Cat going #1 outside box...occasionally....

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Hi everyone! I'm new here :)

We have two furbabies, Rosie & Sammie. They were adopted from the same litter at a shelter, get along beautifully and are best of friends. From day 1 they were used to sharing a litter box and never minded it, and we never seemed to have had a problem with one of the cats peeing outside the box until sometime last year.

We use disposable cardboard box litter boxes and World's Best Cat Litter. We scoop at twice once a day and change the box/litter completely once every 2-3 weeks. I know it is best to have 3 litter boxes (2+1) for my two cats, but my husband and I share a very small home (a bit larger than apartment size) and there aren't many places in the house where it would not be a tripping hazard for us, or a place where they're not allowed/would not get hurt or into trouble (e.g. we have a small basement used for storage but this is where we have shelves of stuff in boxes and loose (like cleaning products and canned food) and we don't want them wandering around boxes of stuff where they could tip over/knock things off the shelves and hurt themselves--and no, we can't get rid of the shelves or our stuff unfortunately).

Their litter box is in the ground floor bath - it has lots of privacy but gives good view of stairways. The only other place where we could even consider putting a litter box is beside the fridge, but that kind of grosses me out because it's in the kitchen and I do not want litter dust/feces germs around the place where I prepare and store food. Also, if we place a box there, if this pee problem continues we risk having pee leak under the fridge and moving the fridge out twice a week just to clean pee is not really an option. We are moving next year and hope to move to a house where the cats can have their own large room/basement to spend the day and have multiple boxes, but for now, we need to work with the small space that we have and unfortunately, would need to deal with the single box.

Rosie seems to use the box just fine, and we have figured out that it is Sammie who is the culprit for periodically peeing outside of the box. She goes #2 in the box no problem and we've never had an issue with her going #2 outside the box, but sometimes (I would say 1-2 times per week) we would find either a bit of pee splatter outside of the box, or in the case from this morning, an entire puddle of pee where it looked like she didn't even hit the box at all.

We don't know what it is... it seems to happen anytime from first thing in the morning before getting fed, to just after getting fed, or we'll come home to it in the afternoon after work. There does not seem to be a correlation of when the last scooping was (today the box was JUST scooped), when the box was just changed, etc. They were just at the vet in January and both cats got a clean bill of health. They get fed twice a day on a commercial raw food diet. They get the occasional canned food once a week as a treat. These are some possibilities that I've come up with:

- she gets spooked by the slightest of sounds or a sneak attack by Rosie (we often see one cat run up to the other while they are doing their business)
- she just gets lazy and doesn't realize she's missing the box once in awhile
- she doesn't like to pee and poo in the same box? (However this puzzles us since there are days when there is nothing outside the box)
- we put too much litter in the box? (puzzling also since it's not every day she pees outside the box)

The box is big enough for them and one of the largest I can find that fits in the space. I am considering either changing the box out completely every week, or switching back to a plastic litter box in case the cardboard is absorbing the pee smell and it turns her off (again, confusing since she has peed outside the box when it was freshly scooped). Another piece of information, the box is located beside the wash basin in the bathroom and sometimes we find splatters (not puddles) of pee there. Not sure how it gets there but maybe she is looking for another place to pee?? Or she jumps up mid-pee to finish there?

I'd just like some ideas as to what to do (besides add another two boxes, this will be something that unfortunately will have to wait until we have more space), or what your experiences are with your cats. Do they have the occasional accidents, is this something that's just of being a cat guardian (e.g., cleaning up after the little furballs once in awhile)?
 

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Am I correct in reading that the accidents are happening right around the litter box and not throughout the house?

If this is the case, I'd say Sammie has a case of "elevator butt." This is where the cat doesn't urinate in a squatting position, but rather is in more of a standing position. Perhaps Sammie starts in a swatting position and raises up as she is finishing (I have several that do this.)

I'd suggest a litter box with high sides (or use a sterilite tub or storage bin or some sort.) This would keep the urine contained to the box. Just make sure the sides are taller than Sammie is when she stands in the box.
 
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Hi CatPack!

Thanks for your post! Yes, the pee is ALWAYS *right* outside the litter box, to the point where it sometimes pools under the box. It's never more than a few inches away. Sometimes we do see pee paw prints tracked outside the box too.

I have watched her use the box a few times and once in awhile both cats seem to like to put their two front paws on one edge of the box, stand straight up, and squat down to use the box... the "getting up early" is something we suspected but just very confused as to why it doesn't happen all the time.

We are going to look at getting more boxes today--we'll see if we can get a high sided box that's not enclosed, thanks for the suggestion!! Sammie is quite big (she's 11 pounds but I find lots of boxes would be too small for her) so I'll have to choose carefully.

Also, I have a photo of them...Rosie is the cream/brown kitty and Sammie is the black kitty. The top photo is from the week they were adopted and the bottom one is more recent...they've gotten so big:

 

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Am I correct in reading that the accidents are happening right around the litter box and not throughout the house?

If this is the case, I'd say Sammie has a case of "elevator butt." This is where the cat doesn't urinate in a squatting position, but rather is in more of a standing position. Perhaps Sammie starts in a swatting position and raises up as she is finishing (I have several that do this.)

I'd suggest a litter box with high sides (or use a sterilite tub or storage bin or some sort.) This would keep the urine contained to the box. Just make sure the sides are taller than Sammie is when she stands in the box.
I was thinking this too.
One of my girls stands to pee and even the covered litter boxes were no good as her pee used to just leak through where the two halves of the box were joined together.
We brought a large high sided plastic storage box from the homeware shop and cut a hole in one end.
Problem solved!

Welcome to TCS by the way, your babies are adorable. :wavey:
 
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I was thinking this too.
One of my girls stands to pee and even the covered litter boxes were no good as her pee used to just leak through where the two halves of the box were joined together.
We brought a large high sided plastic storage box from the homeware shop and cut a hole in one end.
Problem solved!

Welcome to TCS by the way, your babies are adorable.
Hi KittyWhiskers! Thanks for your post and the welcome!

I think the hole in the storage box is an excellent idea...there are those Rubbermaid blue storage bins that seem very durable but I thought maybe a top entry box might be too difficult. That way the cat actually has to go completely inside the storage bin to eliminate (and hopefully sneak attacks by the other are also more difficult!) If I don't find a decent high sided box, I'll look into the storage box with a hole!

Rosie & Sammie thank you for your compliment...they are little mischievous buggers though!
 
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Excellent--thanks! I like the idea of the clear box--that way I can easily see inside and the cats can see out.

I'm obsessed with taking photos of my kitties--any time they act/look cute, I take out my phone. It's gotten to the point where my Facebook/Instagram is basically a feed of cat photos. I also love photography in general so I have a relatively good camera that is really good for an amateur photographer like me :) There are some good manual settings that I can adjust so that details on Sammie actually show up, otherwise, yes, in a lot of photos she just looks like a black blob!
 

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Excellent--thanks! I like the idea of the clear box--that way I can easily see inside and the cats can see out.

I'm obsessed with taking photos of my kitties--any time they act/look cute, I take out my phone. It's gotten to the point where my Facebook/Instagram is basically a feed of cat photos. I also love photography in general so I have a relatively good camera that is really good for an amateur photographer like me :) There are some good manual settings that I can adjust so that details on Sammie actually show up, otherwise, yes, in a lot of photos she just looks like a black blob!
We shall all look forward to many many more. :D
 

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Excellent--thanks! I like the idea of the clear box--that way I can easily see inside and the cats can see out.

I'm obsessed with taking photos of my kitties--any time they act/look cute, I take out my phone. It's gotten to the point where my Facebook/Instagram is basically a feed of cat photos. I also love photography in general so I have a relatively good camera that is really good for an amateur photographer like me :) There are some good manual settings that I can adjust so that details on Sammie actually show up, otherwise, yes, in a lot of photos she just looks like a black blob!
Hi @KGhia, I cannot really add anything new to the great advice, that the other members have given. 

But I did want to ask you to one day, start a thread, on maybe "how to take great photographs of cats"...or some such title...because I know I would love to read it, and see more photos. 

I am terrible at taking photos, and so would be interested in learning about some of those "manual settings".

Oh, and Welcome to TCS! 
 
 
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@cat nap  Thank you for the welcome!!

It helps to use a camera with adjustable shutter settings and the ability to overexpose photos a bit...you need a quick shutter since they move so quickly, and the overexposure is perfect to photograph a black cat!!
 

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@cat nap  Thank you for the welcome!!

It helps to use a camera with adjustable shutter settings and the ability to overexpose photos a bit...you need a quick shutter since they move so quickly, and the overexposure is perfect to photograph a black cat!!
Thanks for that tip.  Okay, so overexposure is to be tried.  And playing around with adjustable shutter speeds.  (very helpful, thanks.)
 

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You can find lots of info about how to set up the litterbox in our new e-book titled The Cat Owner's Guide to Litterbox Problems. The good news is that we're having a promo this weekend, and the book can be downloaded for FREE until Monday!

 
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Hi everyone,

I've been MIA for awhile but I just wanted to give a quick update...

We switched to a high sided litter box with a lowered entryway/litter pouring spot from PetSmart and after a couple days of finding litter all over the place (Sammie is quite an aggressive digger, she was digging ALL the litter out of the box) it has worked out beautifully! We haven't had a pee accident since the second day, when I found another puddle near the old regular litter box that we were still using.

Also, hubby figured that since the ground floor bath is basically the cat's bathroom and we send guests upstairs to use the bathroom anyway, we've decided to keep two litter boxes side by side. That has worked out as well--so now we have the new high sided litter box and the usual disposable ones that we were using for a while.

The only con to this is that Sammie seems to dig more aggressively more frequently now than she did before...but she is still going normally and covering up everything, which is great. It means more frequent paw clean ups when we see her come out of the bathroom (as a black kitty, her paws show EVERYTHING!), but I'd rather do that than have to wipe pee off the floor!

Thanks so much for your help!
 

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     I had these same issues... both the no room issue and the peeing outside issue.  For ACTUALLY fixing the problem... i can't tell you what to do... However, putting a bandage on it... i can help you, 100 percent :D  In my bathroom there is a floor length cabinet.  It has an upper door and a lower door.  Behind the upper door is 2 shelves, the lower door has one, and under that is the floor.  I took off the lower door and shelf out, so now it just looks like a cabinet with a cubby space underneath. Inside the cubby, I put down a large piece of plastic to protect the floor (taped it up the walls a little bit), put down the liter box, and then put liter all the way around the box (the door wasn't all the way to the floor, as most aren't, so the liter doesn't spill... since theres a small piece of wood there). So now... he can kick, pee, or do whatever other weird thing he want's without liter and nasty stuff getting all over my nice floor :D  Then whenever I clean up every so often(I don't have to clean it as much because he doesn't miss THAT much.) I just take out the plastic as well, wrap it up, and replace it:D

     I even ended up hanging a 2 panel curtain I sewed together, with a slit in the middle for him to enter, in the front.  It looks so much nicer and if I do have to buy the cheap liter you can't hardly smell anything unpleasant, EVER.  I thought of this when I was sooo fed up steping in pee, liter that was kicked all over, and most of all having to step over a nasty liter box ten times a day since my bathroom is so tiny.  I couldn't IMAGINE thinking of a place to put three liter boxes in my house? Maybe, not taking out the second shelf and put it there if the cat was a good jumper? I have no idea, lol. You could probably do what I did with just any cabinet.... I just liked the floor length one since it's not raised, the bottom "shelf" is LITERALLY the floor, AND it has a lip so the liter doesn't spill out.  I am sure you could work something out, with SOMETHING, in your house because as for putting a box in the kitchen... NO BUENO! I totally agree with you, THAT IS NOT ANYTHING I WOULD DO EITHER.  I thought it was funny how you said several times... Im can't do this... because of this... I can't do this... because of this... I can't do this... because of this AND IT'S JUST GROSS. Lol, I can see you have searched for answers for awhile before writing this, and heard those solutions a million times...  AWH I just read the posts! Dangit... I AM A LITTLE LATE HERE. lol.  Well, maybe this will still help you or someone else. lol. I am happy you figured out what to do:D

PEACE OUT GIRL SCOUT:D<3
 

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Hi everyone,

I've been MIA for awhile but I just wanted to give a quick update...

We switched to a high sided litter box with a lowered entryway/litter pouring spot from PetSmart and after a couple days of finding litter all over the place (Sammie is quite an aggressive digger, she was digging ALL the litter out of the box) it has worked out beautifully! We haven't had a pee accident since the second day, when I found another puddle near the old regular litter box that we were still using.

Also, hubby figured that since the ground floor bath is basically the cat's bathroom and we send guests upstairs to use the bathroom anyway, we've decided to keep two litter boxes side by side. That has worked out as well--so now we have the new high sided litter box and the usual disposable ones that we were using for a while.

The only con to this is that Sammie seems to dig more aggressively more frequently now than she did before...but she is still going normally and covering up everything, which is great. It means more frequent paw clean ups when we see her come out of the bathroom (as a black kitty, her paws show EVERYTHING!), but I'd rather do that than have to wipe pee off the floor!

Thanks so much for your help!
I think that some cats just love to dig, and one of mine used to change his mind, and then dig again, like he was looking for gold. 
  Then the second spot, was good to go.

Not sure if it would help in a bathroom, but having a small runner carpet, or carpet mat right outside the litter box, does seem to catch a lot of the litter from their paws.

  Except the times, when they by-pass this mat altogether, and jump over it. Have to wash it frequently, though.  When I changed out the litter to a more 'dust free' one, it helped.

http://www.thecatsite.com/t/285527/do-you-have-a-no-track-mat-under-your-litter-box  (though I am hoping you don't have the type of cat that would use the carpet/mat to pee on..thinking it's grass
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There are some litter "Reviews" here if you have not seen them....http://www.thecatsite.com/products/category/litter-accessories

I came across some more threads here while just browsing, last year, by members Draco http://www.thecatsite.com/t/282568/home-made-litter-box-furniture  But I have been too lazy to build anything, yet.

Still can find some amazing ideas and photos, while doing searches at the top, or even googling 'diy cat litter furniture'.  Basically, these threads on TCS, just trigger the imagination.
 

(edit: oops!  just noticed that the last link was the link that KittyWhiskers posted on.  Didn't want to give you more work, but I guess I do repeat things, a lot.   
 
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I noticed that my male cat sometimes gets awful close to missing on one of his litter boxes, I make sure it's not snug up to the wall and it gives him room to get over top of it better.  I leave about an inch between the edge of the wall and the edge of the box...  His other litter box is one that is high sided and no problems with that one at all.

Good luck, and love the photos!
 
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