Help me to identify the breed of my cat

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Hello. I am new to this website. :)

I got a kitten, she is 4 months. I tried to look up regarding cats's breed but I am not quite confident when I tried to match the characteristics that match her. But, I know she is a Domestic Long Hair (DLH). What breed is she possibly mixed with? She has a flat face / high nose. Is she mixed with a Flat face Persian?

i have attached few pictures of her. Sorry if the pictures are unclear. I don't have any proper pictures of her before we shaved her (lion cut).
She is quite playful sometimes and she is afraid of noises (she would run and hide or go to the room where she is familiar with).

Thanks in advanced. :)

 

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She definitely has some Persian in her blood-line somewhere. Very close by. I'm no Persian expert, but she certainly looks very Persian to me.

Love her little Lion Cut! I have a long haired red tabby colored kitty, and I need to get her to the groomers as her fur is getting ridiculously long.
 
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That's what I thought! I think maybe one of her parents is a Persian. And, thanks! We had to shave her because her fur was badly matted & she had fleas (the previous owner didn't take care of her very well). But she's in good hands now, we treat her just like our own daughter. 
 
 

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I agree.  A very persianish look.   She may even be the real thing, not just somewhat mixed in.

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Technically, without papers and proofs, she IS  Domestic long hair.  No doubt.

But her face is her own proof.  Its only modern persians (and their co-siblings the Exotics) who carry this very especial face.   So we know exactly her parentage - persian.

And with SUCH a persian face,  she may even be persian for real.   Count on this, simply.
 
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Thanks for the great explanation. Now I understand. 

It's good to know even though without written proof that is a Persian but she IS a Persian, based on the look on her face. Now I know what exactly her parentage is. :)

What about her coat patterns and colors? Which division does she belong to? All I know is that she Red/Orange in color.   
 

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Thanks for the great explanation. Now I understand.

What about her coat patterns and colors? Which division does she belong to? All I know is that she Red/Orange in color.   
Yes, red and white.  Possibly throw in tabby - there is some sort of M - grooves on her forehead...  If she has stripes on the body I cant know.

I saw once an old british book about cats, where they had the persians divided into at least 10 different breeds - according to their colors.  Nowadays we dont do it. Persian is a persian, although they can have different allowed colors.  The only exceptions are the pointed persians, who are called for Himalayan.  (although to be honest, the Himalayans are usually not so fully flat in the face).

The only real diff are the so called old types persians (doll face persians), still flowing around, not  least because quite a few BYBs and other small breeders, not bothering about Shows nor the modern tendencies, still use the old bloodlines.    These are also quite common in some coutries abroad, for example the so called Shirazi Persian in coutries like Persia and south west Asia.

And right they do.  These old types persians are healthy.   Its possible for a serious breeder to breed forward healthy modern persians with flat faces, but it  demands knowledge and effort.  And quite a few individuals cant be used for breeding, although they do have good looks.   If they risk to send on problems and bad genes, they arent used in breeding programmes, not by a serious breeder.
 

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Shoot! It's beyond cute!!  Persian face, if I ever saw one!  Does he have curly hair, especially around his neck and tommy?  I have a Selkirk Rex and this breed was formed with breeding with persians, so, that's another possibility.

This is Noodles:


Enjoy your lovely, beautiful cat!

Cheers, 

Chela
 
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Enjoy your lovely, beautiful cat!

Cheers, 

Chela
Hi!

Thanks :) Nope, she doesn't have any curly hair/fur. I just googled 'Selkirk Rex' because I never heard of it before. But wow! Such a nice breed. Gotta love the curly fur/hair! Would love to have one. And beautiful cat you got there! :)
 

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Yea, it seems to be a classical tabby pattern. Called also for marmored or blotched tabby.

So, colors are Red  with white (better to say so than  Red and white as I wrote earlier) in colors,  and  classical tabby in pattern, as I can see it.  As you say, the Bulls Eye is much revealing.  :)
 
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Yea, it seems to be a classical tabby pattern. Called also for marmored or blotched tabby.

So, colors are Red  with white (better to say so than  Red and white as I wrote earlier) in colors,  and  classical tabby in pattern, as I can see it.  As you say, the Bulls Eye is much revealing.  :)
OK, I got it now. My kitten is Red with white in colors and classical tabby in pattern. :) Actually, we didn't realize that she has a tabby pattern as her pattern is not quite visible. We only realized after we got her lion shaved and when some of her fur started to grow, then we realized that she has this some kind of pattern on her body. Then you mentioned it again. So my assumption is actually right. Thanks anyway! :)
 

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All red cats have some tabby pattern except for certain exceptions like Abyssinians :D. I don't quite understand the genetics behind it but something about the red gene makes the gene that suppresses tabby striping inactive. Or something like that :tongue2:. But, yeah, it can be hard to see the tabby markings on a longhair. I agree that she's a red classic tabby with white.

It doesn't take long for the extreme flat face to be lost when cross-breeding so I would guess she is purebred Persian. Even if she were half Persian, the flat nose gene just isn't very strong so she'd have at least a slightly longer nose. It takes some very particular breeding to get that flat of a face. She likely didn't come from a very good breeder (although even good breeders sometimes get scammed by dishonest buyers and their kittens may end up in rescue, it's just not common) but they were breeding for flat faces anyway.

She doesn't really look 4 months old to me. They usually don't have such a well-developed coat at that age, still losing the kitten fluffies. Does she have all of her adult teeth? The rescue may have guessed wrong about her age, it can be hard to tell sometimes. If she has her adult "fangs", shes older than 4 months :). If she isn't spayed yet be prepared for her to go into heat at any time, although Persians are generally late bloomers.
 
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All red cats have some tabby pattern except for certain exceptions like Abyssinians
. I don't quite understand the genetics behind it but something about the red gene makes the gene that suppresses tabby striping inactive. Or something like that
. But, yeah, it can be hard to see the tabby markings on a longhair. I agree that she's a red classic tabby with white.

It doesn't take long for the extreme flat face to be lost when cross-breeding so I would guess she is purebred Persian. Even if she were half Persian, the flat nose gene just isn't very strong so she'd have at least a slightly longer nose. It takes some very particular breeding to get that flat of a face. She likely didn't come from a very good breeder (although even good breeders sometimes get scammed by dishonest buyers and their kittens may end up in rescue, it's just not common) but they were breeding for flat faces anyway.

She doesn't really look 4 months old to me. They usually don't have such a well-developed coat at that age, still losing the kitten fluffies. Does she have all of her adult teeth? The rescue may have guessed wrong about her age, it can be hard to tell sometimes. If she has her adult "fangs", shes older than 4 months
. If she isn't spayed yet be prepared for her to go into heat at any time, although Persians are generally late bloomers.
Oh! No wonder. I didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know!
 Yes, what you are saying is indeed true. That's why I was so confused with her breed. Some say she's a DLH because one of her parents might be a DLH. But based on the look on her face, as she has a flat face (high nose), I am quite sure she might be a Purebred Persian.

She is 5 month this month (November). I am not quite sure though. I have checked her teeth, but I not sure about the 'adult' fangs. The fangs look like they are still small..... I guess! Thanks for reminding me about that. I think she should be spayed, soon. Will think about it though. 
 
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