Which would you feed?

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Here are three ingredient lists for both dry and wet food. Which would/wouldn't you feed and why/why not?

Dry Foods

#1
Corn Gluten Meal, Brewers Rice, Chicken Meal, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, Rosemary Extract, Citric Acid and Lecithin), Corn, Dried Whole Egg, Liver Digest, Gravy Mix, Cranberry Meal, Herring Oil, Beet Pulp, Brewers Yeast, Flax Meal, Minerals (Potassium Chloride, Calcium Sulphate, Phosphoric Acid, Zinc Oxide, Zinc Bioplex, Ferrous Sulphate, Iron Bioplex, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulphate, Copper Bioplex, Calcium Iodate and Organic Selenium), DL-Methionine, Fructo-Oligosaccharides, Taurine, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E, Niacin, Inositol, Vitamin C, Thiamine Mononitrate, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A, Folic Acid, Menadione Sodium Bisulphate Complex, Biotin, Vitamin B12 and Vitamin D3), L-Carnitine and L-Glutamine.

#2
Brewers rice, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, pork fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), chicken liver flavor, taurine, preserved with BHT and BHA, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium sulfate, salt, calcium carbonate, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), beta-carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin E supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement).

#3
Corn Grits, Chicken Liver, Chicken By-Product Meal, Chicken, Dried Egg Product, Fish Meal (source of Fish Oil), Chicken By-Products, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Brewers Rice, Natural Chicken Flavor, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E, and Citric Acid), Potassium Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, DL-Methionine, Brewers Dried Yeast, Salt, Zinc Oxide, Vitamin E Supplement, Manganese Sulfate, Niacin, Ascorbic Acid, Copper Sulfate, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Inositol, Folic Acid, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate

Wet Food

#1
Water Sufficient For Processing, Beef, Chicken, Meat By-Products, Chicken Liver, Salmon, Starch, Wheat Gluten, Guar Gum, Minerals (Calcium Sulphate, Salt, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bisulphate, Ferrous Sulphate, Iron Bioplex, Zinc Oxide, Zinc Bioplex, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulphate, Copper Bioplex, Calcium Iodate and Organic Selenium), Caramel, Fructo-Oligosaccharides, Carrageenan, Taurine, Vitamins (Vitamin E, Vitamin C, Thiamine Mononitrate, Niacin, Inositol, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A, Biotin, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin D3, Folic Acid, Vitamin B12 and Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex), L-Carnitine and L-Glutamine.

#2
Pork by-products, water, pork liver, chicken, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), rice, oat fiber, corn meal, starch, corn gluten meal, guar gum, DL-methionine, taurine, brewers dried yeast, minerals (calcium sulfate, dicalcium phosphate, potassium chloride, calcium carbonate, salt, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, thiamine mononitrate, niacin, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement).

#3
Water, Chicken Liver, Chicken, Brewers Rice, Whitefish, Chicken By-Product Meal, Dried Egg Product, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Fish Oil (preserved with Ethoxyquin), Calcium Carbonate, Potassium Chloride, Brewers Dried Yeast, Taurine, Tricalcium Phosphate, DL-Methionine, Salt, Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Oxide, Manganese Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Potassium Iodide, Folic Acid, Menadione Dimethylpyrimidinol Bisulfite (Vitamin K3)
 

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Originally posted by Candy
Here are three ingredient lists for both dry and wet food. Which would/wouldn't you feed and why/why not?

Dry Foods

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Corn Gluten Meal, Brewers Rice, Chicken Meal, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, Rosemary Extract, Citric Acid and Lecithin), Corn, Dried Whole Egg, Liver Digest, Gravy Mix, Cranberry Meal, Herring Oil, Beet Pulp, Brewers Yeast, Flax Meal, Minerals (Potassium Chloride, Calcium Sulphate, Phosphoric Acid, Zinc Oxide, Zinc Bioplex, Ferrous Sulphate, Iron Bioplex, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulphate, Copper Bioplex, Calcium Iodate and Organic Selenium), DL-Methionine, Fructo-Oligosaccharides, Taurine, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E, Niacin, Inositol, Vitamin C, Thiamine Mononitrate, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A, Folic Acid, Menadione Sodium Bisulphate Complex, Biotin, Vitamin B12 and Vitamin D3), L-Carnitine and L-Glutamine.

OR

#3

Corn Grits, Chicken Liver, Chicken By-Product Meal, Chicken, Dried Egg Product, Fish Meal (source of Fish Oil), Chicken By-Products, Dried Beet Pulp (sugar removed), Brewers Rice, Natural Chicken Flavor, Chicken Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols, a source of Vitamin E, and Citric Acid), Potassium Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Choline Chloride, DL-Methionine, Brewers Dried Yeast, Salt, Zinc Oxide, Vitamin E Supplement, Manganese Sulfate, Niacin, Ascorbic Acid, Copper Sulfate, Vitamin A Acetate, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Rosemary Extract, Thiamine Mononitrate (source of Vitamin B1), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (source of Vitamin B6), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin Supplement (source of Vitamin B2), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Inositol, Folic Acid, Potassium Iodide, Cobalt Carbonate



Wet Food

#1
Water Sufficient For Processing, Beef, Chicken, Meat By-Products, Chicken Liver, Salmon, Starch, Wheat Gluten, Guar Gum, Minerals (Calcium Sulphate, Salt, Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Sodium Bisulphate, Ferrous Sulphate, Iron Bioplex, Zinc Oxide, Zinc Bioplex, Manganous Oxide, Copper Sulphate, Copper Bioplex, Calcium Iodate and Organic Selenium), Caramel, Fructo-Oligosaccharides, Carrageenan, Taurine, Vitamins (Vitamin E, Vitamin C, Thiamine Mononitrate, Niacin, Inositol, Beta-Carotene, Vitamin A, Biotin, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin D3, Folic Acid, Vitamin B12 and Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex), L-Carnitine and L-Glutamine.


I see your still trying to decide on a food!


By examining the ingredients, I would pick the one's above. But, because you are trying to pick a food for a specific health problem, I would be more concerned about the success of the product and it's cure rate for crystals. Since you also looking at surgery, I would be picking the food that has the proven success record behind it and using that one.

I have read many times that people first use these products to rid the cat of the crystal problems, then down the line introduce a different food and holistic methods to control the problem. But this may not be an option for you, so I would recommend right now going with proven scientific conclusions on the foods success rate rather than actual ingredients.

It doesn't really matter why I would pick one food over another since my cat doesn't have the same health issues that your cat has. I would be examining success rate and specific foods to avoid according to the health issue as my main criteria in picking a food.

Good luck!
 
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Hehe, yep, still trying to decide. All three foods claim the same success with crystal dissolution.
I am hoping that once they are dissolved, I can switch her to Wysong Uretic, which helps prevents crystal formation but isn't formulated to dissolve crystals. That said, why would you not feed the others?
 

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Well, I'd definately skip #2 on the dry foods because it has BHA and BHT.

I guess for dry i'd go for #3. My reasoning behind this is because when I tried to give my cat a food that had ingredients similar to #1, she broke out in sores. The vet said it was an allergy. I've never discovered what it was in that stuff that caused a problem, but I'm always wary of certian ingredients now


I'd go with #1 for the wet food too. It sounds like it has more meat in it.

From my own personal experience, it's not always the ingredient list that counts. I mean, avoid products that have chemcials like BHA and BHT, but sometimes your cat won't eat the best of foods or the products just aren't "right" for your cat. Sometimes even our own best intentions can have bad results (even with a good ingredient list). Talk to your vet, or get samples of each and try them with your pet. See what they will eat and what seems to make them healthier and more energentic. Good luck
 

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Wow, I'm very sorry but I would have to say none of them here is why

Corn Gluten Meal : Any carbohydrate source followed by the words "Bran", "Flour", "Gluten Meal" or "Hulls" is filler. Fillers hold little to no nutritional value. In fact, corn gluten meal is very nitrogenous and used as an organic weed killer. Fillers are what remain of an ingredient after the healthy, useable part has been removed. The reason they are used in dog foods is because they are a way to "fill" dog food with cheap ingredients rather than the much more expensive whole ingredients.

Preservatives BHA and BHT:BHA and BHT have been shown to cause liver and kidney failure and in high doses have been implicated as carcinogens.

Anything with by-products :By-products are defined by AFCO (Association of American Feed Control Officials) as including but not limited to: lungs, spleen, kidneys, brain, livers, blood, bone, stomach, and intestines free of their contents. Basically, by-products are anything other than the meat you thought you were feeding. This seems bad enough but what is worse (if that's possible) is that many of these materials are diseased and cancerous, termed as unfit for human consumption.

Beet pulp: Beet pulp is one source of fiber with a twist; it swells up to 10 times its original size when it come into contact with fluids. This slows the movement of food through the digestive tract and in effect, allowing more time for moisture to be absorbed. To translate what that really means... if beet pulp were to be removed from the formula, animals would likely have constant diarrhea. What would you say about a food that gave you constant diarrhea? Adding beet pulp to a formula is another low cost way to manufacture a poorer quality food and still keep animals stools hard and small. One thing I have notice is that some foods that are all otherwise good will still had some Beet pulp to there mix...

I'm sorry, I would rather give you good information than suggest you try a food thats not so bad....Also I agree with checking with your vet BUT please take the time to read the ingredients there too. Lots of vets actually get kick backs from the food they sell, IMHO if someone is payed to sell you something you'll probably not get all the info from them, better do lots of checking on your own. Note that most good food will help for your problem as they will not create the crystals in the first place.

Best of luck!
 

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Here are a few good foods ingredient list:

Food 1 Drs. Foster & Smith
Chicken, Chicken Meal, Brown Rice, Whole Barley, Rice, Chicken Fat (naturally preserved with mixed tocopherols, citric acid, and rosemary), Chicken Liver, Fish Meal, Natural Flavor, Whole Ground Flaxseed, Egg Product, Herring Oil, Pea Fiber, Whole Sweet Potatoes, Whole Blueberries, Whole Cranberries, Kelp, DL-Methionine, Potassium Chloride, Taurine, Tomatoes, Vitamin E Supplement, Sodium Ascorbate (source of Vitamin C), Garlic, Dehydrated Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dehydrated Bacillus subtilis Fermentation Product, Dehydrated Bifidobacterium thermophilum Fermentation Product, Dehydrated Bifidobacterium longum Fermentation Product, Dehydrated Enterococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Choline Chloride, Zinc Proteinate (source of chelated Zinc), Iron Proteinate (source of chelated Iron), Zinc Sulfate, Iron Sulfate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Manganese Proteinate (source of chelated Manganese), Vitamin A Supplement, Niacin, Manganese Sulfate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Cobalt Proteinate (source of chelated Cobalt), Riboflavin Supplement, Copper Proteinate (source of chelated Copper), Beta Carotene, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide (source of Iodine), Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Copper Sulfate, Menadione Dimethylpyrimidinol Bisulfite (source of Vitamin K activity), Sodium Selenite.

Food 2 Felidae
Chicken Meal, Turkey Meal, Brown Rice, Lamb Meal, Chicken Fat, (Preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Ascorbic Acid), Menhaden Fish Meal, Eggs, Flax Seed Meal, Sun Cured Alfalfa Meal, Sunflower Oil, Lecithin, Nutritional Yeast, Natural Flavors, Linoleic Acid, Rosemary Extract, Sage Extract, Amaranth, DL Methionine, Taurine, Kelp, Cranberry Meal, Apple Meal, Probiotics, (Freeze Dried Streptococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Freeze Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product), Vitamins A, D-Activated Animal Sterol Vitamin D3, Vitamin E, Vitamin B12, Riboflavin, Niacin, Choline Chloride, Calcium Pantothenate, Folic Acid, Pyridoxine-Hydrochloride, Thiamin, Biotin, Amino Acid Chelated Minerals, Zinc, Manganese, Iron, Copper, Cobalt, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite, Bacillus Subtilis, Yeast Culture, Yucca Schidigera Extract.

Food 3 Wellness
Deboned Chicken, Chicken Meal, Chicken Liver, Ground Brown Rice, Ground Whole Oats, Canola Oil (Preserved With Mixed Tocopherols & Rosemary), Cranberries, Blueberries, Flax Seed, Eggs, Peas, Taurine, Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Spirulina, Norwegian Kelp, Whole Apples, Zucchini, Sweet Potatoes, Yucca Schidigera, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine, Pro-Biotics (Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus), Pre-Biotics (Mannanoligosaccharides), Beta-Carotene, Choline Chloride, Calcium Carbonate, Zinc Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Zinc), Vitamin E Supplement, Zinc Oxide, Ferrous Sulfate, Iron Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Iron), Manganese Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Manganese), Calcium Pantothenate, Niacin Supplement, Sodium Selenite, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Cobalt Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Cobalt), Copper Sulfate, Cobalt Carbonate, Riboflavin Supplement (Vitamin B-2), Copper Proteinate (A Chelated Source Of Copper), Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B-1), Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Menadione Sodium Bisulfite Complex (Source Of Vitamin K Activity).


Note that both Drs. Foster & Smith and Wellness also have canned foods. Ok I am spent!
 
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Thanks catneon. Apparently you haven't seen my other thread here. I would never willingly feed my cats any of the that I listed above but my female has bladder stones and these are three of the prescription diets we are considering for her. I have yet to find anything better than these three. Wysong makes a uretic formula but it's only a preventative diet, not for dissolution. I am hoping to switch her to Wysong when the stones are gone but in the meantime, it's got to be one of these three diets. Unless, of course, you know of a dissolution diet that I have overlooked.
So, if you had to choose, which would you pick given that they are have relatively similar success rates?
 
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Note that most good food will help for your problem as they will not create the crystals in the first place.
I also want to mention that I was feeding a "good" food (Innova) and crystals still formed.
 

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My apologies, I tried quickly to find your thread but didn't locate it. Well I still don't have an opinion on the above other than since water is so important I would go with a canned food...
Do you have access to a holistic vet?
I will PM you.
 
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I have yet to find a good holistic vet in my area.
Even still, although I trust the theory behind holistic treatment, in the case of my cat, I am not willing to take any chances.
If it were a less serious ailment, homeopathy would probably be my first option. I'll be waiting for your PM.
 

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I would feed only dry food. There is really no need for wet food. I confirmed this with my vet today. She says that if nothing else, the dry food is better because the wet stuff stays on his teeth longer and can get into his gums and potentially over a long period of time cause rot.
 
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Well, we decided to go with the wet and dry #1. So far, Syd is eating it...not as willingly as her Innova but she isn't avoiding it either.
 
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