attempting home prepared raw?

pocho · Jan 25, 2015

I am embarking upon making my own raw food for my babies. They already eat Primal raw. I would love to eventually arrive at prey model....my complications are my one cat has FIV and allergic/ibd. Right now the only thing that doesn't cause puking, itching and diarrhea is primal frozen rabbit. Even pheasant caused a flare up. So I assume all fowl is a problem. Chicken is intolerable ofcourse, my question is should I also stay away from eggs? So many recipes have them and what about the crushed egg shell? What about all the premix supplements? They have egg too. Can a cat chew through rabbit bone? I was thinking of first using ground rabbit.

pocho · Jan 25, 2015

Are eggs included in poultry allergies generally? Main question I guess.

pocho · Jan 25, 2015

Interesting to take in a feral fed an abundance of cheap kibble due to well intended people and have same problems an indoor cat can develop. He is relatively young too, around 4ish.

ritz · Jan 25, 2015

I don't know about the egg allergy question or egg shell. My guess is would be allergic to egg but nutshell. I do know that my cat has no problems chewing rabbit bone, though I generally go with the breast and tail bone and cut it up into small pieces.

pocho · Jan 26, 2015

I suppose I could find a recipe with calcium powder too. He currently is on a 12 week one food situation for allergies so I have lots of time to research. I'm going to go to raw food google group. Thanks Ritz.

pocho · Jan 26, 2015

Just reading on Dr. Piersons site. She says eggs are optional. I am still wondering about just feeding them mice for say half their diet. I guess when I do a homemade raw rabbit recipe I will use some pork fat instead of the turkey or chicken skin she uses..

pocho · Jan 27, 2015

Wow she uses guar gum in her recipe. I thought that was a nasty filler?

sophie1 · Jan 27, 2015

She suggests it as an alternative to psyllium husk to transition cats who get constipated on raw. I suspect guar gum is one of the causes of the stinky stool and diarrhea that my cats have experienced on canned food, and anyway my cats don't have any problems with constipation so I don't use it.

The Primal nuggets contain lots of things other than chicken (e.g. salmon). If I were you I would test your sensitive cat with single source proteins from the grocery store, boiled if you like, with no additives. Your cat will be fine without supplements for a few weeks if necessary. Once you find foods that are tolerated, try single source protein grinds from Hare Today or Primal (avoid the "mixes"). I would test those separately since whatever the allergenic agent is, it may be in the grinding equipment which could be enough to trigger the allergy.

Then, add the supplements one at a time (every 2-3 days) to check for sensitivities. Keep the eggs for last, and I probably wouldn't mess with them if your cat proves to be truly allergic to chicken. Then you'll be in great shape to go the homemade route which is so much better anyway...bit more work, but you control all ingredients and you don't have to worry about supply issues.

pisces7386 · Jan 27, 2015

My three cats have 'bird' allergies and have no problem with eggs that we put into our homemade raw. We cook the white and leave the yolk raw.

We generally use pork, beef and venison for our meat and organs.

furmonster mom · Jan 27, 2015

pocho said:
Interesting to take in a feral fed an abundance of cheap kibble due to well intended people and have same problems an indoor cat can develop. He is relatively young too, around 4ish.

A feral cat is most likely "supplementing" by hunting the occasional mouse/mole/bird/bugs. So, they are essentially eating a combination of "raw" and kibble.

Now, we don't generally recommend feeding indoor kitties that combo because our efforts to imitate raw still fall slightly short, as we don't generally include feathers and fur. Feathers and fur play a role similar to hard fiber (as opposed to soluble fiber), that helps keep the system clear. Without that element, it's theorized that the kibble can cause a slowdown in the system and allow bacteria to build up to intolerable levels.

sophie1 said:
She suggests it as an alternative to psyllium husk to transition cats who get constipated on raw. I suspect guar gum is one of the causes of the stinky stool and diarrhea that my cats have experienced on canned food, and anyway my cats don't have any problems with constipation so I don't use it.

The Primal nuggets contain lots of things other than chicken (e.g. salmon). If I were you I would test your sensitive cat with single source proteins from the grocery store, boiled if you like, with no additives. Your cat will be fine without supplements for a few weeks if necessary. Once you find foods that are tolerated, try single source protein grinds from Hare Today or Primal (avoid the "mixes"). I would test those separately since whatever the allergenic agent is, it may be in the grinding equipment which could be enough to trigger the allergy.

Then, add the supplements one at a time (every 2-3 days) to check for sensitivities. Keep the eggs for last, and I probably wouldn't mess with them if your cat proves to be truly allergic to chicken. Then you'll be in great shape to go the homemade route which is so much better anyway...bit more work, but you control all ingredients and you don't have to worry about supply issues.

Excellent advice, here.

pocho · Jan 28, 2015

Wow! Thanks you guys. This is all very helpful.

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