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I am sorry you haven't had success with the food so far.  If you can get the Royal Canin then you are probably best starting with that.  I looked at Zooplus and Pet Planet which is another company I have used in the past and neither ship to your location.

With regard to feeding part prescription diet part other foods, my understanding is that the prescription diet has to be the main food and anything else fed has to be a very small percentage, like feeding snacks which is why I use the Thrive freeze dried ones as it is mostly low protein that bothers me.  A small sardine in water would be another example.  I've been advised that i you feed more of another food the effectiveness of the dental food will be reduced and defeat the purpose.  

If you don't have success sourcing the dental prescription food you might want to take a look at the Raw and Home Cooked forum in Nutrition as many members here who have cats with dental problems feel raw feeding has helped. If you are interested in going down that route I am sure others in that forum will be more than happy to support and advise you on what to do.  I have not done this as Mouse;s immune system is a bit compromised with feline herpes and my vets are not too keen on me going that route.  Also, my attempts with the home cooking were a disaster! LoL - Mouse did NOT appreciate my efforts. :-(

For the brushing:  I started with just letting him lick the paste off my finger and moved on to rubbing gums with my finger, and then introduced the finger brush with treats before and after.  Mouse is pretty good with most things and lets me do what ever I have to without much fuss though so I have had an easy time of it so far.  I do try to use the brush about once a week still - his gums are much better now than when he was one or two years old.  I figure it is better to have him happy with the routine and not to run away or get distressed than to brush - the enzymes will still help a lot and if your cat gets upset and starts to run off you probably won't even get that far!   If Mouse has a day where he doesn't even fancy licking my finger to get the paste I do pretty much what you do and smear a bit on for him to lick but I put it around his lips so it doesn't get trampled on my floor!

Lulu is a cute name - hi to you both from me and Mouse.  
 
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I am sorry you haven't had success with the food so far.  If you can get the Royal Canin then you are probably best starting with that.  I looked at Zooplus and Pet Planet which is another company I have used in the past and neither ship to your location.

With regard to feeding part prescription diet part other foods, my understanding is that the prescription diet has to be the main food and anything else fed has to be a very small percentage, like feeding snacks which is why I use the Thrive freeze dried ones as it is mostly low protein that bothers me.  A small sardine in water would be another example.  I've been advised that i you feed more of another food the effectiveness of the dental food will be reduced and defeat the purpose.  

If you don't have success sourcing the dental prescription food you might want to take a look at the Raw and Home Cooked forum in Nutrition as many members here who have cats with dental problems feel raw feeding has helped. If you are interested in going down that route I am sure others in that forum will be more than happy to support and advise you on what to do.  I have not done this as Mouse;s immune system is a bit compromised with feline herpes and my vets are not too keen on me going that route.  Also, my attempts with the home cooking were a disaster! LoL - Mouse did NOT appreciate my efforts. :-(

For the brushing:  I started with just letting him lick the paste off my finger and moved on to rubbing gums with my finger, and then introduced the finger brush with treats before and after.  Mouse is pretty good with most things and lets me do what ever I have to without much fuss though so I have had an easy time of it so far.  I do try to use the brush about once a week still - his gums are much better now than when he was one or two years old.  I figure it is better to have him happy with the routine and not to run away or get distressed than to brush - the enzymes will still help a lot and if your cat gets upset and starts to run off you probably won't even get that far!   If Mouse has a day where he doesn't even fancy licking my finger to get the paste I do pretty much what you do and smear a bit on for him to lick but I put it around his lips so it doesn't get trampled on my floor!

Lulu is a cute name - hi to you both from me and Mouse.  
Thank you for your quick reply and for taking the time to check the shipment possibility. Appreciate it.

My cat really tends to bite, so I would not try to stick my finger inside his mouth, but will try to make him lick it from a brush, and then slowly get it further.

I'm using a children's brush because I could not find any cat brushes. Do you use any special brush  that you recommend. I can order it online.

I guess I'll have to go for RC dental food then.

Thank you again. :)
 

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I give Mr. Poe a raw chicken gizzard almost every night. It's very tough and he has to gnaw and gnaw on it.
 

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For the brush, the one I use is a little silicon brush that fits on like a thimble so your cat can lick the paste off it and then you can rub it around their mouth and if they chew down it saves your finger!   Mouse was really bad for biting when he was younger too and I'd laugh saying he loved the tooth routine so much because it was when he was allowed to chew my finger and not get told off.  LoL.  He knows better these days.   A child's toothbrush might be hard to manage and not slip too far in the mouth and maybe hurt but if you find it OK and it is very soft bristle I imagine it is OK.  Using some cotton gauze wound round your finger, or a cotton wool bud is also fine but only use each bit  once.  Someone in another recent post suggested using bits of nylon tights rather than the cotton gauze which I imagine would work well too as it would be slightly abrasive without being too hard which would hurt him.  The dental biscuits scrape the plaque off the teeth to reduce any build up of plaque and tartar so once you start with that the brushing rather than simply licking the toothpaste will hopefully be enough for him.
 
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I give Mr. Poe a raw chicken gizzard almost every night. It's very tough and he has to gnaw and gnaw on it.
Do you serve it cooked or not? Because I read that only lean meat can be given uncooked to cats.
 
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For the brush, the one I use is a little silicon brush that fits on like a thimble so your cat can lick the paste off it and then you can rub it around their mouth and if they chew down it saves your finger!   Mouse was really bad for biting when he was younger too and I'd laugh saying he loved the tooth routine so much because it was when he was allowed to chew my finger and not get told off.  LoL.  He knows better these days.   A child's toothbrush might be hard to manage and not slip too far in the mouth and maybe hurt but if you find it OK and it is very soft bristle I imagine it is OK.  Using some cotton gauze wound round your finger, or a cotton wool bud is also fine but only use each bit  once.  Someone in another recent post suggested using bits of nylon tights rather than the cotton gauze which I imagine would work well too as it would be slightly abrasive without being too hard which would hurt him.  The dental biscuits scrape the plaque off the teeth to reduce any build up of plaque and tartar so once you start with that the brushing rather than simply licking the toothpaste will hopefully be enough for him.
Thank you.

Lulu has started to show lower interest in food :( even when I give him his treat, he tries to lick it instead of the usual wild chewing.

Today, I switched his diet to applwas dry food for now, and his appointment with the vet is after one week, so I hope he still eats until then. Because their will only sell RC dental food with a prescription.

My understanding is that dental food has bigger chunks that conventional dry food, so it scrapes the food remains. I hope that convential dry food is made in bigger chunks by default. This will really help as a preventive measure.

Is this how the brush should look like:



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It is incorrect that only lean red meat can be served uncooked to cats. Really, cats can eat any raw poultry, meat if you the human follow common sense precautions like: don't leave meat sitting on the counter for five hours and then feed it to your cat.
Small bones (UNCOOKED UNCOOKED) are great for cleaning teeth. Chicken wings (the smallest part) are really good to start off a cat.
 

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I guess Applwas would help--provided your cat chews the food and doesn't swallow it whole.
 

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@Taty Caty  The toothbrush that comes with the Logic toothpaste I use with Mouse looks more like this one:


I'm sure the one you can get supplied with the CET works just as well and as it looks less bulky probably preferable for the cat.

The dental food Mouse gets is large roundish biscuits that he has to crunch in to and break up to eat - he leaves loads of crumbs in the process.  Normal dry food is in smaller biscuits that cats tend to swallow whole and they don't scrape the teeth like the prescription ones.
 

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It is incorrect that only lean red meat can be served uncooked to cats. Really, cats can eat any raw poultry, meat if you the human follow common sense precautions like: don't leave meat sitting on the counter for five hours and then feed it to your cat.
Small bones (UNCOOKED UNCOOKED) are great for cleaning teeth. Chicken wings (the smallest part) are really good to start off a cat.
I've been considering raw food a long ago. I think God created them to eat raw stuff, and this is the best diet they can get. It is the issue of practicality and convenience that concerns me.

Just curious, when you give your cat say a chicken wing, wouldn't he just jump and toss it every where before he eats it? Lulu used to do that when I used to give him a cooked chicken thighs (before I know that cooked bones are dangerous).

Is not having him do that will contaminate the floor and the surfaces it touches with the bacteria the raw food has, which might be harmful to human (salmonella for instance)

I don't have a freezer in my place, but I have access to one in the same building. How long can I keep raw food in the fridge? 24 Hours?

Sorry for my many questions.

Appreciate it. :)
 
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@Taty Caty  The toothbrush that comes with the Logic toothpaste I use with Mouse looks more like this one:


I'm sure the one you can get supplied with the CET works just as well and as it looks less bulky probably preferable for the cat.

The dental food Mouse gets is large roundish biscuits that he has to crunch in to and break up to eat - he leaves loads of crumbs in the process.  Normal dry food is in smaller biscuits that cats tend to swallow whole and they don't scrape the teeth like the prescription ones.
 
@Taty Caty  you might be interested in this other recent thread I have just noticed in the Raw and Home Cooked section of the Nutrition forum.  

http://www.thecatsite.com/t/287461/kittys-oral-health-hygiene-while-feeding-raw/0_100

The OP has started a thread asking for dietary advice for their cat who has some dental issues and the information might answer some of the questions you have from comments made here in your thread.
Thank you for the answers, appreciate it. :)

Cool, I'll look at the thread now.

I'm considering raw food seriously , although it is not very convenient for me. The other issue is that his vet warned me and said that indoor cats don't have strong immune system as wild ones, and he might get sick if I raw-feed him. But frankly, I don't believe him :p

Thank you again, and sorry for my non-ending questions. :)
 

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Just curious, when you give your cat say a chicken wing, wouldn't he just jump and toss it every where before he eats it?
It depends on the cat; some do, some don't. Ritz never has.

Is not having him do that will contaminate the floor and the surfaces it touches with the bacteria the raw food has, which might be harmful to human (salmonella for instance) Unless the human eats off the floor or counter, I don't think that would be a problem.

I don't have a freezer in my place, but I have access to one in the same building. How long can I keep raw food in the fridge? 24 Hours? You can keep raw food in the frige for around three days depending on how fresh the meat is to begin with. (I buy meat @ 50% off when I can so need to refrigerate/freeze it promptly).

Sorry for my many questions.
Do read some of the articles on the Raw and Home Cooked forum, and feel free to post questions about raw feeding on that forum.
Appreciate it. :)
PS: I don't think I did the quotes right .... :)
 
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