Switching from Alnutrin to separate supplements using CatInfo.Org recipe + HareToday. Anything else

So as the subject says, I'm switching my recipe from Hare-Today protein + Alnutrin, to Hare-Today protein + the specific supplements that Dr. Pierson suggests. 

Here is her supplement recipe for 3lbs:

1 cup water

2 eggs

5000 - 10,000 mg fish oil (5-10 capsules of the average 1,000 mg capsule) 

400 IU (268 mg) Vitamin E (powdered E in capsules is the easiest to use)

50 mg Vitamin B-complex (capsules or tablets)

2,000 mg taurine (use powdered - either in capsules or loose)

1 tsp Morton Lite salt with iodine

Now this recipe assumes you're grinding your own meat, but I'm guessing it's fine to just use Hare-Today with bone instead? 

Also, I plan on doing 12lbs at a time instead of the 3lbs that the recipe calls for. Am I fine just quadrupling the ingredients?

Thanks!

It makes sense that you would just quadruple the 3lb supplement mix for the HT w/ bone. I think you're fine.

Any reason why you're not wanting to use the Alnutrin anymore? I've thought about switching to the separate supplements as well but haven't taken the plunge yet! Probably because I like to make 2lb batches at a time and only using 2/3 of her supplement recipe gives me odd numbers.

I just feel like it'll be cheaper this way, and I have more control over what goes in it.

Yes, that's the recipe I use.  Except that the total meat + liver in her recipe is over 3 lbs, so I use it for 4 lb batches (two 2-lb tubes).  I throw in a bit extra taurine and occasionally add an extra B capsule for extra insurance (both are water soluble).  I also do not use the lite salt for whole animal grinds (e.g. rabbit). 

Mschauer has pointed out that the poultry-based recipes in particular are low on manganese - and Alnutrin includes it.  I've added that in as well (one 10 mg capsule per batch).  I'm also considering adding this multiglandular supplement to the mixes that contain no organs except liver - dose is is 2-3 capsules per 4 lb batch.

http://www.iherb.com/Nutricology-ImmoPlex-Glandular-60-Veggie-Caps/12703?at=0  

Good to know about the manganese. I've already made 24lbs today so I guess it'll have to wait till my next batch. I'm assuming the baby will be OK without it for now?

I'm sure that the baby will be OK. You could always crush a tablet (between two spoons) or empty a capsule and sprinkle a tiny amount on his/her food once every few meals. It'll take you a while to go through 24 lbs, and this way kitty will get the manganese in the meantime.

The kitty is really giving me a lot of grief about this recipe. I really need to trick her into eating it on most days. Also the food seems to go "bad", or at least brown/harden up much quicker than when using Alnutrin. Next time I do this recipe I think I'm going to substitute egg yolk powder instead of real eggs. 

I use Dr. P's recipe, and never get a perfect number when weighing meat/skin/bone.  This past time I made chicken thighs, it came out to about 13 lbs.  I added 1.25 lbs of chicken liver and added Dr. P's supplement recipe as if I had 15 lbs of food.  The Immoplex Glandular supplements I added enough for 13 lbs though.  I always add more taurine to cover oxidation issues.

When using 1 lb chubs, my plan is to use 1/2 or capsule of B vitamins, vitamin E, etc.  Truthfully, I could probably get away with a whole capsule, palatability being the only issue.  When using 5 lb chubs, I'm going to round to 6 lbs when considering Dr. P's supplement recipe.  Her recipe is to make sure we add enough due to losses incurred through oxidation/etc., rather than an exact science.  That said, I would hold off on the manganese until you make the next batch. 

A side note, my cats went crazy over the Alnutrin scoop.  I put it in the sink to be washed, but they kept getting it out to "clean" it themselves.  They loved it!  Maybe there is something to the egg yolk powder idea...

Oh my head is spinning,so many ?'s! I have a new 4 month old kitten that I got a week ago and am feeding a raw diet. I ordered my meat from Hare Today (whole ground/bone/organ)and am also using Dr. P's recipe,or thought
I was, where I'm confused is there different types of Alnutrin? I ordered my taurine from HT and its says Alnutrin but ingredients listed is taurine only. Also the recipe I'm using calls for psyllium husks, where does the magnesium come in? Is it a supplement on its own, or is it contained in something else I'm using? Also how does this play in health wise? My recipe calls for 4.4 lbs of ground, but I add chunks,so can I add enough chunk meat to bring the weight to 6lbs and double the supplements? Since I am using whole ground with organs do I need to add the heart and liver the recipe calls for? The supplements I ordered from iherb and the wild salmon liquid caps I got list nowhere the milligrams so don't know exactly how many to use!!! And 1 last question I have read that when eating raw the poo should be small and dry and my kittens is still long and wet, not diarrhea but definitely not dry. Do you think I should omit the psyllium husks in the next batch. Thanks so much for your patience with me and my 1000 ?'s

Gonna try to address this one by one...

If you ordered Taurine from HT, then you got... Taurine. Alnutrin is a supplement mix that includes a lot of things, one of which being taurine. Taurine is white, Alnutrin is yellow-ish.

I wouldn't use psyllium husks unless you KNOW that your cat needs it. I believe catinfo.org says the same thing. If you're feeding psyllium husks, then your cat needs to be consuming A LOT of water.

I believe the magnesium comes from the bones. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong.

What are you adding chunks of, and why? Where is that meat coming from? If you start with 4.4lbs of ground (seems like a random number to me, I do 10 or 12lbs) and then add 1.6lbs of chunks... why would you be doubling the supplements? 6lbs is not double 4.4lbs. 

Dr. P's recipe assumes you're using freshly ground meat, NOT Hare-Today. There's nothing wrong with Hare-Today, I use it too, but obviously you can't follow Dr. P's recipe precisely if you're using a mix where you don't really know the bone percentage or organ percentage. I do add extra organs to mine, but you can play around with it a bit and see what your cat likes.

Thanks so much for your prompt response. I went back to look at the recipe I used and it is found at cat nutrition.org which mentions Dr P, but this is not her recipe. The chunks I was referring to is chicken and turkey thighs which I cut up,and also ordered from HT. If you have time I would greatly appreciate you looking at the recipe I used and give me your personal opinion. Since I've only made 1 batch and used chicken, I'm getting ready to make a batch with rabbit and would not be opposed to changing to a different recipe. Again thanks for your input!

gmaoftwins, take a deep breath :-) Your kitties will be fine :-)

The catnutrition and Dr. P (catinfo.org) recipes are similar, but not identical. I prefer Dr. P's recipe, mainly because she is a vet (academic bias, I know, but I am an academic myself, and we tend to stick together). You can find the recipe at: http://catinfo.org/?link=makingcatfood#The_Recipe

I would omit the psyllium husks, as HarryLime mentioned.

If you are getting ready to make a batch of rabbit, I would be happy to walk you through it. Just tell me which recipe you would like to use, what kind of rabbit you are using (chunks, etc.), and send me a picture of the salmon oil, and we will take it from there.