coloration of a kitten

This is an unintentional litter, long story short... Hole in the bathroom floor that the cat found before we did!! Now we have 6 kittens (first and LAST litter). I'm wondering if there is a name for this coloration? The coloration on the feet darkened over the last few days. They are just over a week old now.

His/her skin is black under the thick white fur, as are the ears, feet, tail, nose...

He/She is a Seal (Or blue, but I suspect seal) Point. It's possible if it's a girl she'll develop some tortie as well (Depending on the parents). We can't say anything about Tabby yet, but it should be showing soon. If you want to know already we need to know information about the parents ^^

Also, the color will continue to darken over time, the older he/she gets, the darker it'll become. The body will remain white for a while but eventually will start showing coloring as well. This will always remain lighter than the points (meaning; feet/nose/ears/tail).

Oh sorry! The mother supposedly came from a ragdoll breeder and their male house cat. She refused to tell me what he was (even just in color). The father of this spawn? Honestly, I don't know. Our cat got outside through a hole she found in the floor. There's a young black male from the colony, a white with tabby patches, and a long haired grey (silver?) hours cat... only three seen around here this year. The fur on this kitten reminds me of a stray kitten we had, abandoned by her Manx mama, who had a thick undercoat (similar to a husky, american Eskimo , etc)

Pic is of our cat.
Thanks for the reply!

Here is a field of combinations and probabilities going.   

But pardon me for me not even mentioning, why would a breeder have an intact house cat tom around his breeding cattery?   I know quite a few breeders who do have an moggie aunt or uncle for company,  perhaps an  ex rescued, but  they all spay / neuter them in good time. Sheer stupidity / carelessness or it was really a purebred from some other breed??

A ragdoll, mated with a non pointed shorthaired, the result will be all kittens to be non point, and short hair.   (I make it comfortable for me here, and presume he was not a gene carrier either).

Your adopted dau mated with an partly unknown tom, giving different kittens, one of them a point. She is herself carrier for both point and longhair. So the father was surely a carrier of the point gene, it should give in average 1 pointed kitten,  and two non pointed carriers in an typical litter of 4.   The same statistics for the longhaired gene.  If the father was longhaired, half of the kittens should be longhaired, half shorthaired carriers.

If the father was shorthaired, but was a carrier of the longhaired gene, about 1 of four shold be longhaired, but  half shorthaired carriers.

You do have 6 kittens, one of them is a point, right?   how is it with the others? point, longhair?  other colors?  So toghether we will perhaps find some combinations more possible than the others..

Good luck!

Ps.  As you do have some intact toms running loose around your neigbourhood, could you perhaps help them to be neutered?  It would do the neigbhourhod as whole too.  Less shrieking, less fights, less pissing and spraying.   Talk with these neigbours, and together you will probably find solutions.  

Good luck!

sena said:

Oh sorry! The mother supposedly came from a ragdoll breeder and their male house cat. She refused to tell me what he was (even just in color). The father of this spawn? Honestly, I don't know. Our cat got outside through a hole she found in the floor. There's a young black male from the colony, a white with tabby patches, and a long haired grey (silver?) hours cat... only three seen around here this year. The fur on this kitten reminds me of a stray kitten we had, abandoned by her Manx mama, who had a thick undercoat (similar to a husky, american Eskimo , etc)

 

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You really broke it down! Makes sense for me!

She honestly was not a real breeder. Claimed (with the tiny bottle and all) that ALL her kittens were vaccinated at home. Except, a breeder's daughter pointed out that the particular vaccine bottle she gave me was for ADULTS only and would have killed the kittens. Especially when the "6 week old" was really THREE weeks old (Still grumbly about that...). She absolutely refused to tell me what he was, other than "oh, just a normal domesticated house cat". So, yeah, carelessness. She was willing to take the kitten back when we were having issues (she fed them all plain rice... That's it, and she ended up having a minor prolapse, difficulties eating, etc). But, I was sure she would just lie to another person or worse... She would kill the kitten to spare the time she would need getting her better. 

As for the fix and release method... I'd have to do it all on my own. The neighbors here don't really care... The reason we actually had cats stick around in a large number, is because there used to be a little old lady who had a cat door, and would feed the ferals and strays. There were about 30 cats in the colony before she passed, and they were left without a human caretaker. This year, the number has dwindled to less than 10 known, including the manx/bobtail who honestly reminds me purely of the wild cat, tufts on her ears and all! The vets around here won't help with the cost, so it would be 190.00 minimum for a female and 120 minimum for a male. Plus, needing to find the humane cat trap, and hoping they would fall for it!

Yes there are six kittens I'll get the pictures up for you... Orange, the "seal point", one black, two tortoiseshell?, one black with white. All have shorter hair, the point has the longest out of all of them, which is really just more thick/fluffy. The orange and the point are both massive in comparison to the others. 




This picture is of the kitten the manx abandoned (my brother's fault, really). 5 weeks old when the picture was taken. Her fur was the same as the point we have, if that helps. Short, but thick and fluffy! Possible it would have been the same father? She had a "peppered" look of orange on her, a little white, with the tabby colorings (mom had the tabby look).

Do you also happen to know which of the kittens are boys and which are girls? Genetically, it can help see what color the father should have been. For example, if the black kitten (or black+white) is a girl, then the father has been a black colored cat (possibly blue - diluted black). Is the orange kitten a girl, then the father has to be red (Or Creme - diluted red).

Ok we checked them... believe black is a male, point is female, both torti are female, orange I think is male as is the black and white.

Haha, that doesn't narrow it down at all, until we can confirm if the point is a seal point or a tortie point. One boy got the red gene from Mom and 2 boys got the black gene from Mom, being a calico she can pass on either gene. Same with the girls---she could have given either color to them, we don't know which color the dad gave :tongue2:. If the point is a seal point, that means the daddy cat was dark. But if she's tortie point we'll never know!

Was the mama cat's mother a regular seal point Ragdoll? If so, the daddy cat was red. If she was red point, the daddy cat was dark. If she was tortie point. . .we'll never know! LOL. Those calicos/torties, so mysterious .

I love that we have a kitten for each of her colors lol!! And I have no idea what the ragdoll was... never got to see her. Just taking in a kitten who needed a home.

I no help on cat genetics but just popping by to expression how adorable your multicolour litter is.

sena said:

Oh sorry! The mother supposedly came from a ragdoll breeder and their male house cat. She refused to tell me what he was (even just in color). The father of this spawn? Honestly, I don't know. Our cat got outside through a hole she found in the floor. There's a young black male from the colony, a white with tabby patches, and a long haired grey (silver?) hours cat... only three seen around here this year.
 

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This silver grey must be a handsome one. (said the owner of two Russian Blue residents!), but we know he is the least probable father here.  As the mom is almost surely a longhair carrier, as she is supposed to be half ragdoll, about half of the kittens should be longhaired,   if he were the father.  The statistics arent ironclad, but still, as none here is longhaired, its surely not him. 

sena said:

Ok we checked them... believe black is a male, point is female, both torti are female, orange I think is male as is the black and white.

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Thank you for checking! Unfortunately, as @Willowy  said, it doesn't narrow it down at all haha. You have a beautiful litter and mother cat, I hope everything will go well and they'll grow up into healthy adults that will be placed in amazing and good homes. If you have any new information, do let us know, maybe we can try again on predicting the assumed father

Haha thanks guys At least when we rehome them, they have a high chance of finding homes! (Just need to see if there is a vet who does multiple spays /neuters for lower price..)

I'm in Alabama and we have a local spay/neuter clinic that helps at a reduced cost. It's wonderful because they pick them up and drop them off the next day. They even call you to let you know how your baby is doing after surgery.

I've had several cats fixed with them and never had any health problems. You might could check with your local animal shelters to see if they know about a low cost clinic.

BTW - I had a Siamese mix that looked exactly like yours her mom was half Siamese. I had her for 15 yrs before she passed.

Good luck!!!! 

Yeah... I have asked around for low cost and there aren't any with the exception of a handful, which only apply if you make less than I do. They don't take into account living expenses or anything. So the cheapest vet is 90.00 for males and 190.00 females... plus 20-40 bucks gas to get there, depending what gas is at. Or in town for 120.00 males and 220.00 females. (If I do have 3 males and 3 females, plus mom, plus a non-related male cat we took in... well... I better win the lottery).

Some days I don't like Canada. Lol

Some vets give quantity discounts. . .doesn't hurt to ask.

Have the females done first. I know it's tempting to do the males because they're cheaper but, worst case scenario with an unneutered male, he starts spraying. Worst case scenario with an unspayed female, you get several more kittens to pay for :/. The stakes are a lot higher with the girls.

Will look around for sure.

Um..... Are... Red eyes normal for the point? Reminds me of most albino or light colored critters like guinea pigs, where the eye is a deep red. The others have blue.

sena said:

Will look around for sure.

Um..... Are... Red eyes normal for the point? Reminds me of most albino or light colored critters like guinea pigs, where the eye is a deep red. The others have blue.

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No. Points are blue eyed cats. The other blue eyes you currently have will change color when they are a little older.

Can you make a picture of the red eyes? It's possible he/she has an eye infection or other eye problem. I assume their eyes just opened.

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No. Points are blue eyed cats. The other blue eyes you currently have will change color when they are a little older.

Can you make a picture of the red eyes? It's possible he/she has an eye infection or other eye problem. I assume their eyes just opened.

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I agree on all comments here.

One note though, in some situations points may get red eyes - on the pics if you flash straight into their eyes.   ALL cats can get red eyes in this situation, humans too, but blue eyed points  can get it even worse than most.

I hope it is why you ask and think points are red eyed.

Eyes opens a couple days ago. I just haven't been able to look at them that close to notice eye color. She doesn't have an infection... it's not red AROUND the eye, not bloodshot, or clouded... it's the same as my guinea pig's red eyes (ginger guinea).

EDIT maybe it was because of taking a picture, with flash. Her eyes aren't red anymore.