Tortie or Calico?

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My entire TNR colony is descended, so I'm told, from one female matriarch, Sophie, and one pattern appears many times in her female progeny, although her black has become diluted to grey. There are distinct color patches on the face, but the body colors are blended, with the exception of a couple of random distinct patches. I called one cat a tortie, but someone else called her a calico.

So, what do you think? Are these cats calicos or torties, or do the definitions simply break down?

 
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WOW - very gorgeous kitties and thank you for TNRing and caring for feral kitties. I would say Torbie Dilute Calico's. I see some tabby stripes hence the "torbie". Very lovely kitties. :love:
 

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I would say torbie (tx Feralv for the observation) or tortie.    As I understand it, Calico demands more of the white, typically the bottom half.  Also, the color patches shall be more distinct.

Btw, the red is diluted into creme, as they do have, thorough from the matriarch downwards.
 

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I would say tortie with white but some people do call any tortie with a significant amount of white calico. But for me, I only consider them calico if they have large, well defined color patches.

The orange bits on a calico or tortie always have tabby stripes because the red gene only comes on tabby. They're only considered torbie if their dark bits also have tabby stripes, and I don't see any dark stripes on any of those cats (well, maybe the last one; the angle makes it difficult to tell). The last 2 are dilutes, the first one isn't.
 

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I have also noticed that a lot of calico cats have a straight line where the black and red come together. Usually on the face or back of head.
 
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I would say tortie with white but some people do call any tortie with a significant amount of white calico. But for me, I only consider them calico if they have large, well defined color patches.

The orange bits on a calico or tortie always have tabby stripes because the red gene only comes on tabby. They're only considered torbie if their dark bits also have tabby stripes, and I don't see any dark stripes on any of those cats (well, maybe the last one; the angle makes it difficult to tell). The last 2 are dilutes, the first one isn't.
I looked at them carefully today at feeding time, and there is no tabby striping on the darker areas. Instead, it's the mottled grey/cream typical of dilute torties.
 

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D david68 have a look at this link below - it explains the difference between a calico and a tortie and white with pics. :D

Basically a calico has larger distinct patches of red and black
A tortie and white doesn't have distinct patches and has a more mottled/speckled look with the red and black blended together.

http://www.thecatsite.com/t/282107/calico-coloring
 

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My entire TNR colony is descended, so I'm told, from one female matriarch, Sophie, and one pattern appears many times in her female progeny, although her black has become diluted to grey. There are distinct color patches on the face, but the body colors are blended, with the exception of a couple of random distinct patches. I called one cat a tortie, but someone else called her a calico.

So, what do you think? Are these cats calicos or torties, or do the definitions simply break down?

First thing is it a male or female because all calicos are female hope this helpes![emoji]128522[/emoji]
 
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First thing is it a male or female because all calicos are female hope this helpes![emoji]128522[/emoji]
From my original post: female matriarch and her female progeny. I'm well aware of the fact that tricolor cats are female except for extremely rare exceptions.
 
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