Hi, I have lots of questions, cat due any day now...

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Hello, this is my first post in an online pet forum.

We have had our house cat Dinah for 18 months since she was a kitten. She has never gone outside or shown an interest to and will ignore open doors. However, From June to November myself and the children moved out to stay with my parents while we had a very large extension built on our house. My husband slept at our house with Dinah. One time I visited our house in the afternoon while all the windows were all being replaced. Dinah was nowhere to be found. I called to her and she came trotting back from the bottom of the garden.

It was only when her tummy became swollen in the middle if November that I even began to consider what had happened during that day. Once I research that I realised that during this hour or two outside it was not only possible, but very likely she had been mated. She has not shown any interest in going out since that day and I can only think that because the men were in every room that day she fled. Either way, we are now having kittens.

So, since then I have offered kitten food, which she won't switch too, although she is eating three times her normal amount. I can feel the kittens move and have trimmed around her now swollen and pink nipples (she has long hair on her tummy). We have given her sole use of a sitting room with a nice nest cardboard box filled with blankets, underneath a desk. There is now a blanket draped over the desk to darken it as we are getting near. Dinah seems very content and spends time in this nest but also in other rooms with us and especially likes to stretch out fully on hard wooden floor. Since Christmas Eve my husband and I have alternated sleeping on the sofa in this room so we are there incase she goes into labour. I have a birth pack ready and have read and watched all I can find on cat birth/probs etc.

However, I still have some questions, if anyone can offer any help or point me in the right direction.

Dinah will be getting spayed as soon as possible after the birth. When will the vets do this, generally. How long will someone need to be with her for this (so we can plan time off work if necessary).

How soon can kittens be spayed/neutered - I would like to send the kittens to their forever homes already done?

I have read about getting litter that it is safe incase the kittens eat it. Are these just the recycled paper pellet ones?

What will I need to get ready for the kittens in the coming weeks? How soon do the move out of the nest, where do I house them then (I have to say, I've focused on getting them here safely, but could do with some pointers on what happens after that).

I noticed Dinah's tummy was rounder from 15th November. Most sites say that you would not notice a swollen abdomen until 28days onwards, that would put her due date from between Xmas Eve (hence why we have been sleeping on the sofa since then) and 1st jan. But as you can see we are past that. Has anyone else noticed a rounder tummy before, or is she possibly overdue? The kittens are moving on both sides of her abdomen and are about 4inches long in there.

Does anyone have a link to birth weight/length data.

Does anyone know what things I should record and when, once the kittens are born. Birth weight?, gender (havent the first clue with that) then weigh them how often?

Once Dinah's given birth, do I disturb her to change the bedding in the nest, or leave her in it?

Many, many thanks. I thought I would start a thread now while have the time, as no doubt I will have my hands full very soon, and may have lots more questions.
 

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Dinah will be getting spayed as soon as possible after the birth. When will the vets do this, generally. How long will someone need to be with her for this (so we can plan time off work if necessary).
I will give our usual links in a minute.

Good luck!

Most of these links have been readied by our forumist  Red Top Rescue:

We have a good collection of articles in the Cat Health section which you can access by scrolling up to the brown bar, clicking on Articles,and then choosing the Cat Health section and scrolling through the choices.  To make this super easy for you, I am copying the links regarding birth, delivery and newborns for you here.  After reading this information, let us know if you have any more questions.  And good luck with your approaching new arrivals.

 Birth, Delivery and Newborns

How to Tell if My Cat is Pregnant?

Cat Pregnancy

How Do I Know When My Cat Will Give Birth?

Pregnant Cat? What to Prepare For the Birth

Help! My Cat is Having Kittens!

Premature Kittens

Post-Birth Complications in Cats

And also:

http://www.icatcare.org/advice/my-cat-having-kittens     ( This is a link to a group of articles on cat pregnancy, birth and kittens.   Read the ones on normal cat birth and on " when to wait and when to worry"  )  

Fleece or flannel good to use in the bedding for kittens.
 
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Ps,  You weight them every day at the same time. If the kitten is unstable and need closer observance, even twice a day.

If they are healthy and develop harmonously, you can take it more easy at say 2-3 weeks.   A healthy kitten of 100 gram birthing weigh shall gain daily about 10+ a day, with 6 as the absolute minimum.  Some kittens gain even about 30, but that is not that common.

Very small kittens gets less of course.  
 
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StefanZ - thank you so MUCH! Your answers are fantastic.

I'll calm down and enjoy the waiting game too then.

I do have one more question, now through. Dinah has spent the afternoon in her nest which is under a desk, in a cardboard box with a hole cut out, and the whole desk draped in a blanket. So how do I watch the birth? Do I pull the box out gently and open it up when I know for sure she is in labour? I can see she's in there but would need to point a torch in to see anything else, which will disturb her. Will she bolt if I move the nest at that stage or will she be too distracted?
 

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I do have one more question, now through. Dinah has spent the afternoon in her nest which is under a desk, in a cardboard box with a hole cut out, and the whole desk draped in a blanket. So how do I watch the birth? Do I pull the box out gently and open it up when I know for sure she is in labour? I can see she's in there but would need to point a torch in to see anything else, which will disturb her. Will she bolt if I move the nest at that stage or will she be too distracted?
Good question.  You have perhaps overdone this a trifle...

If she is really anxious / shy, and this is the only way to give her peace of mind, this cant be helped.

But most homecats, loving their Ma, arent that touchy. Most even wants their beloved Ma/Dad being near.   And thus, dont mind if Ma is looking.

An option is to rig up some sort of camera, so you see what happens, without being too close. 
 
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Good question.  You have perhaps overdone this a trifle...

If she is really anxious / shy, and this is the only way to give her peace of mind, this cant be helped.

But most homecats, loving their Ma, arent that touchy. Most even wants their beloved Ma/Dad being near.   And thus, dont mind if Ma is looking.

An option is to rig up some sort of camera, so you see what happens, without being too close. 
Well, I have an answer to that now. I popped in to see her about an hour ago and she came out of her nest (the last couple of times, I've said hi, but deliberately not uncovered or peered in) and low and behold.... When she comes out to me there is a big dark stain on her blanket in the middle if her nest. Of course it's low light, so I lift the cover on the desk and realise it's a pool of bodies!

Clever Dinah has four beautiful glossy black kittens, all placentas gone and all kittens cleaned and sleeping. My scales have given up in me, but they look a great size, with no obvious runt and all are feeding well - will get new scales in the morning. Dinah's already a fab mum and after eating a tin if pilchards as a reward went back to feed them all and cuddle one at the same time too. She is fine with us looking on and loves being stroked while they are feeding, in facts she's purring like mad so seems very proud of herself. And who knew. I've been in and out of that room this afternoon, no strange behaviour, no noise, nothing...just cracking in with the job at hand. I've changed the bedding and she's happy with that too. The children were allowed in to observe the kittens fm a distance. I've handled them as I've helped get them to nipples. And Dinah's still purring at me throughout. What a laid back kitty and a lovely ending to the pregnancy and beginning for the new family.

Be ready for my kitten questions lol....

Will try and pop on a pic.
 

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Congratulations :clap: ;) :party2:

Beautiful mom cat too :heart3: I love those eyes :love:

They all look lovely and heathly just make sure to weigh them around the same time each day.
This is the quickest and best way you realise if anything is wrong if one is not gaining weight.

Being all black and identical you might have problems telling them apart to begin with. I find it a wate of time putting paper collars on, mom cat just rips them off :lol3: With them being so dark colored no food dye is going to show up on them either. I find it easiest to identify them by their weights to begin with. They will all vary slightly in their weights ( when you have weighed them a few times over a few days you will understand what I mean )
As they get older you will just be able to tell the slight diffences between them all.

Enjoy them you won't believe how quickly they grow :D
 

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Wonderful news!  Congrats and luck to mom, babies and GrandMom!

The weighting is good, if everything goes well it will be just a nice memory and perhaps send something to their furever homes.   But if any problems arises, this is often the first possibility to notice there is something amiss.   And also, to know if its getting better after a crisis...

They all seems black, so you must perhaps color them in some way.k Its enough with a spot or so.

Good luck!
 
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Thanks folks!

Phew, it is such a relief that it's all gone well and that she is a natural mother. I'm in absolute awe.

I have borrowed some scales until I can get some tomorrow. All four weigh 105-110g, so brilliant weights.

You are spot on with the not telling them apart, it's impossible at this stage (and I'm not sure it ever will be). Dinah was one if five all black kittens herself, three short hair and two long. (she's actually a very dark chocolate in the light, with grey at the root if you part her fur) I've dabbed their back right paw with a tiny dot of nail varnish and will record the weights this way.

I've tucked them in for bed now and will leave them to have a peaceful night (although am still toying with the sofa, just so the has someone near for her first night as a mum.

Can't resist posting this cuteness-overload...
 
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We have two girls and two boys. They weigh 130g, 130g, 115g and 125g this evening.
 
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