Please help with newly diagnosed CKD cat!

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This is my first post on this forum. I have seen a lot of good advice here and I am hoping someone here can answer my questions.

The backstory:

I have a 15 year old ragdoll (male, neutered).  For some history: he has always, since birth, been a scrawny little thing.  He averaged about 10 lbs (but he is very long) for most of his life, but is now in the 8.0 - 8.5 lbs range. He has always had hairball problems, and I have gone through many vets early in his life to try to alleviate this, but the end result was that he just liked to groom himself a lot, and to try to get him to eat some hairball prevention food/formula of some type.  He has also always been super picky about food, and I have not helped matters by trying to cater to his every need (and always giving him what he wants).

We eventually found some hairball prevention food that he liked, and that helped him a great deal for a long time.  The company recently changed the formula ("new improved flavor") and ever since then he will not go near the stuff (he does not even acknowledge it as food). His hairballs haven't been too great a problem though (not as much grooming with his advancing age) so we haven't worried about it too much.  He would typically vomit once or twice a week with mostly hair in the vomit.

He has also been chronically constipated for most of his life. Again, much of this is due to the hair (you can see a great deal of hair in his poop), but he rejected all treatments for constipation.  His constipation got worse and worse until around 6 months ago, when he did not go for almost a week (we let it go this long because he kept trying so hard, and trips to the vet make him very anxious as the vet he has had his whole life is now an hour away -each way- and the vet could not make a home visit for about a week).  We eventually took him to another vet as an emergency measure. They gave him 3 enemas and kept him there for 6 hours.  He would not go and looked miserable.  We told them how nervous and anxious he gets at the vet and they let us take him home.  After a few hours at home he eventually went.  That vet recommended Miralax (which our original vet had no problem with) and that has helped his constipation enormously.  We have previously been giving him around 1/8th of a teaspoon daily (in his favorite food, the chicken gravy from 9Lives Chicken Dinner; he doesn't actually eat the food, just the gravy). His bowel movements are still only once every other day or every few days, but he no longer has to strain to get them out.

Fast forward to the present.

Last Sunday, he vomited 12 times in a row.  This was just after a very large bowel movement. It was some hair, mostly stomach acid.  He ate nothing Sunday.  Monday he ate about 50% of his normal intake.  Tuesday he ate nothing and I called the vet (the original one hour away one) and they could get him in the following morning. Wednesday morning he ate a lot!  I was so happy and I thought maybe everything was ok.  We still took him to the vet and the vet did x-rays, and blood and urine work (in-house, so we could get all the results in 30 minutes).

The first surprise was the x-ray. He was almost completely filled with feces (despite the enormous bowel movement a few days ago).  The vet said he was actually completely full from his stomach (valve or something that opens to the intestines) all the way to his anus.  He pointed at some and then compared their size to his pelvis (pretty similar).  He said priority one was to get the cat pooping.  He said if the cat is this full of feces this often he may only eat when he feels he has room.  He upped the dose of Miralax from 1/8th teaspoon to 1 teaspoon daily.

The next bad news was the blood work.  His BUN and CREA levels were not normal and the doctor said that he had kidney problems.  We had blood work around 4 months ago and those levels were fine then so it is a recent development.  The calcium levels were also very high.  His calcium levels were historically a bit high, and the vet said that it could be that the calcium is higher from: a) holding feces in his intestines for so long, b) the kidney problems, or c) intestinal cancer.  Of course the cancer was very worrying, but the vet said an ultrasound was not very good for detecting that, and he did not want to put the cat under anesthesia to do a biopsy of the intestines.  When I asked why, he said he would prefer not to use anesthesia on the cat from this point forwards anyways, and even if it was cancer, he did not think my cat would do well with chemotherapy, so to just let it be and hopefully it was one of the other two options.

I was very distraught and I did not ask as many questions as I would have liked.  The vet prescribed k/d hills (I bought every flavor wet and dry that they had) and said it was important that the cat went on a low sodium diet, but it was more important that he keep eating.

That day after coming home, the cat was very scared, but did manage to eat a lot of the new k/d dry foot (right out of my hand!). He ate almost 1/2 a cup in one sitting and I thought our problems were solved!  He ate a little more that day, but not a lot.  The next day he ate pretty good (around 80% of normal) but we had to mix in some normal food (his healthiest normal food, as we have always given him a huge buffet to choose from) alongside the new k/d.  He won't eat any of the k/d wet food but has eaten some of the dry food but not nearly as much since the day he devoured it.  He keeps smelling it, then he might take a few bites, then move on to his normal food.  Today he has eaten very little (around 20% of normal).  He also managed to poop out what appears to be the entirety of the feces collected in the intestine.  It was a massive amount (I'm not exaggerating, but if put together is around the length of my forearm).  On one end it was hard, but the other end was fairly soft.

A few caveats, a few numbers, a few questions:

Please don't tell me to prepare myself for the worst.  I am already crying nearly non-stop and have been unable to eat for a few days.  The vet has said he could last for years if we can manage the symptoms (and if he doesn't have cancer) but every time he does not eat it is like a knife through my heart.

Please also don't tell me all the things I have done wrong (giving him too many foods to choose from, catering to his every need instead of what is best for him, waiting too long to take him to the vet): I go over every mistake I have ever made in his 15 years of life (and there were too many) and I will never forgive myself for them.  Nothing you say will make me feel worse than I already do.  I lost my other baby a year and a half ago and I think of her every day and what I could and should have done different every day of her 19 years of life.

Numbers:

BUN was 52 mg/dL

CREAtine was 3.1 mg/dL

CA (calcium) was 13.0 mg/dL (4 months ago it was 11.8 mg/dL, still slightly higher than normal)

GGT was 5 U/L

Thank you for reading this enormous wall of text, and if you could answer some questions I would be eternally grateful.

1. The BUN/CREA put him at lower Stage 3 correct?  This is a "manageable" stage correct?

2. Does the calcium (4 months ago and today) give any of you a better idea which of the three options might be causing the calcium to be high? Could this be "Idiopathic hypercalcimic"?

3. GGT is liver function correct?  The vet did not mention anything about liver but the number is clearly high.  Is this a problem and what does it mean?

4. Is Miralax long-term ok? Is 1 teaspoon a day long-term ok?  Of course if his bms stay too soft we will lower it until they get too hard again (or he struggles).

5. Would a calcium blocker be something to consider?

6. Would an antacid be something to consider for his vomiting/stomach acid issues?

7. A big question regarding food.

I have only given him a few days to try the k/d out, but he has eaten none of the wet food and other than the first day, very little of the k/d dry food.  I don't want to starve him to try and get him to eat that food. I have put some of his healthier normal foods down with mixed results.

I have also ordered a dozen or so special foods that are all low sodium so that hopefully we can find something he likes.  Should I try to go grain-less?  Will this help him in any way?  If his pooping is more or less normal with the miralax, will grain-less help his pooping or anything else?

Also, what other things should I be looking for in these other foods?  Should the phosphorus be high or low?  As an example, the k/d food has phosphorus ranging from 0.4% to 0.55%, while his current foods go all the way up to 1.6%.  Is something like 0.7% ok?

Should the protein be high or low?  This seems to vary greatly from food to food. How about fat and carbs?

I feel so helpless and clueless and would appreciate any help you might be willing to give.  I do have a call in to the vet but I may not hear from him until Monday so that is why I decided to post here.

Thank you.
 

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Hello. Sorry your cat is going through all of this. I can't answer all of your questions. I don't have enough experience. I can answer a few.

For both the constipation and for the kidneys, it is important that your cat have lots of fluid. I doubt that a combination of dry food and normal drinking will give your constipated kidney cat the water that it needs. Ask your vet if sub-q fluids are in order to help with the constipation and to support the kidneys. Fluids are very important. Try if you can to transition your cat to an all wet diet. Add water to the wet until the wet looks soupy.

Cats with Stage 3 kidneys can last a long time with proper support. Here is a link to an excellent website about kidney cats. http://www.felinecrf.org There is also a support group there that you can join.

And yes, consult your vet asap about when you should cut back on the miralax. One tsp seems very high in my experience and probably will not be the maintenance dosage.

The stomach acid is frequently a byproduct of the constipation or it could be something else.

Low phos diet definitely easier on the kidneys (if your cat will eat it). There's going to be a lot of trial and error food wise.
 
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Thank you so much for the reply! And for making it through the wall of text!

My cat has been drinking a lot lately. I will ask about the Sub-Q fluids, though a nurse mentioned to me on the way out that it might be something we have to do "in the future".

When you say add water to the wet, did you mean to add water to the dry food, or to the already wet food?

My kitty has always been a cruncher, and has always preferred dry to wet food.  So far, every prescription wet food I have tried has failed miserably.

The food is such a tightrope act.  How long do I continue to try new foods and have him not eat before I just try to get him to eat in any way possible?

He is still at only around 20% normal food intake today even though we have already relented and given him all of his old foods.  I am so worried for him.

Thank you again for your help.
 

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My male tabby was diagnosed with CKD at the age of 15 and I cried a lot at the beginning thinking it was a death sentence, but he lived for 3 more years of relative comfort. 18 is a pretty good age for a cat to get to. When I brought him home from the vet after having to leave him for most of the day so they could get a proper urine sample, he didn't eat at all the first little while and it scared me a lot. I used a medicine dropper to squirt a bit of wet food into his mouth just to allow me the comfort of knowing he was getting enough fluids, but I think it was the trauma of the vet visit that made him stop eating. He started eating properly the next day. 

I fed him dry food his whole life so he wasn't going to switch at the age of 15 to wet cat food, but I did find that if I took some wet cat food and poured a lot of water on it (especially fish flavoured, his favourite) he would just drink the water. He still wouldn't eat the meat, but all I wanted was for him to drink a lot of fluids, so I was okay with that. He did switch pretty readily to the dry K/D diet and I was glad for that since it stopped his main problem of inappropriate urination.

So keep feeding him what he likes to eat while slowly adding more of the low protein foods and hopefully he will switch over. You don't want him to stop eating, but he could be traumatized over the vet visit, so keep everything out for him for a while longer until he is feeling more comfortable. 
 
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Thank you for your kind words.

I guess I am more worried that the day of the vet visit and the day after he ate pretty good, and now he is not.  It could be the vet visit, but I'm worried that it isn't.

I will try your suggestion of pouring a lot of water on soft food. My cat is drinking and urinating *a lot* so hopefully that is not an issue.

We even put down his absolute favorite, these cat treats that have almost no nutritional value, and he still only ate like 5 tiny bites of them.

We are also giving him Cyproheptadine transdermally (the antihistamine that also increases appetite), but it doesn't seem to have done anything (other than he snores less when he sleeps).  Since his appetite is zero I'm not sure I should continue giving it to him.
 

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Do not add water to dry food. Adding fluids to dry food leads to bacteria.

You had a call in to the vet. What did the vet say?
 
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Thank you guys for your advice and checking up on my kitty.

The vet answered all of my questions (and I had a lot).  The vet said that it is normal for CKD cats to have good days and bad days, and not to worry too much about one bad day.  He said that if he has two or three bad days of no eating in a row and seems unresponsive, then that is the time to worry and bring him in quickly.

Regarding the Subcutaneous fluids, the vet said that as long as he was drinking (and he was, a lot), that the cat was not far enough along to warrant dealing with fluid injections.  He said there was no dehydration going on, and he would check again in 3 weeks for that.  He said he would show us how to give injections, because as the disease progresses, getting enough water becomes more and more of a challenge.

Regarding the water on dry food, I did actually try it before I read here that it is a big no-no (bacteria), but the cat hated it anyways and would not eat it.

Of course, after all of the worrying, the cat ate really well last night and this morning.  So, I guess these on and off days might be a "thing" for him for now at least.

I discussed with the vet in great detail all about phosphorus, sodium, calcium, fat, protein, and so on contents of food and what to look for and what to avoid.  If you guys are interested in that I can type that stuff up here.

I also tried pouring a lot of water on the soft food, and making it soupy, so even if he had some water it would be good.  Unfortunately, my little picky eater is too clever for this and he will not have any of the water on plates of soft food that he does not like.

I have a lot more foods coming in today and next week so we will have a variety of things to try.  Hopefully we get lucky and he likes some of them.  I'll also keep trying with the k/d dry food because the cat KEEPS GOING OVER TO IT, and he keeps smelling it, and sometimes there is even a bite or two, but nothing more.  The first day I gave it to him he ate 1/2 a cup in a single sitting, so I'm not sure if maybe it upset his stomach or he just got sick of it.

Also, the vet advised us to use some over the counter antacids because the cat definitely has an excess of stomach acid going on.

Thank you everyone for all of your advice and help.
 

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I have a kidney cat, my 3rd one as a matter of fact.  She is 15 years old as your little one is.  She is on Miralax as yours is.  She drinks plenty of water, and I add water to her food since she eats mainly canned food.  We check her hydration a few times a week by seeing how her skin is tenting, and she is usually well hydrated, however, we still do sub-q fluids every 3 weeks or so (at home), simply because our Vet said it's good to flush her system this way.  And we definitely see an improvement in how she seems to feel after giving her the fluids.  We also give her an appetite stimulant (mirtazipine) every 3 days to help with her appetite.  If I give her treats, I give her Temptations, because they are at least 100% nutritionally complete.  I keep a bag of them under my pillow to give them to her in the middle of the night, so believe me, I'm not going to criticize you for "spoiling" your boy
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I'll try to address each of your questions below in red.

1. The BUN/CREA put him at lower Stage 3 correct?  This is a "manageable" stage correct?  I would say definitely manageable.  Our Sven lived for 3 years with numbers higher than this (and he did NOT eat kidney food) . 

2. Does the calcium (4 months ago and today) give any of you a better idea which of the three options might be causing the calcium to be high? Could this be "Idiopathic hypercalcimic"?

3. GGT is liver function correct?  The vet did not mention anything about liver but the number is clearly high.  Is this a problem and what does it mean?

4. Is Miralax long-term ok? Is 1 teaspoon a day long-term ok?  Of course if his bms stay too soft we will lower it until they get too hard again (or he struggles).  Our last kidney cat was on 1 teas. per day...1/2 in the morning and 1/2 at night.  As you said, if his stools started getting too soft, we would cut back a little, then if we noticed him straining, we would adjust back up.  It's not too scientific. 

5. Would a calcium blocker be something to consider?  I would  not get hung up on the higher calcium just yet.  Here is a page from the website referenced by Cocheezie that discusses Calcium specifically:  http://www.felinecrf.org/diagnosis_calcium_phosphorus_pth.htm

6. Would an antacid be something to consider for his vomiting/stomach acid issues?  Absolutely...Pepcid A/C is the one of choice.  1/4 tablet.  I think you already addressed that in another post

7. A big question regarding food.

I have only given him a few days to try the k/d out, but he has eaten none of the wet food and other than the first day, very little of the k/d dry food.  I don't want to starve him to try and get him to eat that food. I have put some of his healthier normal foods down with mixed results.

I have also ordered a dozen or so special foods that are all low sodium so that hopefully we can find something he likes.  Should I try to go grain-less?  Will this help him in any way?  If his pooping is more or less normal with the miralax, will grain-less help his pooping or anything else?

Also, what other things should I be looking for in these other foods?  Should the phosphorus be high or low?  As an example, the k/d food has phosphorus ranging from 0.4% to 0.55%, while his current foods go all the way up to 1.6%.  Is something like 0.7% ok?

Should the protein be high or low?  This seems to vary greatly from food to food. How about fat and carbs?  Try  SLOWLY mixing the dry K/D in with his favorite kibble and slowly increasing the amount of K/D until there is more K/D than his regular food.  You could also try using his favorite kibble as a topper for K/D canned food to try to entice him to eat that.  As far as what to look for in over the counter canned food, I look for high protein, moderate fat, low carb, LOW phos foods.  Not easy to find.  This is what I LOOK for
.  This is NOT what my Callie wants to eat.  SO....our Vet said to let her eat whatever she will eat, since she only weighs 5 lbs on a good day
  When I feed her something that is higher in phos than I like, then sometimes I try adding in some egg whites to bring them down.  Egg whites are a great source of GOOD protein, and are a natural phosphorus binder.  I just quickly "poach" them (I buy the ones in the cartons that are completely free of any seasonings" in the microwave, then use my Magic Bullet to blend them into her canned food.  I usually do this when I feed her Fancy Feast Classic, which are actually WAY too high in phos, but she likes that food, so she gets it.   Here is a food chart that may help you find foods to try:  http://www.felinecrf.org/canned_food_usa.htm.  Here's one for dry food, just in case:  http://www.felinecrf.org/dry_food_usa.htm.  All these links I'm providing are from the same main website, which is like a bible to most people who have kidney cats.  It has information on where to purchase supplies, how to read bloodwork, what to do when they are not eating, how to help then stay hydrated, etc, etc, etc, etc. 

Now, sit back, take a few deep breaths, and try to relax for a few minutes at least.  He WILL have good days and bad.  And on those bad days you will wonder if you should let him go
.  Then perhaps the next day he will act like a kitten again.  And when he starts having too many bad days, then it may be time, but that could be many years from now.
In the meantime, just love him and do the best you can, but don't stress him out by being too stressed out yourself (easier said then done).  And remember, we're here for you to help you along.  Many of us have been in your shoes, and you can learn from our experiences. 
 

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Hi Tinsel, I've been catching up on posts and I read yours with a feeling of deja-vu.   My baby's blood and urine work were HORRIBLE - stage 4/5 CKD, only one functioning kidney and the vet told me  IF ( BIIIG IF) she lived through the night, the most I could expect was about 3 months with her.  She was 11 years old.  Today she is almost 15 and you would never know anything was wrong with her.  Runs, plays, talks up a storm and rules the house and me.  She had only had IAMS or Eukenuba dry food her whole life, she liked it, now I was guilt-ridden. She  HATED the Science Diet K/D dry or wet food, even though I mixed it in slowly over time etc etc.  She developed chronic constipation, I had to give her enema's (NOT nice) and Durolax pills.  I researched, researched and researched all the conflicting information for both human and animal CKD.

SO here's what I've done:

- went back to IAMS/Eukanuba dry food in her bowl all the time (or whatever kind, as long as it doesn't have cranberry stuff in it)

- bought an electric water fountain which filters and moves the water around (cats HATE standing water). She drinks a LOT.

- give her 2.5 mg of blood pressure medicine each day - Benazapril/Fortekor/Lotensin ACE inhibitor which I buy on line

- grind/mince up a mixture of fresh lamb kidney, veal liver and beef heart (minus the fat) and freeze in small meal size portions

- 1/2 teaspoon of Movicol/Miralax unflavored powder each day - poops are fine now

- 1 capsule of green lipped mussel powder - for the arthritis

BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY

- 8 drops of Kidney Support Gold from PetWellbeing.com 

The last four items go into a REALLY sloppy mixture in a bowl at night and she takes about 8 hours to drink and eat it. This from a baby that had refused wet food all her life. The Kidney Support is supposed to be given twice a day - 4 drops each time, but because she eats so slowly I just dump it all in together. I can't emphasize enough the Kidney Support Gold.  Occasionally I have been late ordering it, and I can really tell after a week or so when she's without it.

The last time I took her for her check up and annual tests the vet came running back into the room holding a piece of paper.  "LOOK, LOOK" she said. My heart fell.  "Her numbers are almost normal !!! "

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Marci
 

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I will make this short for now. So far everyone's replies to you are on point. I've joined a yahoo group dedicated to this issue and have found everyone very helpful, too. Keep trying everything, keep your head up. 

*sending good juju to you and kitty*
 
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