23 degrees!! What to do for kittens/puppies?

gothic_amethyst · Nov 30, 2003

I've been keeping it up and slowly adding more to her diet since they're growing and taking more of her energy and milk. She's definately happier. She's on a long cable runner between 2 trees and I took her for a walk all over the yard. She ended up jumping on me. I also got licked. Not much for dog licks, but I know she was just happy. I pet her trying to distract her so I could look at the pups and they're all ok and one's face was pointing to me and it's eyes are open! I guess they all are. They're around 4-5 weeks.
Awwww....if you keep making me blush my head will catch on fire! lol.
Thanks. I dont think of it like that...I just dont want something to happen. No life good or bad deserves to die. Definately not to freeze in the cold. Sorry I'm just not feeling able to take credit considering I'm not the one nursing them!

charmsdad · Dec 1, 2003

You're doing a lot for them. Mom is doing her part, but she couldn't do it without you.

George

gus's mom · Dec 1, 2003

You will have a better time finding GOOD homes for them if they are at least semi house broken. You said you live in the country, can you get some straw for them from somewhere? As Hissy said it's really the best insulator.

gothic_amethyst · Dec 3, 2003

Thanks, but I'm remaining modest. Atleast untill they're grown up, have a home, and Danny finds Shelby a better place.

gothic_amethyst · Dec 3, 2003

Originally posted by Gus's Mom
You will have a better time finding GOOD homes for them if they are at least semi house broken. You said you live in the country, can you get some straw for them from somewhere? As Hissy said it's really the best insulator.

I dont know anything about house breaking and cant bring them inside to do it...so how else? I havnt tried to find any cause they are sofar warm. There's blankets for the puppies in the insulated doghouse and a large thick blanket on top. Also there are about 3 laters of carpet cut and layed inside to insilate. She's a big dog too so that helps. If is gets below 25 I'm gonna have to try to find some. Thanks for reminding me though...I had actually forgot about that.

charmsdad · Dec 3, 2003

I dont know anything about house breaking and cant bring them inside to do it

If they've been raised outside many dogs are already "housebroken" when they are allowed in. Once they are allowed inside using a crate will help ease the transition. Here's some info:

http://www.dogsled.net/Education/crate.htm

And some general house training info:

http://www.dogsled.net/Education/housetrain.htm

(These are both from brochures put out by the local APS.)

As for weather protection: If the house is insulated and protected from the wind and not to big, then the blankets should be enough. Straw is a good idea if it gets real cold and will make mom and the pups more comfortable, but with all the extra insulation you've put in, plus the blankets, the house sounds like is should be plenty warm enough.

Is this your first rescue? You go girl!!!!

George

gothic_amethyst · Dec 3, 2003

Originally posted by CharmsDad
As for weather protection: If the house is insulated and protected from the wind and not to big, then the blankets should be enough. Straw is a good idea if it gets real cold and will make mom and the pups more comfortable, but with all the extra insulation you've put in, plus the blankets, the house sounds like is should be plenty warm enough.

Is this your first rescue? You go girl!!!!

George

thanks for the links.I'm gonna read them and print them out to whoever I give the pups/pup to.

That's what I was hoping. My dog makes it every year with her doghouse and she's smaller than Shelby. Shelby's bigger and has more body heat.

Yes this is my first when it comes to puppies. I've raised several kittens before.

charmsdad · Dec 4, 2003

You're doing a great job. I'm sure you're realizing that young dogs and cats are similar in some ways and different in others. I hope you can arrange to find good homes for them all.

George

gothic_amethyst · Dec 4, 2003

Thanks. It is wierd the similarities and differences. Mainly cause they're bigger. I'm used to kittens. Oh and I will. I'm too stubborn to not find a home. I'll keep them untill I'm satisfied with a person

charmsdad · Dec 5, 2003

Checking the first date on this thread I'm guessing the pups are just over three weeks old. Little fur balls with eyes open and wadling around?

George

gothic_amethyst · Dec 5, 2003

They're eyes are open and they are getting around ok. Enough one walked around and pooped in front of me. Alittle gross..lol...but atleast they're healthy and capable to do it on their own.
I'm not sure the exact age, but if I looked at the calendar right it is about 5 weeks. If it was kittens I'd know if I was right about the amount of weeks...but it's puppies.

charmsdad · Dec 6, 2003

As five weeks they must be cute little things, scurrying around with the "puppy waddle". They might even be starting to show individual personalities. You should try to handle them as much as possible to get them used to human contact.

George

gothic_amethyst · Dec 6, 2003

What age can they be taken form her if they must....I want to handle them, but dont want to risk her harming them untill they are old enough I could take care of it myself. She never seems to want me to anyway. She blocks the house door with her body when I squat to try to look inside. I have to distract her with food to check on them.

charmsdad · Dec 7, 2003

Quote from Gothic_Amethyst:
What age can they be taken form her if they must

You could take them as early as 5-6 weeks, but 8 weeks is better and at least 12 weeks would be best. (8 weeks is commonly the accepted point of separation.)

You know mamma dog, so use your judgement and don't take any risks, but *USUALLY* a mother dog will let people she knows handle her pups without any problems. She will not reject the pups because you've handled them, that a misnomer. Generally (again-you know this dog) the mom appears happy to have her people sharing in her joy with the pups. Remember that dogs are pack animals. With wild dogs pups are are the center of all pack activity, and every member helps in the care and feeding. Domestic dogs consider their humans part of the pack, so I would expect mamma dog to be happy to show her you pups. Don't try to hide from her the fact that you're interested in them.

While I would not generally expect an issue, I must emphasize again that you are the one that knows this dog and you need to use your judgement. If she shows any agressive tendancies do not press her. If you're not sure about dog postures or canine "communication" it's best to be on the safe side. I've been around lots of mamma dogs with pups at the shelter here, many that didn't know me at all. Only rarely was a mom ever agressively protective about the pups and these were usually agressive dogs period.

George

gothic_amethyst · Dec 9, 2003

Ok thanks...I've probably already asked but wanted to make sure. I'll wait another week or two then attempt touching them. If she decides to disown it atlest by that age I can take care of it without her.

I'm not worried about her being agressive with me. If she was going to she would've done it when I removed the dead ones. I know what to look for. I just know she doesnt seem to want me to touch them because if I try to bend down to reach in her house she blocks the door so I cant.

charmsdad · Dec 11, 2003

Sorry I haven't gotten back to you sooner, I had a death in the family.

I would expect the pups will be fine with you handling them. There should be no issue with Mom rejecting them, and it will help them get to enjoy human contact. At this point I'd say the sooner you start handling them the better.

George

gothic_amethyst · Dec 16, 2003

Originally posted by CharmsDad
Sorry I haven't gotten back to you sooner, I had a death in the family.

I would expect the pups will be fine with you handling them. There should be no issue with Mom rejecting them, and it will help them get to enjoy human contact. At this point I'd say the sooner you start handling them the better.

George

I'm sorry to hear that...I hope you and your family are doing ok. I have an apology too...I've been very sick and laying around since last thursday. So I havnt replied quickly either. In a wierd fate twist we're even (except 4 the circumstances).

2 are brave enough to come out to me and look at me....one keeps peeing if it sees me the other just stares. The 3rd one whimpers for her in the house. I've had to let grandma and Danny feed them since I've been sick so I've not got to see them for a week. I'm gonna try it though when I get better and can be safely in the cold again. I'm still watching for pneumonia or bronchitis in me so I cant be outside. This really does suck though...the timing

charmsdad · Dec 17, 2003

Sorry you're feeling sick. Hope you're feeling better soon.

I'm sorry to hear that...I hope you and your family are doing ok.

Thank you for the kind thoughts. My uncle was 83 and had battled cancer for over 10 years. When it returned a few monthes ago he decided to stop chemotherapy and just live the rest of his life as well as possible. He was a remarkable man.

Sounds like the pups are doing well. The peeing thing is normal puppy submissive behavior, and the pup should outgrow it. (It varies by dog, but usually between 4 and 7 months.) By the way, during house training this is not considered an "accident" and the pup should not be reprimanded for this. In fact, it's best to not acknowledge the act at all since it's really not controllable behavior. Don't even let the pup see you clean it up.

When you feel better I hope you can get a chance to play with the pups. There's nothing quite like the pure joy in a group of puppies.

George

charmsdad · Dec 17, 2003

Here I am a week ago with dad and two of his pups (there are four total):

These are New Guinea Singing Dogs. They're in the Dingo family (from New Guinea). These are one of the most endangered dog species in the world, with less than 100 left. These pups are from a planned breeding designed to ensure as much genetic diversity as possible among the species.

George

gothic_amethyst · Dec 18, 2003

Originally posted by CharmsDad
Sorry you're feeling sick. Hope you're feeling better soon.

Thank you for the kind thoughts. My uncle was 83 and had battled cancer for over 10 years. When it returned a few monthes ago he decided to stop chemotherapy and just live the rest of his life as well as possible. He was a remarkable man.

Sounds like the pups are doing well. The peeing thing is normal puppy submissive behavior, and the pup should outgrow it. (It varies by dog, but usually between 4 and 7 months.) By the way, during house training this is not considered an "accident" and the pup should not be reprimanded for this. In fact, it's best to not acknowledge the act at all since it's really not controllable behavior. Don't even let the pup see you clean it up.

When you feel better I hope you can get a chance to play with the pups. There's nothing quite like the pure joy in a group of puppies.

George

Sofar I am. I just still have a cough.

Your welcome. I bet he was. Anyone to fight like that definately deserves respect. My Grandma got uterince cancer a few months ago and had a full hysterectomy. Sofar she's fine so I know how much cancer can emotionally wreck a family. I'm sorry you lost him though.

It's kinda funny how they do that though just from seeing me. I'm hoping in a few more days I can go outside and play with them. problem is it's so cold they dont really want to go outside either. I dont clean it up since the pup is outside and in the grass.

I hope so too and I'll let you know what happens with them.

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