The Fatty Liver Fight

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I've read a lot of posts about FHL on this forum and gotten a lot of good information, so thank you up front for everyone that has helped us get this far :)

My poor little furbaby, Arthur, stopped eating about 2 weeks ago. I know the dangers and had been told before to try syringe feeding meat baby food in such a situation, which I did. Arthur is also diabetic, which of course complicates things. He started acting very lethargic, thirsty, and his blood sugar levels started going crazy (swinging wildly from mid 400s to 103). A couple days after he stopped eating on his own he was looking pretty bad and I found ketones in his urine. We rushed him to the emergency vet since it was after hourse for our regular vet. She told us he wasn't actually that bad, she thought he could be treated outside the hospital, gave him some sub q fluids, and sent him on his way saying if he got worse, call the regular vet. I asked her about the ketones, and she said they were only low to moderate so no worries. I had always understood any ketones to be worrisome. She also mentioned she detected a slight heart murmur and asked if I had known about that, and I said it had never come up on an exam before. At this point we went home with him feeling a little better, but it nagged at me that what she was telling me was so at odds with my instincts, which are usually right.

By the next day Arthur was definitely not better. He finally crawled into a tiny area behind the washing machine, something he's never done before and is definitely "cat crawling off to die" behavior. I called the regular vet, who told me he will be okay and probably just needed an insulin dosage adjustment, and to take him in the next day for a glucose curve. I told them I thought it was way more serious than that, but they disagreed. As you can imagine, he did not get better overnight and even crawled into the sink with running water on his head, definitely not normal behavior for him.

Next day I took him into the regular vet. She took one look at him and ordered blood tests. She came back telling me he was incredibly sick and that she was transferring him straight to the hospital again. His liver values were seriously elevated. I told her what the hospital vet said before, and she said, "Any ketones in the blood are cause for concern, it's never not a big deal." This is what I had always understood as well. The vet's biggest concern was Arthur's potassium level, which was 2.3. He was also jaundiced, which was there a slight amount even when we had brought him to the hospital a day and a half before.

So off to the hospital we went again. They admitted him and were primarily concerned with the ketoacidosis, given his diabetes. I told them repeatedly that I thought he had developed a UTI and that was what threw all of this into motion, and I told them that I was concerned about FHL. They blew me off. At 4am they called me to say that they thought he had a UTI and they wanted to put him on antibiotics. No kidding. BY 7am they said he was looking much better and were sending him home that morning. When I went to pick him up, he was definitely NOT better. He looked as sick as he did the day before. Let me note that I do not have much money, and they knew this. I think that it seriously affected the quality of care they gave him from the beginning, even for things that they were already paid to do. We paid out of pocket for his first emergency visit, and we paid the first day in the hospital and the regular vet with care credit. I had been calling some charities during his first day in the hospital to fund a second day (which they did when I told the hospital he was definitely not well enough yet - Rose's Fund was fabulous, and Arthur's regular vet had a fund that they donated from as well).

The next morning I got a call telling me that Arthur had taken a turn for the worse and that they didn't think he was going to make it more than another 24-48 hours. I went to pick him up, prepared to make a horrible decision. What I found was a cat with more energy and more alert than the day before. Even my friend, who had driven me the day before and that day and had seen Arthur, commented on it. I asked some questions. Apparently they had only given him IV potassium "per the formula" for most of his stay at the hospital without even testing him to check if it was working. I specifically made sure that second morning to instruct them to test his potassium asap that morning to adjust if needed. They didn't bother to test him until that night at 8pm and then realized his potassium was only 2.2. THEN they finally started giving him an oral supplement and upped his IV potassium. That's hours and hours of potassium therapy he lost. I was furious.

I took him to a vet clinic that another charity said they would pay if I brought Arthur there. I brought him in, but they looked at his hospital records and said his issues were severe, the FHL was bad, and either he was admitted to the hospital, given a feeding tube, and got intensive care for nearly a week (totaling about $3k) or he would die. I don't have that kind of money, and I can't even get that amount funded on short notice (or perhaps at all, it's a lot of money). So I took him home and decided that I would try to get him on track myself. If he got worse, I would do what I had to do, but if he got better, it would be well worth it.

I went home with him armed with sub q fluids with added potassium, tumil K, clavamox, denamarin, pain meds, and extra food syringes. They also gave me mirtazapine, but after what I had read about it I didn't give it to him. Even vets seem to disagree on its safety during an FHL crisis. I'm currently unemployed, so I'm home all day to care for him. I called the hospital to find out how many calories he had eaten per day while he was there. The vet told me that he got barely 100 the day before, and that she stopped the feedings because "he was so depressed." WHAT??? Of course he was depressed, he was sick, and the treatment for that is to feed him! So that day I got 200 calories into him, and the next day and every day after that I got 300 into him. I asked him regular vet for Hills A/D, but she said that high-quality, grain-free kitten food was so close as to work as well and was a lot cheaper. She looked up formulations and found that the Wellness grain-free kitten food and the Blue Buffalo Freedom kitten food was closest to the Hills A/D formulation, both of which I found at Petco. So if anyone out there goes through this and can't afford the Hills, try that.

A few days later Arthur was definitely looking up. My cat who was supposed to be dead by then was showing interest in food (not eating on his own yet, but coming in when I fed his sister and when I cooked, plus licking an almost-empty can and a piece of bacon), walking around the house, and even meowing a couple times. Unfortunately, he used his newfound strength for evil and managed to ditch a couple potassium pills that day a good 10 minutes after I had pilled him and held him to make sure he got them. He got sicker again, though nowhere near where he was when he came back from the hospital.

So, now we are just plugging along, hoping that he pulls through. The diabetes complicates his recovery, and I would not be surprised if his pancreas is also inflamed. However, the ketones were gone when he got back from the hospital (which they didn't know because they hadn't bothered to test him, even though I even left them his ketone strips). I now suspect the ketones were from the FHL, not the diabetes. He has actually been pooping the whole time, so food is being processed. They've been rather black (I read that is probably from the bile?), though today he had one black poop and then another that was a little softer and brown-yellow. I don't know what that means, and I haven't been able to find that online. It seems like if I can get his potassium up to normal and keep feeding him, he has a good chance. Luckily he is a pretty tractable cat, especially with me, so he has tolerated the treatments as well as possible.

It infuriates me, though, that the hospital blew him off the first night we went and didn't even really do what they should have when he was there. If a cat presents with anorexia, ketones, lethargy, excessive thirst, jaundice, a heart murmur, and that weird back-leg crouch-walk, you as a vet should immediately know that it is probably FHL with a potassium deficiency. A day of internet research taught me that, so you'd think years of vet school would manage it. The other thing that drives me nuts is that none of the vets seem to listen to me. I know my pet better than them. I know his labs suck. But I also know by looking at him when he is sick and when he is better. I know what is normal and not normal for him. I know what he will tolerate at home and what he won't. And if he recovers, I am bringing him to the vets that all told me he had no chance and telling them they need to listen to the pet owners.

Arthur is the sweetest cat. I've had him since he was tiny. He was the runt of the litter for a pregnant rescue cat that was abandoned when her owners moved. He was too weak to latch onto his mom when he was born, and I fed him from a dropper the first day so he could regain strength and latch. He's a "mommy's cat," no doubt, and follows me around the house all day long. I so hope I don't lose him.
 

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I'm not at all suprised at the lack of concern and due diligence from your vets. It is not really because you don't have much money either, trust me. I take my cats to an upper scale cat only clinic in new orleans. I do have money for cat care as well as pet insurance and my vets are *sometimes* so clueless and will diagnose my cats with the most basic and general things, it's ridiculous.

You are right that many times you can hop on this forum and find out what's wrong with your cat and what to do to treat it better than your vet can with their knowledge and years of training in vet school. Of course, you don't want to treat your cat from advice from the Internet but you can certainly bring up the ideas and opinions that people help you come up with to your veterinarian to see if it makes sense.

It's really sad that those vets were so negligent and stopped feeding your cat and didn't do proper testing when they were supposed to. Thank goodness that you are so in tune with your cat to know when something is wrong. I hope Arthur gets batter soon.

Many well wishes your way.
 

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Ugh... This is a major problem with not only animal medicine, but in human medicine too. The only advice I have is to ask friends about what vets they use and find a new one. And when/if you do find a new one, I would be up-front and let them know about the problems you've had with other vets. The more you make doctors/vets aware that you want your opinions valued and that you will not be happy if they don't do their job properly, the better. I am so thankful for the vet I have. I told the receptionist that I wanted to discuss the vaccines before he did anything during our exam and she made a note, he knew about the note too, and we had a long discussion. I told him what was on my mind, he gave me his opinion, and then he asked me: how do you want me to proceed? That's what I like: respect! I sincerely hope that you find a vet that will give it to you.

I'm sorry they didn't take good care of Arthur. Honestly, they did a terrible job, and it almost cost him his life! Poor guy. I do hope he continues to improve! Prove 'em wrong, Arthur!
 

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I am glad you have your kitty on the road to recovery.  I did the vet hopping thing with a chronically ill kitty before I found a good vet.  I think this is unfortunately a rampant issue at least in the U.S.  I now take my kitty to a vet clinic with a feline specialist as the head vet.  The specialist is now my kitty's vet since their original vet bought an established practice in another state.  They do charge a little more than the general vet practices in the area but it is worth it to me.  They were my last attempt at finding a vet, I was completely frustrated and going broke with the hospitalizations for supportive care.  That was also when my kitty had gone into fatty liver.
 
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An update on Arthur: he is noticeably better today. Less groggy, far more alert. His third eyelid has gone back into hiding where it should be. I started washing his pills down with water today, and he gave me the dirtiest look. It made me laugh, and it's certainly better than when he was too sick to care at all what I did.

Hopefully he is on the mend, but I know I won't know until he is eating completely on his own and all his tests come back normal. It's nice to see the return of his cute kitty face instead of his sick and in pain face.

I'd read that the serious low potassium symptoms generally kick in sub 3. At his sickest he was 2.2, so if I had to hazard a guess I'd say he is at about 2.7 now. Still dangerous, but going in the right direction.

I appreciate the comments. Anyone know what it might have meant when he had soft yellowish poop this morning instead of hard black poop?
 

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So glad he is getting a little feisty on you
.  Means he's definitely starting to feel better, but don't let up on syringe feeding him.  Even after he starts eating on his own, be sure to keep track to make sure he eats enough.  I had a cat with HL several years ago, and we had to "assist feed" him for four months before he was entirely on his own.   And don't get discouraged is he has good and bad days.  That can happen.

As far as the soft, yellowish stools, that can be a sign of bacterial imbalance in his bowels.  Maybe try adding some probiotics into the mix.  I just add human probiotics to my cats' food everyday, just to keep their gut flora in good condition.  I do 1/2 capsule in the morning, and 1/2 at night. 

Keep us posted on his progress. 
 
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Yesterday was an up and down day - on the one hand, the third eyelid retreated and his pupils went back to normal. But he was also looking more uncomfortable and hanging around his water bowl. Today was a much better day though. He's back to grooming himself and licking the gravy from his food. I think the big difference was that today instead of giving him his potassium pill in an all-out wrestle to the death, I ground it up and mixed it with a syringe of food. He was so horribly upset and stressed yesterday after the pillings, and that can't be good for his recovery. Today he was much happier.

He loves to be brushed. Just now my son started brushing him, and Arthur got up to lay on his back and cat-stretch so that his belly could be brushed. It's nice to see the flashes of normal Arthur.
 
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Oh yeah...while syringe feeding, I would definitely give him any medications via the syringe
.  Makes everyones' lives SO much easier and less stressful. 
 
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Today he started meowing for food and ate on his own! Yay! He did about 3/4 of a can on his own and another one by syringe. I'm waiting to see how much of the last 3/4 he will eat on his own before I syringe feed again.
 

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Today he started meowing for food and ate on his own! Yay! He did about 3/4 of a can on his own and another one by syringe. I'm waiting to see how much of the last 3/4 he will eat on his own before I syringe feed again.
Wow, that is great  news..
 
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Today he ate all his calories on his own! And just in time too, because I got hit hard with the flu after having been exhausted with cat care. He's been so sweet - every time I start getting really uncomfortable or in pain, he comes over to cuddle and purr really loud to comfort me. So now he's taking care of me instead of the other way around.

I'm still giving him the sub q fluids with the added potassium, and I figure by the time they are gone he won't need them anymore. But he looks like he will pull through for certain. His ears are pinking up over the last few days as well. I will be writing a letter to the hospital that nearly killed him expressing my displeasure in no uncertain terms.
 

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I'll tell you what worked for my cat.  She developed fatty liver, became jaundiced and developed diabetes and ketones all at the same time and almost died.  Unfortunately, I had already spent an obscene amount of money with 6 months  that I did not have on my other cat with CKD and chronic pancreatitis.  So, when this happened I was devastated because my excellent vet recommended a feeding tube and there was no way I could afford it.  So, my vet gave me this plan to follow and it saved my cat's life.  Her liver numbers were ALT- 1105; AST 450 and ALP- 210.   Her case was severe and even worse due to diabetes and ketones and my vet warned me that she may not make it if it was already too far, especially without being hospitalized.  But, I am hoping that someone who cannot afford treatment will read this and it will help them, too.  I will say that it was a long battle, but it worked and was very affordable.  In my cat's case it took 8 weeks of syringe feeding before she would eat on her own (my vet said typically it will take at least 2 weeks up to 6 weeks so be patient and don't expect overnight results).  The most important thing like others said is that the cat gets plenty of calories because that is literally the cure (the meds just help support recovery, but the food is what recovers).

1. syringe feed the cat AT LEAST a 5.5 oz can of food throughout the day (I fed A/D mixed slightly heated and mixed with water).

The next items were what my vet told me to mix into her feedings.  They are human supplements that you can buy at a health food store.  They help with bile conjugation and support the liver:

2. L- taurine (not regular taurine)- 500 mg tablets- give one half tablet crushed and put into food once daily

3. L-carnitine (not regular carnitine)-250 mg capsules- open capsule and put entire contents into one feeding per day

4. vitamin E- 200 iu liquid caps- poke with a pin and squeeze 1/4 of the cap into one food per day (too much vitamin e is bad for cats so do not give more than this)

I am not a doctor and am not giving medical advise.  I'm just sharing what worked for my cat.  After 8 long weeks, she went back to the vet and her liver values were fully recovered and normal! I hope that this information helps someone else who perhaps cannot afford to go the feeding tube route.
 

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I'll tell you what worked for my cat.  She developed fatty liver, became jaundiced and developed diabetes and ketones all at the same time and almost died.  Unfortunately, I had already spent an obscene amount of money with 6 months  that I did not have on my other cat with CKD and chronic pancreatitis.  So, when this happened I was devastated because my excellent vet recommended a feeding tube and there was no way I could afford it.  So, my vet gave me this plan to follow and it saved my cat's life.  Her liver numbers were ALT- 1105; AST 450 and ALP- 210.   Her case was severe and even worse due to diabetes and ketones and my vet warned me that she may not make it if it was already too far, especially without being hospitalized.  But, I am hoping that someone who cannot afford treatment will read this and it will help them, too.  I will say that it was a long battle, but it worked and was very affordable.  In my cat's case it took 8 weeks of syringe feeding before she would eat on her own (my vet said typically it will take at least 2 weeks up to 6 weeks so be patient and don't expect overnight results).  The most important thing like others said is that the cat gets plenty of calories because that is literally the cure (the meds just help support recovery, but the food is what recovers).

1. syringe feed the cat AT LEAST a 5.5 oz can of food throughout the day (I fed A/D mixed slightly heated and mixed with water).

The next items were what my vet told me to mix into her feedings.  They are human supplements that you can buy at a health food store.  They help with bile conjugation and support the liver:

2. L- taurine (not regular taurine)- 500 mg tablets- give one half tablet crushed and put into food once daily

3. L-carnitine (not regular carnitine)-250 mg capsules- open capsule and put entire contents into one feeding per day

4. vitamin E- 200 iu liquid caps- poke with a pin and squeeze 1/4 of the cap into one food per day (too much vitamin e is bad for cats so do not give more than this)

I am not a doctor and am not giving medical advise.  I'm just sharing what worked for my cat.  After 8 long weeks, she went back to the vet and her liver values were fully recovered and normal! I hope that this information helps someone else who perhaps cannot afford to go the feeding tube route.
This is very interesting.  I've never heard of adding the L-Taurine and the L-carnitine.  Definitely heard of adding the Vitamin E....But NOT the 200 iu, which is difficult to find.  No Milk Thistle huh? 

Well, I am SO HAPPY it worked for your little one.  It's so much harder to do this without a feeding tube.  Kudo's to you
 

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I am so sorry to hear about your kitty and the trouble with the vet not giving proper diagnosis. You are fortunate that Arthur is at least eating. Our cat developed fatty liver last year as a result of being put on a weight loss diet (vet's orders, thanks a lot) and almost died from the anorexia. The thing that saved her life was an esophogeal feeding tube. It was really intense and we had to tube feed pureed A/D 3 times per day but eventually she began eating on her own and made a full recovery. The experience has definitely taught me a lot and to be very aware of your cat's eating/litter box habits to keep an eye out for any problems.
 

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Yes, I had never heard of it either.  This vet is an excellent vet and she gave me a print out that explained.  The L taurine, apparently, provides the amino acids for bile acid conjugation and the l-carnitine facilitates fatty acid oxidation and secretion.  She did, however, tell me that if the cat refuses feedings because of the supplements not to worry about it too much.  No milk thistle, but I did give denamarin since my other cat was already on it and i had it on hand.  The vitamin e was actually the easiest of find, surprisingly, but I had to order the l taurine and l carnitine because all of the health food stores only had the regular taurine and carnitines.
 
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