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post #1 of 34
Thread Starter 
Hi all,
After our second ultrasound on my female Sydney, we have found 4-6 small stones in her bladder. The urinalysis is being done as we speak so we will hopefully know what kind of stones they are. What I am looking for is high quality brands that make a urinary formula (for either type of stone). So far, I have only found Wysong and it looks really good but I would still like some other brands. I do not want to feed Hill's or Medi-Cal if I don't have to.
Thanks for your help!

P.S. Mods, feel free to delete this thread as that is not the problem with my cat. Thank you.
post #2 of 34
How about Felidae.
"Cranberry meal is another very important ingredient in both the dry and canned Felidae. As most cat owners know, cats are prone to urinary track problems. Felidae will not cure the problem (as a matter of fact no food will), but it will help to maintain urinary tract health and prevent the problem. Cranberry works to coat the lining of the kidneys and urinary tract. By doing this you are lessening the chance of your cat getting a UTI. The pH of both the dry and canned food are very low (dry pH of 5.6, canned pH of 6) making it a great food to feed a cat who has been treated for a UTI or if your vet is concerned about the pH level for prevention of UTI."

Good luck with your baby
post #3 of 34
May I ask why you do not wish to feed hills? My cats are are Hills prescription c/d and it is a wonderful food. No stones or blockages since I began (had 3 cats with problems BEFORE). Their coats are all super healthy and shiny. And, it may cost a bit more, but a whole lot less than the bladder stone operation or the catheterization to open up the urethra.
post #4 of 34
Originally posted by Hell603
How about Felidae.
The pH of both the dry and canned food are very low (dry pH of 5.6, canned pH of 6)
Is this info. quoted from their website?
Im curious because when I emailed them and asked what urine ph their dry and canned cat foods were formulated to maintain they told me 6.5 - 7.0 which I thought was rather high. Maybe they accidently gave me the wrong info.
post #5 of 34
Thread Starter 
Thanks Helen...I will check into Felidae.

Jen, price is no object when it comes to my cats. Wysong will actually cost more than feeding Hill's...so that is not my reason. My reasons lie in the quality of the ingredients (or lack thereof) in the food. It is easy to see the difference...

Hill's c/d
Brewers rice, chicken by-product meal, corn gluten meal, pork fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), chicken liver flavor, taurine, preserved with BHT and BHA, minerals (potassium chloride, calcium sulfate, salt, calcium carbonate, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), beta-carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin E supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate, riboflavin, pyridoxine hydrochloride, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement).
Wysong Uretic
Chicken, Chicken Giblets, Ground Oat Groats, Fish Oil, Salt, Dried Whey, DL-Methionine, Taurine, L-Lysine, Eggs, Plums, Poultry Fat (preserved with mixed Tocopherols as a source of vitamin E), Whole Egg, Ground Wheat, Dried Wheat Grass Powder, Dried Barley Grass Powder, Whey, Dried Yogurt, Lecithin, Citric Acid, Natural Extractives of Sage, Natural Extractives of Rosemary, Dried Kelp, Garlic, Black Pepper, Artichoke, Dried Bacillus subtilis Fermentation Product, Dried Entercococcus faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus casei Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus lactis Fermentation Product, Dried Saccharomyces cerevisiae Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus niger Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus oryzae Fermentation Product, Ascorbic Acid, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin Supplement, Manganese Proteinate, Calcium Pantothenate, Thiamine Mononitrate, Copper Proteinate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, Folic Acid, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement.
I am not going to feed my cats something filled with by-products, corn and artificial preservatives when I can feed a higher quality food. I am not crazy about the poultry fat in the Wysong (would rather they specify the poultry) but overall I think it's a better food. But that's just my opinion. I do not doubt the results you've achieved on Hill's, I just prefer not to feed it to my cats.
post #6 of 34
Thread Starter 
Sorry, another question...Helen, was the description you posted for their "All life stages" food, or a specialty diet? The ingredients for the "All life stages" look great.
post #7 of 34
I can certainly see the difference in ingredients, but in my case, I can't argue against success. I would alawys wonder in the back of my mind if the ingredients (no matter how bad they might seem) are the REASON for that success.
post #8 of 34
Thread Starter 
I'm not arguing with your success either. From my research, the most important treatment is to make the urine more acidic (in this case) or basic, depending on which type of crystals are present, and both foods claim to do that. My cats are eating Innova right now and I see now reason to give them a lower quality diet just because one needs a prescription diet. To each their own, I don't judge you for feeding Hill's and I would hope you don't judge me for feeding whatever it is that I decide to feed.
post #9 of 34

This is the site where I got the info:

post #10 of 34
Thread Starter 
Helen, do you use Felidae yourself? And if you do, how do you (and your cats) like it?
post #11 of 34
Candy, I sent you a private message with further info! Check your mail!

post #12 of 34
Thread Starter 
Thanks! I responded.
post #13 of 34
Thread Starter 
Okay, vet just called. Syd has calcium oxalate crystals so we are going to have to make her urine more basic. Anyone have suggestions? My vet says he can order just about any food...I just have to ask.
post #14 of 34
Thread Starter 
Anyone have experience with Innovative Veterinary Diets? I can't seem to get much info on the brand.
post #15 of 34
Candy - I would but my very finiky guy thought it was too bland and it is bland- I tried it.

However I did find something else on the same line as Felidae it's called Life's Abundance and I swear by it. And does NOT contain corn, wheat, dairy, by-products, artificial colors or flavors found in other leading brands.

Here is the link to their website in case you want to take a peek:


...and Loki loves it!!

All the best Helen
post #16 of 34
PS; It also only uses Human grade meats!!
post #17 of 34
Ok it's me again. Here are the ingredients for Life's Abundance

.No corn or wheat
.No dairy
.No by-products
.No artificial colors or flavors
.No chemical preservatives added
.High quality chicken meal, egg, chicken liver meal,
herring meal and turkey meal, all derived from
human-grade processing plants
.Nutrient dense with vitamins, minerals, fats,
essential fatty acid and taurine
.Powerful antioxidants from patented grape seed
extract process
.Probiotics for a healthy digestive tract
.Highly digestible

INGREDIENTS: Chicken Meal, Ground Brown Rice, Chicken Fat (Preserved with Natural Mixed Tocopherols (Vitamin E)), Dried Beet Pulp, Egg Product, Herring Meal, Brewers Dried Yeast, Chicken Liver Meal, Flax Seed Meal, Fish Oil, Turkey Meal, Lecithin, Potassium Chloride, Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, Lactobacillus casei fermentation product, Bifido bacterium bifidium fermentation product, Streptococcus faecium fermentation product, Aspergillus oryzae fermentation product, Alfalfa Sprouts, Wheat Grass, D/L Methionine, L-Lysine, Taurine, Calcium Carbonate, Ascorbic Acid, Grape Seed Extract, Rosemary, Vitamin E Supple-ment, Niacin Supplement, Biotin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavin Supplement, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Citric Acid, Menadione Dimethylpyrimidinol Bisulfate (Source of Vitamin K Activity), Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganese Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Sodium Selenite, Calcium Iodate.
post #18 of 34
Thread Starter 
Phew, glad to know I'm not the only one that tests the cat food. Life's Abundance looks very similar to what I am looking for but they don't carry a specialty line (as far as I can see).
post #19 of 34

But neither does Felidae - it is the one for all live stages.

post #20 of 34
Thread Starter 
Actually Felidae isn't going to work anymore because they are calcium oxalate so the lower pH will only cause problems. I am finding that most diets that indicate urinary benefits are lowering the pH...too bad they aren't struvite.
post #21 of 34
Thread Starter 
My female, Sydney, has recently been diagnosed (through ultrasound and urinalysis) with calcium oxalate stones in her bladder. My vets first suggestion was to try a prescription diet. I have read that these diets can take months to work, and sometimes never do. On the other hand, having the stones removed almost immediately relieves symptoms. So, should I go ahead with the surgery and forego the food for a quick but more invasive recovery, or should I try the food out? My biggest fear is that she will end up blocked and we all know that can be fatal. Does anyone have experience or advice?
post #22 of 34
Thanks for posting the site Helen.
post #23 of 34

Perhaps you can also approach this from another angle as well and increase the water intake of your cat. Provide more than one source of water for Syd, including a fountain because cats are curious about running water and tend to drink more. Use distilled water only to prevent introducing any more minerals into Syd's system than normal. Set out bowls of chicken broth, and beef broth as well as add water to canned and dry food that you give Syd.
post #24 of 34
Candy I also merged your threads together for continuity.
post #25 of 34
I have a persian stud who developed struvite crystals. Fortunately I picked it up really quickly and no damage was done. The vet put him onto Hills cd for a month and I was then advised by the vet for him to stay on Hills cds thereafter. He responded well and never had a problem again. I was concerned about the high acid affecting his fertility and recently heard about the Royal Canin Vet Prescription Urinary food. This prevents and treats BOTH types of crystals, the struvite and oxylate. My boy seems fine on it and he loves the taste. I'm very happy with the food and am not sure if I am imagining it, but his coat seems better since the change to Royal Canin.
post #26 of 34
Thread Starter 
Perhaps you can also approach this from another angle as well and increase the water intake of your cat. Provide more than one source of water for Syd, including a fountain because cats are curious about running water and tend to drink more. Use distilled water only to prevent introducing any more minerals into Syd's system than normal. Set out bowls of chicken broth, and beef broth as well as add water to canned and dry food that you give Syd.
Hehe, great minds think alike. Syd has three normal water bowls, and a Drinkwell Pet fountain (great investment). Since being diagnosed, we have switched to distilled water. For about a year now, she has been getting a couple tablspoons of wet food mixed with 1/4-1/2 cup of water and we have recently added the chicken broth method on top of that. My vet was worried that there might be propylene glycol in the wet food so we took her off after we found out she was slightly anemic and substituted the chicken broth. I am going to take the food we feed into him and ask if it's okay to keep feeding.

She seems to be relatively unaffected by the stones, she's eating, pooping, and playing just as hard. It's only her urination that seems to be affected. I am really leaning towards removing them...but is it too dangerous?
post #27 of 34
I can't answer that one Candy, because there are so many factors that weigh into it. The competency of your vet, what anesthesia they use, the health of your cat, the age? All that factors into deciding a surgery. Just like people, there are high risk factors anytime you are put under. I would just talk to your vet and make an informed decision. It also depends on the level of pain your cat is in now, and what level she will be in come the future. All those things weigh into the issue at hand, and no one can guide you better than your vet.
post #28 of 34
Thread Starter 
True hissy. Thanks. I am going to talk to my vet on Monday and see what he has to say. I guess I just want to make her better ASAP.
post #29 of 34
When our Ashely had crystals we didn't find them until they had to be surgically removed (and that was very painful for the cat and our wallet). He was put on Hills S/D wet and dry for 1 month then on R/D wet and dry for maintence. It may not have been the best, but it kept him alive and healthy for the last 2yrs of his life.

As for the IVD, we fed that to our dog Sampson for heart problems. He didn't like the Hills prescription foods very much and, at 17yrs of age, we were happy to try anything for him. He liked the flavor better and ate it well. It kept him going strong until 18.
post #30 of 34
Thread Starter 
Thanks Aimee. How long was Ashley sore for? I am really considering it for Syd if it isn't too dangerous. I don't want her suffering for months while we wait to see if the food is going to help.

Can you comment on the ingedients in IVD? I can't find the information anywhere.
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