me to feed cheap dry food alone so if he doesn't eat it he will starve.  I'm thinking about switching the dry food from Iams to EVO.  I think having EVO available all day with 3 ounces of organic wet food as a topper is a luxury level of food that few cats in the world would have.  I have a few questions:

1) Are all wet foods superior to all dry foods?  I gave my cat a free sample of Fancy Feast gravy lovers, and he absolutely loved the gravy but left the meat chunks to dry in the bowl.  In other words, would Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers be superior to EVO? That doesn't make sense to me, but if it's true, then given he loves the gravy so much and EVO is so expensive, I could just give him Fancy Feast wet and Newman's Organics wet everyday and be better off.

2) Don't you feel nervous buying a less widely distributed specialty food like EVO or Orijen?  Iams is distributed all over the nation in enormous quantities and is available in many stores.  I would think it would be less likely for something to go wrong, because they have higher recall costs given the quantity.  I figure, if something is wrong with the food, it's going to impact a lot of animals and therefore it is much more likely to be detected and lead to massive complaints, thus making the food safer.  Safety in numbers is what I'm thinking.  But something like EVO, which most people have never heard of and a lot of people can only order off the Internet as a comparatively rare food, wouldn't that be less safe? Plus they might put total crap in the food and I would never know. They could just pocket the premium cost, in the same way mechanics and computer repair people rip people off all the time because they don't know any better.  Iams, on the other hand, has to keep costs reasonable because they don't want to impact the quantity sold.  People who buy EVO might just pay anything/be less price sensitive.  Plus if it's such a premium food how did this happen: http://itchmoforums.com/news-recall-related/problems-w-innova-and-test-results-t1028.0.html

3) I have seen some people say that EVO is too rich for about half of cats.  Wait, hold up, take a step back?  I thought the higher meat content was key, now you are complaining that it is too rich for your cats?  If it is so healthy to have no grains, very low carbs, and a lot of meat, 50% of cats should not become sick eating it.  So maybe a less rich food like Iams would be better?  Or by "rich" are they just referring to the fat content?

4) I heard that liver is not a good thing to feed a cat every day, but the Newman's Organics Beef and Liver formula has liver as a major ingredient and it is approved to feed every day.  But does it really mean that it is safe?  I mean, even Meow Mix is approved by the government for every day use so approval means that it won't obviously poison and kill my cat in a way that can be proven adequately to file a lawsuit, but in the same way it is not a good idea for a human to eat a Snickers every day.  Should I be concerned about liver as a daily ingredient?  The thing is, I'm pretty sure my cat really likes the taste of liver and he would find a liver-free food less palatable.  I think even the EVO food has liver in it.  I e-mailed Iams about my concern regarding the liver and whether "healthy naturals" (the brand of Iams I bought) is really all that healthy and natural, and they did not bother to respond.  They totally ignored my questions.

5) Does Iams Healthy Naturals taste worse than their normal food?  If their other formulas taste better I could try switching to them.  The descriptions they give for the various versions of their products are pretty generic (few specifics to differentiate them).

6) What do you think about using a higher carb content to save the lives of other animals? If cats can utilize carbs for energy fairly well, wouldn't it be kinder to spare the lives of other animals rather than processing them to make more meat for cats to eat?  One of the downsides to being kind to a cat is that I am slaughtering the equivalent of two cows to sustain its life, not to mention any innocent birds/squirrels/mice it catches and tortures to death.  If Iams uses half the meat, and a lot of that meat is roadkill or euthanized animals, that saves a lot of animal suffering compared to EVO.
 
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Wow! Ok, here goes.

1) more and more vets are saying that wet is better than dry. I am in the camp that agrees with this, and I do think that the least expensive wet is better than the most expensive dry. It's my understanding that Fancy Feast Classics is actually a good food for those on a budget. Maybe you can try that. Especially for a male cat, I would recommend never feeding dry.

2) I actually feed homemade raw, so I have no opinions on common vs hard-to-find commercial foods. Truthfully, I don't really trust any of them. I buy all the ingredients myself, so I know exactly what my cats are eating.

3) I don't know what "too rich" means, sorry.

4) it's perfectly fine to feed liver every day. What matters is how much. Liver should make up 5% of a cat's diet, so if what you feed is 5% liver, this is fine. You can't feed JUST liver, and certainly not everyday.

5) only your cat can let you know if iams healthy naturals tastes "worse". Again though, I would drop the dry altogether.

6) cats are obligate carnivores, meaning that they MUST have meat. It's not fair to your cat to feed it carbs to 'save the life' of a bird. The bird is what the cat needs. Circle of life and all that. Also remember that euthanized animals are pumped full of chemicals. Do you really want to feed those to your cat? And don't kid yourself that any cows are being slaughtered to feed your cat. They're being slaughtered to feed US, the cat gets the stuff we don't eat.
 
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I cannot answer any questions you have about which dry food is best since I feed my cat wet food (canned and freeze dried) and dry treats like Temptations. 

I'm not sure about EVO being too rich and what it means in the context that you've heard it. Perhaps when cats switch between brands of dry food, they get sick because of the change. EVO might have an ingredient a certain cat might be allergic to as well. There are all kinds of factors.

As for giving more carbs to save lives of other animals: most pet foods are made with the waste/unwanted parts of animals from human-grade meat production factories. That means all those left over guts, necks, feet, etc. is used. It's why we don't have mice canned food because no humans eat mice (in North America, at least). Mice would be the best source of food for our cats. 

Really, in the end, the best food for your cat is the food your cat will eat and what you are comfortable giving. 
 

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As far as "saving lives" by feeding your cat less meat -  the pet food industry uses leftovers of the human food industry. They are not slaughtering animals just to feed cats. 

The best thing you can do to avoid letting your cat cause animal suffering is to keep him indoors, so he won't catch any birds or squirrels.
 

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2) This is just my opinion but I think that mass producing something actually lowers the quality of the product. For example, to raise meat very cheaply and quickly for human consumption, you would have to feed them things that fatten them up quickly that they don't normally eat, give them less space, less medical care, lower quality of life, etc. If I wanted to raise grass fed, free roaming cows, I would not be able to do it on a mass scale. Therefor the small scale of production actually guarantees better quality. At the same time, I'm sure that there are companies that take advantage of people by throwing words like natural and balanced in there. I think the ingredients list is important to read.

5) You shouldn't go off taste alone. Yes, it's important to feed a food that your cat will actually eat, but remember that pet food companies are adding animal digest to the kibble to make it more palatable. Just because a kid would rather eat chips than a salad doesn't mean that you should let them. I would choose the food by looking at the ingredients list. What you want to see is a specific meat listed first (chicken not "meat"), and I also avoid meals (chicken meal) and by products but people have different opinions on this. Then, hopefully no grains and low carbs or at least little of each.

6) I agree with the others. Cats actually can't use carbs efficiently and need meat. Also, I don't know where this "cats are cruel killers" idea that some people have came from but our society is wayyyy worse then what a cat could possibly do.

We mass produce chickens with such little space that they peck each other to death so that we can buy a dozen eggs for less than $2. Why aren't more people boycotting eggs?

We complain that cats are killing all the beautiful songbirds but we're the ones killing their environments and building glass buildings for them to fly into.

Yes cats eat meat and that means that animals have to die, but humans kill way more animals than any cat could.

Also, if we're talking about sparing animals from suffering, feeding a cat an inappropriate diet would harm it's overall health and quality of life and cause it to suffer.

Anyways, this is what I believe. You should do more research and see what will fit in with your budget and lifestyle. I'm glad that you're actively thinking about all this stuff though. It's definitely a lot to consider.
 

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1) Are all wet foods superior to all dry foods?  I gave my cat a free sample of Fancy Feast gravy lovers, and he absolutely loved the gravy but left the meat chunks to dry in the bowl.  In other words, would Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers be superior to EVO? That doesn't make sense to me, but if it's true, then given he loves the gravy so much and EVO is so expensive, I could just give him Fancy Feast wet and Newman's Organics wet everyday and be better off.
IMO, all canned foods are better than dry foods because they have a higher water content.

Well if your cat only licks the gravy and leaves the meat then it's not superior to EVO which is pate / loaf. Yes the cat is getting water from the gravy but not getting the meat which is also just as important. You may have to feed both gravy adn pate foods to ensure your cat is getting a balanced diet.
 
3) I have seen some people say that EVO is too rich for about half of cats.  Wait, hold up, take a step back?  I thought the higher meat content was key, now you are complaining that it is too rich for your cats?  If it is so healthy to have no grains, very low carbs, and a lot of meat, 50% of cats should not become sick eating it.  So maybe a less rich food like Iams would be better?  Or by "rich" are they just referring to the fat content?
They mean the fat content. Canned EVO is pretty high in fat, in the 60% to 70% range. Such a high fat content can cause a cat to develop pancreatitis or cause a cat aho is prone to pancreatitis to have an uncomfortable flare-up.
 
4) I heard that liver is not a good thing to feed a cat every day, but the Newman's Organics Beef and Liver formula has liver as a major ingredient and it is approved to feed every day.  But does it really mean that it is safe?  I mean, even Meow Mix is approved by the government for every day use so approval means that it won't obviously poison and kill my cat in a way that can be proven adequately to file a lawsuit, but in the same way it is not a good idea for a human to eat a Snickers every day.  Should I be concerned about liver as a daily ingredient?  The thing is, I'm pretty sure my cat really likes the taste of liver and he would find a liver-free food less palatable.  I think even the EVO food has liver in it.  I e-mailed Iams about my concern regarding the liver and whether "healthy naturals" (the brand of Iams I bought) is really all that healthy and natural, and they did not bother to respond.  They totally ignored my questions.
Small amounts of fresh liver daily is ok. Think of it like treats. Feeding too much fresh liver, like a whole bowlful daily, can cause vitamin A toxicity. Liver listed as an ingredient in commcercial cat food is ok to feed daily.
 
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Go to the catinfo.org & read;it makes sense to me. Vets are always saying kibble is okay.  Think of the money they make on taking care of your cat when he gets sick.  My vet told me that if I fed all wet food my cat would never develop diabetes.   I fed my last cat canned for his main meals & kibble for grazing.  My mistake was getting him hooked on fish.  He got IBD.  Now that I know a lot more I am feeding my new cat wet canned & raw.  If you look at catinfo.org it says that the lowest quality wet food is better than the best kibble.  EVO is a high quality brand of dry.
 

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Some good advice in here. To address the generality of your post, it's good that you're thinking about this. Be careful when making decisions based on what you read on the Internet, though. You're going to hear a lot of horror stories from people who have vested interests in whatever it is they're advocating. It doesn't mean they're wrong. It doesn't mean they're infallible either. Without scientific lifetime studies on nutrition, everything you read are at best, opinions and anecdotal not backed by fact. Again, it doesn't mean they're wrong. All it means that *you* should decide what you're comfortable with, and most importantly, what your cat is comfortable with.
 
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