Caraneengan is used in lab rats to promote inflammatory diseases as well as many other diseases,so I stay away from canned foods that contain it. However my cat was never diagnosed as having Ibd, she was having constant gas and diarrhea from eating foods with caraneengan in it. The minute I took the foods away with the caraneengan in it , she was better. It is sad that these companies do not want to address the problem, but when owners start realizing it, the'll stop buying these foods.. Wellness , merrick ,Bf ,taste of the wild and many more companies are still using it. Hounds and Gatos doesn't and is rated one of the best cat foods out there,although they use gums, it is still better than carraneengan, As for the Stella and chewys, soak in warm water for a minute or so, then add to the canned food you are using. Some of the my cats love it soaked and "tear" it apart when they eat it just like in the wild. Wild calling is another brand to try but I always mix with another brand for variety. They do use brewers yeast in their food, I'm going to ask the store owner who I buy from and see what she thinks and will let U know. Give hounds and Gatos a try and mix some soaked Stella and Chewys in , start out with a little at a time, and see what happens . Good Luck !!!! U may of found a CURE !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Royal Canin food change?
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Certain foods may be a "cure" for some kitties and their individual situations, but not all cats will do well with any one food. There are no absolutes. My Sebastian is allergic to guar gum. He reacts terribly to it. This is what happens to his ears:
The first picture on the left was 3-5 days into eating Hound & Gatos Rabbit. The picture on the right was after eating Blue Wilderness Turkey. He's not allergic to rabbit or turkey or the duck liver in H&G rabbit. It took some trial and error to pinpoint the culprit, but since I've eliminated all foods with guar gum, his ears are clean and bright and no issues (he does have a couple scars from the hives). This is only what I can see on the outside. Who knows what it was doing to his insides.
Here's a recent article on guar gum: http://catcentric.org/2014/04/14/pet-food-ingredients-to-avoid-guar-gum/
I'm not dissing H&G by any means. I have heard of kitties doing very well with it. My point is that Sebastian did not do well with it. And I'm sure there are foods Sebastian does well with that other kitties don't. It can be a lot of trial and error to find what works. It took me 8 months to settle on a rotation of foods that work for Sebastian under the direction of a holistic vet. And we're constantly revisiting the menu.
The first picture on the left was 3-5 days into eating Hound & Gatos Rabbit. The picture on the right was after eating Blue Wilderness Turkey. He's not allergic to rabbit or turkey or the duck liver in H&G rabbit. It took some trial and error to pinpoint the culprit, but since I've eliminated all foods with guar gum, his ears are clean and bright and no issues (he does have a couple scars from the hives). This is only what I can see on the outside. Who knows what it was doing to his insides.
Here's a recent article on guar gum: http://catcentric.org/2014/04/14/pet-food-ingredients-to-avoid-guar-gum/
I'm not dissing H&G by any means. I have heard of kitties doing very well with it. My point is that Sebastian did not do well with it. And I'm sure there are foods Sebastian does well with that other kitties don't. It can be a lot of trial and error to find what works. It took me 8 months to settle on a rotation of foods that work for Sebastian under the direction of a holistic vet. And we're constantly revisiting the menu.
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Thanks for the recommendations @DonnaJean! A local food store has some of these brands. I may go and try to pick up something. I'm trying to research the food first.
However, I'm at the point where I need to open another bag of RC PD kibbles to supplement the canned food (trying to get him off the kibbles though). I hate to open the bag, but I think I need to open it. Maybe I can pick up some kibbles, but I need them now!
Ziwipeak seems well rated. One person noted that the formula recently changed-making it more pate like. Has anyone tried it? Has Ziwipeak had any safety issues (recalls)? I'm not sure whether to keep them on the RC canned PD for now and try new kibbles for my boy. I don't want to change too much at once because I won't know what is working and what is not.
@GoHolistic Poor Sebastian!
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I am not sure how to edit my post. I also need to look into how to transition food.
I don't know about the consistency of Ziwipeak, but yes, they changed their formulas. They removed carrageenan and replaced it with agar-agar. Some people say they are almost the same thing and that it's not much of an improvement. I have not done enough research on it to offer my opinion.
I would suggest starting another thread in Cat Nutrition specifically about transitioning. Before you do, you may want to check out these TCS articles:
http://www.thecatsite.com/a/transitioning-free-fed-kibble-kitties-to-timed-meals
http://www.thecatsite.com/a/transit...-to-a-new-type-of-food-canned-raw-or-homemade
I just realized I never got back to this. Here is the label information for Royal Canin Selected Protein Adult PR (pea and rabbit) canned cat food.
INGREDIENTS ON OLD LABEL (still says "Hypoallergenic")
Water sufficient for processing, rabbit, rabbit liver, pea flour, vegetable oil, pea protein, natural flavors, fish oil, carrageenan, taurine, calcium sulfate, sodium tripolyphosphate, choline chloride, vitamins [DL-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), niacin supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), biotin, D-calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement (vitamin B2), pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, folic acid, vitamin D3 supplement], trace minerals (zinc proteinate, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, sodium selenite, calcium iodate), marigold extract (Tagetes erecta L.).
INGREDIENTS ON NEW LABEL
Water sufficient for processing, rabbit, rabbit liver, pea flour, vegetable oil, pea protein, natural flavors, fish oil, calcium carbonate, carrageenan, calcium sulfate, taurine, DL-methionine, cysteine, sodium tripolyphosphate, glycine, choline chloride, vitamins [DL-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), inositol, niacin supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), D-calcium pantothenate, biotin, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), riboflavin supplement, thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), vitamin A acetate, folic acid, vitamin B12 supplement, vitamin D3 supplement], trace minerals [zinc proteinate, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, manganese proteinate, copper proteinate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite], potassium chloride, marigold extract (Tagetes erecta L.).
As I mentioned previously, the main ingredients seem to be unchanged (on paper), but it's possible that they could have changed their suppliers / sources. I've noted additions to the new formula in red.
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Thank you.
I think that is very possible. Also, they could have tweaked the "natural flavorings." I understand that "natural flavorings" frequently refers to some unfavorable ingredient that the company does not want to list.
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All I know is I asked a receptionist at the vet's office who is usually the one who puts the stock of food when it comes in away. She didn't know anything about the change. This was before I even knew about a change. All I noticed was the smell was different and the color was darker and the consistency wasn't as creamy.
The person who does the ordering didn't say anything to me either about any changes.
All I know is Boo won't even give it a second "sniff" now and I will be taking it back to get in house credit for it..
I would imagine that they have changed the RC Duck in cans also ?
My problem is I have only three local pet supply stores, Petco, Petsmart and Pet Supplies Plus and Petco is not very accomodating when asking if they can order something for you in another protein source even if they stock the brand (ex: Nutrisource chicken and you ask for it in Turkey)... Pet Suppies Plus is usually awesome about special ordering but they seem to stock at their store a lot of "fish" canned foods (Tiki cat Fish only no chocken).
I can not buy Ziwipeak, Hounds & Gatos, First Mate, Addiction , Weruva locally..
The person who does the ordering didn't say anything to me either about any changes.
All I know is Boo won't even give it a second "sniff" now and I will be taking it back to get in house credit for it..
I would imagine that they have changed the RC Duck in cans also ?
My problem is I have only three local pet supply stores, Petco, Petsmart and Pet Supplies Plus and Petco is not very accomodating when asking if they can order something for you in another protein source even if they stock the brand (ex: Nutrisource chicken and you ask for it in Turkey)... Pet Suppies Plus is usually awesome about special ordering but they seem to stock at their store a lot of "fish" canned foods (Tiki cat Fish only no chocken).
I can not buy Ziwipeak, Hounds & Gatos, First Mate, Addiction , Weruva locally..
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I agree ... I am going to Try to eliminate Guar Gum first.... I really feel there is something to these "gums" perhaps ... If not perhaps it is the combo of them and the Carrageenan.The first picture on the left was 3-5 days into eating Hound & Gatos Rabbit. The picture on the right was after eating Blue Wilderness Turkey. He's not allergic to rabbit or turkey or the duck liver in H&G rabbit. It took some trial and error to pinpoint the culprit, but since I've eliminated all foods with guar gum, his ears are clean and bright and no issues (he does have a couple scars from the hives). This is only what I can see on the outside. Who knows what it was doing to his insides.
Here's a recent article on guar gum: http://catcentric.org/2014/04/14/pet-food-ingredients-to-avoid-guar-gum/
I'm not dissing H&G by any means. I have heard of kitties doing very well with it. My point is that Sebastian did not do well with it. And I'm sure there are foods Sebastian does well with that other kitties don't. It can be a lot of trial and error to find what works. It took me 8 months to settle on a rotation of foods that work for Sebastian under the direction of a holistic vet. And we're constantly revisiting the menu.
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I have not noticed a change in the overall appearance of the RC PD canned food. However, it has flucuated from batch to batch where it seems a bit different--more watery or somewhat different. I don't have an older can to compare.
All I know is I asked a receptionist at the vet's office who is usually the one who puts the stock of food when it comes in away. She didn't know anything about the change. This was before I even knew about a change. All I noticed was the smell was different and the color was darker and the consistency wasn't as creamy.
The person who does the ordering didn't say anything to me either about any changes.
All I know is Boo won't even give it a second "sniff" now and I will be taking it back to get in house credit for it..
I would imagine that they have changed the RC Duck in cans also ?
The RC PD canned food ingredients are:
Water sufficient for processing, duck, duck liver, pea flour, duck by-product meal, pea protein, vegetable oil, carrageenan, fish oil, carob bean gum, calcium sulfate, natural flavors, taurine, DL-methionine, choline chloride, cysteine, potassium chloride, glycine, vitamins [L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), niacin supplement, DL-alpha tocopherol acetate (source of vitamin E), thiamine mononitrate (vitamin B1), biotin, D-calcium pantothenate, riboflavin supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin B12 supplement, folic acid, vitamin D3 supplement], trace minerals [zinc proteinate, zinc oxide, ferrous sulfate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, sodium selenite, calcium iodate], marigold extract (Tagetes erecta L.).
This seems different from the RC Rabbit. It's possible that they may change the PD as well. I hope that they do not. My best guess is that RC changed suppliers on a major ingredient, such as the rabbit. I will keep an eye out on the PD ingredients.
I have noticed that some of the websites seem to sell individual cans of food. You might want to check it out (have not ordered from them or researched them):
My problem is I have only three local pet supply stores, Petco, Petsmart and Pet Supplies Plus and Petco is not very accomodating when asking if they can order something for you in another protein source even if they stock the brand (ex: Nutrisource chicken and you ask for it in Turkey)... Pet Suppies Plus is usually awesome about special ordering but they seem to stock at their store a lot of "fish" canned foods (Tiki cat Fish only no chocken).
I can not buy Ziwipeak, Hounds & Gatos, First Mate, Addiction , Weruva locally..
http://www.onlynaturalpet.com/products/ZiwiPeak-Daily-Cuisine-Grain-Free-Canned-Cat-Food/311020.aspx
They had a pop up for free shipping (no mimimum purchase) and 15% off your first order. I think some of the other websites sell individual cans as well. I seriously considered Rayne, but it makes me uncomfortable that you can only buy it from a single source. If they run out, I'm not sure what I would do. In the meantime, I'm working on getting my boy off the PD kibbles because I think it's causing him problems. Once I do, I will reevaluate the canned food.
@PrimeCat thank you for positing this! In September I came across the exact same thing. My Buddy was eating the vet prescribed RC's wet PR formula for several months (I hate RC, but at the time it had stopped his IBD symptoms for awhile so I stuck with it). I bought a new case from my vet's office and when I opened the can it was significantly darker in color and much drier. It didn't have chunks in it, but it definitely had more texture to it (it's important that Buddy's food is easy to digest so this was a red flag). I had just used up the last can from the last case earlier that day so I dug it out of the garbage and compared the color to the bits left in the old can and was right. I compared the ingredients on the two cans and they were exactly the same, but I guess that doesn't mean that they changed the amounts of the ingredients in the food. The next case I got after that was back to the light color, so weird. I had contacted RC via email and they wanted me to call them, but shortly after that Buddy wouldn't eat the PR and had a flare up of his IBD (and it was bad, now they think he could have small cell lymphoma, but without a biopsy it cannot be confirmed so lots of tough decisions to determine a treatment plan will be made soon). Because of that I never followed up with RC. I didn't have time to fully read each post, but from what I was able to gather it looks like they are saying they didn't change anything? It also sounded like you were going to try Addiction and I'm wondering if you did and how that worked out for you or if you found another food that you and your kitty were happy with?
Go onl
. Go online chewy.com and amazon and petco.comAll I know is I asked a receptionist at the vet's office who is usually the one who puts the stock of food when it comes in away. She didn't know anything about the change. This was before I even knew about a change. All I noticed was the smell was different and the color was darker and the consistency wasn't as creamy.
The person who does the ordering didn't say anything to me either about any changes.
All I know is Boo won't even give it a second "sniff" now and I will be taking it back to get in house credit for it..
I would imagine that they have changed the RC Duck in cans also ?
My problem is I have only three local pet supply stores, Petco, Petsmart and Pet Supplies Plus and Petco is not very accomodating when asking if they can order something for you in another protein source even if they stock the brand (ex: Nutrisource chicken and you ask for it in Turkey)... Pet Suppies Plus is usually awesome about special ordering but they seem to stock at their store a lot of "fish" canned foods (Tiki cat Fish only no chocken).
I can not buy Ziwipeak, Hounds & Gatos, First Mate, Addiction , Weruva locally..
