Newborn kitten of 8 days old having pimples on head?

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What size hole is in the nipple of the bottle? Perhaps you need a new nipple with a smaller hole in it so that she must suck, not gulp. And be sure not to squeeze the bottle too hard so the milk doesn't flow so fast. Something must be done or she will get the milk in her lungs. You would know if she is ill because she will become lethargic and stop eating. Let's hope that does not happen and she continues ti thrive! :)

Also, she is drinking a very good amount of formula! The numbers are very nice!
 

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Thank you Stefan. Well i do hope in time it shows her eyes are just fine =) yes the fold seems to not like any company tho as we brought already big cats and she was beating them And hissing, so its not just about babies.

But well keep this baby on our eyes at all times so when we arent home when shes still small shell be in a room just to be safe.


However. Theres again this same problem . Early today in morning she drank like gulping again and started coughing. She scared us again. I dont know why shes going all crazy panting on the bottle and then swallows wrong. It scares and worries me as i dont want her to get aspirational pneumonia. Even if she had it i dont know what would be the signs? And what to do about this drinking of hers =(

And when she coughs im not sure if its right what i do. Holding her uspide down patting her back. As somewhere it says put them flat down and head hanging down from like a bed edge and pat their back. So which is right?
I presume the hanging upside down is the more effective of these two.

I think this dilemma comes from chocking  humans - you usually dont manage to hold them upside down unless very small...   And if they are big, you do the Heimlich trick.

With smaller kittens the slunging is efficient, although you must  train on that some, it may be deathly if done unskilled.

Lets consult  @catwoman707

Others who knows for sure are also welcome to answer.   :)
 

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If the kitten is getting milk in her nose and mouth at the same time and it appears to fill her mouth then I would be wondering if any milk gets in the lungs. I have 2 cats remaining of 3 cats that got milk in their lungs as kittens They have respirtory problems now. The vet even said they would be blind. They were just late on their eyes clearing. As my friend that got them worked with them and now they are doing fine. The breathing problems never went away so I have to watch that they dont get stuffy noses. My remaining cats of that litter are 13 years old now.

As for the Fold I would expect them to reject the kitten until she gets older. They will accept her soon. The crying could be also that she is wanting companions and as she has none she is wanting someone close. I have found that if you are introducing a new member of the family to a cat that is a loner then start with a kitten. you will find that after the kitten starts gatting around on its own that they will normally start becoming buddies.
 

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I've just read through this thread.

I do have some things to point out, also adding that you have received some good information already.

You haven't mentioned a weight for her yet.

While it appears she is getting a good amt of milk, her actions say differently, and she is too hungry and desperate to eat when it's time.

If you have her weight you can determine the correct/appropriate amt to feed daily.

If she weighs 8 ounces, she will need 8 mls per ounce of weight per day. So she should be getting 64 mls a day. (8oz x 8mls=64 mls per day)

She is not getting enough then.

If she is scrambling and clawing at the bottle it's anxiety meaning she is feeling too hungry. It sounds to me that the nipple hole is a bit too large, when filled and held upside down it should not run out, a slow drip if anything.

So you might need to check this. You wouldn't want her to inhale any, even a drop will cause pneumonia.

If you do think she may have inhaled any, put her in both hands, head between your fingers, body in your palms, tail at your wrists, fully enclosing her with your hands and supporting her neck and full body.

You will stand up and raise your hands together over your head, and in one swift motion swing her downward towards the floor and hold for a few seconds.

You can do this up to twice.

Gravity can push it back out of her lungs, but please do not count on this but rather use a smaller holed nipple.

At her age she should be a pro at feeding, no choking at all.

Burping is always good, and I would bet she has painful tummy gas due to her extreme nursing habits.

After feeding, I simply hold tummy with left hand so the head is hanging over my hand between my first finger and thumb, back paws still on the table and pat pretty firmly. They relax and soon enough will give out a good sized burp, releasing any trapped tummy air.

Pottying by running warm water over her butt area and tapping with your finger is the best way to prevent sore/raw butt. The rubbing causes this and once it's sore they tighten up and won't release as well.

She is too young yet to be without a heat source.

Her body temp should always be in the upper 90's, between 97-99 is ideal. Not until about 3 weeks old are they able to maintain body weight, so their temp drops and organs become dormant, and unable to digest milk. This is deadly as well.

At 2 weeks should be fed every 3-4 hours max.

Also it helps save your hand from being scratched up when feeding if you wrap the bottle with a towel, or bottle and your hand, this is also natural for them, as nursing from momma they will knead and push her body during nursing.

Thanks @StefanZ
 
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alrighy. Let me go one by one.

@Kstonya the size of the nipple is just enough it makes drops when i hold it up. We got another one a bit longer she drank from before and it has even smaller size and she coughed on it.

No. Milk never got in her nose and mouth at same time. Just she moved off nipple and started coughing. So its just a cough then?
Im sorry to hear about your cats problems due to this accident. I hope theyre doing fine otherwise.
yes. I figured the fold must accept her eventually, but what if she doesnt? Is there such a thing?

@stefanz thank you. Yes i did this as it was written also when i googled. Yo far it helped.

Welcome @catwoman707 her weight in past few days is fluctuatng. But ill post her latest today is 214g. Yesterday she had 223g. But she didnt eat 6 hours almost 2 times so i think its that.
heres my notes of her weight daily

15.5.15 = more eyes open then both fully open 186g +192g
16.5.15 =196g ++199g ++201g
17.5.15 = 206g ++208g -206g
18.5.15 = 211g -205g +209g
19.5.15 = 212g ++216g++220g

Pluses and minuses is when she gained throughout the day or lost

So how do we calculate this daily amount i didnt get it?
If shes 214 now its 7.54 x 7.54 =56 but as you see she barely gets to 36-45 a day. Even her belly is like baloon. How could she get more?
and yes shes doig exactly what you said. Scrambling and clawimg at the nipple. As for the nipple holes i answered up there to kstonya already. Its not too biG i think. It makes a drop when u turn.
we burp her too. But lately she doesnt do it. She does it after we put her in her nest herself.
i didnt know that about gas so thank you. Sometimes i hear a gas when we make her eliminate. We are puttig vaseline on her butt and it seems its ok. But when we dont shes meowing like crazy and yesterday it took awhile to get her to poop. Shes got a heating pad
Under her transporter. Then towel a blanket inside and shes got 29.c inside. I think its fine?
We feed her every 3 hours yes. Except that 2 or 3 times there was 4hrs and almost 6 hrs gap.

Scratching is from when she eliminates. Shes restless and scratchibg and meowing in a hands when she eliminates too. But well do that with bottle. Thank you
 
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Also i got a question about eyes. About this film. How itll look when it goes off? Shes havif already 5 days this crust on her left eye always when she wakes and i have to clean so she can open it. However today my boyfriend took her and he showed me she had sth white over her leff of that eye then it went away after like 2min. Almost like this inner corner of eye would cover half of eye. What is it? Is it that film going off? That eye was a bit red then
 

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Also i got a question about eyes. About this film. How itll look when it goes off? Shes havif already 5 days this crust on her left eye always when she wakes and i have to clean so she can open it. However today my boyfriend took her and he showed me she had sth white over her leff of that eye then it went away after like 2min. Almost like this inner corner of eye would cover half of eye. What is it? Is it that film going off? That eye was a bit red then
Im not sure what Im reading, but I suspect you describe with the film the so called third eyelid...   Its really not an eye fault, but usually a sign there is some sort of inflammation or infections in the body.  Sometimes its just worms in the bowels...
 

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alrighy. Let me go one by one.

@Kstonya the size of the nipple is just enough it makes drops when i hold it up. We got another one a bit longer she drank from before and it has even smaller size and she coughed on it.

No. Milk never got in her nose and mouth at same time. Just she moved off nipple and started coughing. So its just a cough then?
Im sorry to hear about your cats problems due to this accident. I hope theyre doing fine otherwise.
yes. I figured the fold must accept her eventually, but what if she doesnt? Is there such a thing?

@stefanz thank you. Yes i did this as it was written also when i googled. Yo far it helped.

Welcome @catwoman707 her weight in past few days is fluctuatng. But ill post her latest today is 214g. Yesterday she had 223g. But she didnt eat 6 hours almost 2 times so i think its that.
heres my notes of her weight daily

15.5.15 = more eyes open then both fully open 186g +192g
16.5.15 =196g ++199g ++201g
17.5.15 = 206g ++208g -206g
18.5.15 = 211g -205g +209g
19.5.15 = 212g ++216g++220g

Pluses and minuses is when she gained throughout the day or lost

So how do we calculate this daily amount i didnt get it?
If shes 214 now its 7.54 x 7.54 =56 but as you see she barely gets to 36-45 a day. Even her belly is like baloon. How could she get more?
and yes shes doig exactly what you said. Scrambling and clawimg at the nipple. As for the nipple holes i answered up there to kstonya already. Its not too biG i think. It makes a drop when u turn.
we burp her too. But lately she doesnt do it. She does it after we put her in her nest herself.
i didnt know that about gas so thank you. Sometimes i hear a gas when we make her eliminate. We are puttig vaseline on her butt and it seems its ok. But when we dont shes meowing like crazy and yesterday it took awhile to get her to poop. Shes got a heating pad
Under her transporter. Then towel a blanket inside and shes got 29.c inside. I think its fine?
We feed her every 3 hours yes. Except that 2 or 3 times there was 4hrs and almost 6 hrs gap.

Scratching is from when she eliminates. Shes restless and scratchibg and meowing in a hands when she eliminates too. But well do that with bottle. Thank you
The numbers looks difficult, but I see you are measuring thrice a day...  And the overalll tendency is raising, but a little slowly.

the 36-45 means probably 3,6 - 4,5 a day raise...

7,54 x 7,54 means probably you are giving her 7,5 ml, 7 times a day... giving about 56 ml a day...

214 g / 30g=Oz, gives, 7 ounces, x8, so the demand is 56ml milk a day, the same number you got.

But she manage to take less.   And this explain why she is increasing very slowly...   Too slowly, really.

Yes, good question how to give more, when she dont manage to take more and has even extended belly...

Gases, because of eating habits, and or burping?  As Catwoman thought?

How was it, did you managed to get raw goat milk?   This could help.

A memory arises.  Once for at least  20 years ago,  I heard about something against gases in the stomach... Some tried to use it on human babies, to stop colic...  WHAT could it have been?
 

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She may need some terramycin ointment for her eyes. It sounds as though she may have an eye infection. This is an ointment that is dabbed across the eyes a couple of times a day for a week or so. You will need to get it from a vet. Can you take the kitten to the vet?

It sounds as though your kitten might do better if you could keep the feedings on a tight 2-hour schedule for a few days until she gets bigger. I know that is not always possible with your own life in the mix, but it might be better for her system and steady weight gain.
 
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Yes @stefanz exactly. She had like this image

Then it went back after like 2min. And it looks like this cats other eye. That white still visible. What is a 3rd eyelid anyway. Is it worrying?
As for feedings. You see how varied ahe drinks per feeding and im not kidding her belly is really like baloon when you touch it
And even we are giving her milk between feeding sometimes when we make he eliminate or she wakes meowing like and hr or 2 later.
We will look for goat milk but can it be from a store? We could get raw too but not so easy. At bazaars i think.

@sarthur2 her eye looked like this 3rd eyelid and i saw this white in corner ever since she opemed her eyes. Thats the eye taht sometimes she doesnt open and has crust

And as i said how to feed more when her belly is like that?
 
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I wonder if this kitten needs de-worming with this big belly?
 
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Yes @stefanz exactly. She had like this image
Then it went back after like 2min. And it looks like this cats other eye. That white still visible. What is a 3rd eyelid anyway. Is it worrying?
As for feedings. You see how varied ahe drinks per feeding and im not kidding her belly is really like baloon when you touch it
And even we are giving her milk between feeding sometimes when we make he eliminate or she wakes meowing like and hr or 2 later.
We will look for goat milk but can it be from a store? We could get raw too but not so easy. At bazaars i think.

@sarthur2 her eye looked like this 3rd eyelid and i saw this white in corner ever since she opemed her eyes. Thats the eye taht sometimes she doesnt open and has crust

And as i said how to feed more when her belly is like that?
Bottled  goat milk (or cartooned) from a store is OK, take full fat, ie 3% if there are different sorts.  But raw is the highlight, and  I think raw in itself may help against digestion problems, as it contains much more of the natural enzymes - them not have been destroyed in the pasteurization process.

For example in USA, raw goat milk nor raw cow milk, isnt sold in the common shops.  But our forumites tells groceries specializing on "Natural foods" do often carry these unpasteurized milks.

I have got another idea:  you may try with a probiotic.  For example BeneBac made by PetAg is excellent.   There are also others...
 

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At 2 weeks old, while all kittens will have worms and need deworming, they would not be out of control just yet, it takes longer for them to grow.

I highly suspect she has a gassy tummy due to how she eats like mad.

She is not getting enough milk daily. This is why the slow weight gain. If she weighs 7.5 ounces, she needs a minimum of 8 mls per ounce, per day.

So she needs 60 mls per day.

Whether she drinks this on her own from the bottle, it's not up to her now, it is up to you to make certain this is her daily amt, and as she gains, increase the amt accordingly.

When she gets to 8 ounces, then she will need 64 mls a day. You see? 8 oz x 8mls=64 mls per day.

What she doesn't drink on her own, she needs it syringed by you. Just get a 1ml syringe (no needle of course) and slowly put a couple drops at a time in to her cheek, allow her to swallow and breathe, then repeat, do this until she has had her full amt for the day.

Not wait until the end of the 24 hour period and say she is 14 mls short then try feeding it to her all at once. No, look at every 8 hours what she may be behind, and give her the extra then.

Burping comes easiest when they are more in an upright position, just like a human baby up on your shoulder. Pat firmly until you get a burp. 

Potty as soon as she wakes and also after feedings. Use the finger tapping method to avoid a sore butt that rubbing causes.

Keep her warm, upper 90's. 
 
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So we were at the vet today. He looked and said shes too young to look for any worms. Also he said dab a bit of tea on tht eye if it has crust always. Cuz he saw it closed when we brought her. So he said it cuz he cant give any meds to her as there all contain acid and chemicals. He said maybe after 3 weeks of her age he could check. We said about belly and he didnt say something. It seems its normal then?
We asked about goat milk and he said actually kmr is better as yes its synthetic, but its closest to moms milk.
About her meowing he said she just misses mom and closeness.
So there.
We are goving her to drink every 2.15hrs. But is it really mandatory for her to drink full 56ml a day? Shes at 42 today and she ate last just few min ago. Meaning theres 45min left to midnight. Should we give more before midnight?
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And thanks for burping info. Tho shes so moving and panting that you cant keep her on shoulder just calm.
So well try goving her extra. But is it really mandatory to stuff her like that?
 

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So we were at the vet today. He looked and said shes too young to look for any worms. Also he said dab a bit of tea on tht eye if it has crust always. Cuz he saw it closed when we brought her. So he said it cuz he cant give any meds to her as there all contain acid and chemicals. He said maybe after 3 weeks of her age he could check. We said about belly and he didnt say something. It seems its normal then?
We asked about goat milk and he said actually kmr is better as yes its synthetic, but its closest to moms milk.
About her meowing he said she just misses mom and closeness.
So there.
We are goving her to drink every 2.15hrs. But is it really mandatory for her to drink full 56ml a day? Shes at 42 today and she ate last just few min ago. Meaning theres 45min left to midnight. Should we give more before midnight?
@catwoman707
And thanks for burping info. Tho shes so moving and panting that you cant keep her on shoulder just calm.
So well try goving her extra. But is it really mandatory to stuff her like that?
some tea on eyes is a common home remedy, so it can of course be tried.   Although I wouldnt dare to recommend somebody to dab some tea in a case which seemed to be a vet errand...

Re the goat milk, it depends on how experienced the vet is with it.  I know many cat people not having experience of goat milk think goat milk is essentielly the same as cow milk. And we advise from cow milk, talking among others about many cats dont manage lactose.   And the levels of lactose in goat milk are practically the same as in cow milk.

Yet, in practice, goat milk works just fine...  It depends surely on the milder type of proteins - which is a wellknown fact.  Possibly goat milk contains more of the natural anti lactose enzyme, the lactase...   And thus, raw goat milk is even better, as no enzymes are destroyed by pasteurizing.  (by the same reason, I belive raw cow milk is better than pasteurized, and more safe for cats then pastteurized cow milk - but I dont have no sure KNOWLEDGE, so Im not sayying it aloud.    On goat milk I DO have sure knowlege, by the hundrets of forumites who tested and or use regularly, and practically everyone is happy...

But if you DO have a good kmr, for example this by PetAg in powder, called for KMR, and want to stick to it, do so, if its your wish.  You wouldnt do anything wrong by it, its a very safe and good brand.

But we are talking on what to perhaps try, to get a positive change in her gas production...   And raw goat milk, and or some nice probiotic, are useful tries. Cant hurt,  may help.

Last, yes, they daily ratio is about 56-60 ml, so if you do have any possibility to press for it, do press for it.   Even it if is just shortly before midnight.
 
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I wonder from the picture of the eyes the Left eye I can not see a pupil. It could be still cloudy. The white part is the third eye on the right eye. It from the sound of the tummy issues is the kitten is lactose intolerant more than normal. That would explain the bloated "balloon" tummy.
 
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Healthy kittens will have a big round tummy anyway. 

The only thing the vet advised that sounded appropriate was the same thing I said about worms, too young to worry about yet.

Eye is another story. Why on earth would he tell you she can't have antibacterial eye ointment now is beyond me..............it's perfectly safe to use on newborns even, and very young kittens is who usually needs it. I've done it hundreds of times, literally.

Erythromycin or terramycin is what is needed. Infected eyes is extremely common for kittens, especially born outside.

KMR is fine. It's important to get the weight gain up, is the reason for the increased amt of milk needed.

Otherwise the lack of gaining can eventually catch up to her and cause her to turn around and head downhill, and it is very difficult to change that once it begins.
 

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I am worried about her eye infection as @catwoman707  stated in her response I see no reason why they didn't prescribe some ointment for her. I am worried as eye infections can spread rapidly because when they are that young their immune system is not very strong especially a bottle-fed baby as they don't have their mothers antibodies since they aren't nursing. Can you try to book another Vet?
 
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some tea on eyes is a common home remedy, so it can of course be tried.   Although I wouldnt dare to recommend somebody to dab some tea in a case which seemed to be a vet errand...

Re the goat milk, it depends on how experienced the vet is with it.  I know many cat people not having experience of goat milk think goat milk is essentielly the same as cow milk. And we advise from cow milk, talking among others about many cats dont manage lactose.   And the levels of lactose in goat milk are practically the same as in cow milk.

Yet, in practice, goat milk works just fine...  It depends surely on the milder type of proteins - which is a wellknown fact.  Possibly goat milk contains more of the natural anti lactose enzyme, the lactase...   And thus, raw goat milk is even better, as no enzymes are destroyed by pasteurizing.  (by the same reason, I belive raw cow milk is better than pasteurized, and more safe for cats then pastteurized cow milk - but I dont have no sure KNOWLEDGE, so Im not sayying it aloud.    On goat milk I DO have sure knowlege, by the hundrets of forumites who tested and or use regularly, and practically everyone is happy...

But if you DO have a good kmr, for example this by PetAg in powder, called for KMR, and want to stick to it, do so, if its your wish.  You wouldnt do anything wrong by it, its a very safe and good brand.

But we are talking on what to perhaps try, to get a positive change in her gas production...   And raw goat milk, and or some nice probiotic, are useful tries. Cant hurt,  may help.

Last, yes, they daily ratio is about 56-60 ml, so if you do have any possibility to press for it, do press for it.   Even it if is just shortly before midnight.
we are trying with regular turkish black tea.

yes, we went to look for goat milk to stores anyway, but all we found was pasteurized and i said to my bf its useless to take that as it has lost all the good stuff in it. Plus, it said after opened use it after 2 days so she couldnt finish 2 litres in 2 days

our kmr is a turkish one, so I don't know how good it is. its this one http://www.biopetactive.com/product/kitten-milk-powder/ when you say probiotic again we dont know how we would search. we got regular turkish yoghurt tho

Yes, we will try this daily average to match more from today on. I hope it goes well, but 1st batch today she drank enough,8ml
 
I wonder from the picture of the eyes the Left eye I can not see a pupil. It could be still cloudy. The white part is the third eye on the right eye. It from the sound of the tummy issues is the kitten is lactose intolerant more than normal. That would explain the bloated "balloon" tummy.
I didn't get this part. However, on the picture of course its googled image. Our kitten can be seen in my gallery here and on my profile photo

well, I dont know how does a normal tummy look and feel like on a newborn? Its round and big but its not like hard, still you can feel its soft, just tense, so maybe I'm just worrying too much and thinking its baloon?
 
Healthy kittens will have a big round tummy anyway. 

The only thing the vet advised that sounded appropriate was the same thing I said about worms, too young to worry about yet.

Eye is another story. Why on earth would he tell you she can't have antibacterial eye ointment now is beyond me..............it's perfectly safe to use on newborns even, and very young kittens is who usually needs it. I've done it hundreds of times, literally.

Erythromycin or terramycin is what is needed. Infected eyes is extremely common for kittens, especially born outside.

KMR is fine. It's important to get the weight gain up, is the reason for the increased amt of milk needed.

Otherwise the lack of gaining can eventually catch up to her and cause her to turn around and head downhill, and it is very difficult to change that once it begins.
This vet is my bf's mom's acquiantance and he did this check for free. He was in a rush to head out, but he looked and i had so many questions and he even spoke to me in english. I think he even didnt think its infection or he would prescribe us something. Like, he actually said try to cure it with tea 1st and then if it wouldnt be better we would consider other stuff

though, i dont even know how to know if its infected or not, cuz when he held her he didnt seem like he thought its actually heavy infected or at all?

as i said well try for her weight. as you say its important, but i worry for this belly, can something bad happen if she gets "too full"?
 
I am worried about her eye infection as @catwoman707  stated in her response I see no reason why they didn't prescribe some ointment for her. I am worried as eye infections can spread rapidly because when they are that young their immune system is not very strong especially a bottle-fed baby as they don't have their mothers antibodies since they aren't nursing. Can you try to book another Vet?
I talked to my bf and i said to him if its not better well see another vet. so what we can do is wait and see for this tea solution
 

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The white part on the right eye is the third eye lid. The Left eye appears blind in this picture.
 
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