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post #1 of 21
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This article was in today's Minneapolis Star-Tribune:

Naked sushi proves too raw for some
Associated Press

Published November 12, 2003 SUSH13


SEATTLE -- Promoters insist it's performance art. Detractors say women are getting a raw deal.

Whatever the case, the controversy over the Bonzai nightclub serving sushi on nearly naked women isn't about to fade anytime soon.

``It's dehumanizing, the manner in which people are buying and selling sushi to be eaten off a woman's body. It's dehumanizing to be treated as a plate,'' said Cherry Cayabyab, president of the local chapter of National Asian Pacific American Women's Forum.

If the club persists, she and other activists plan to launch a media campaign - apparently the first organized opposition to naked sushi in the United States.

Promoters and customers counter that the monthly naked sushi night at Bonzai is art.

The practice, which began in Japan and also has spread to Los Angeles and New York, involves sushi placed on clear plastic wrap over the torso of a model wearing nothing more than a thong and a few flower petals.

Bonzai patrons pay a $5 cover charge, buy a drink and pick their way through salmon, ahi tuna, eel and California rolls. Seven models work in half-hour shifts.

Chef and owner Jun Hong and promoter Cheresa Nemitz enforce rules that include respect for the model, no talking to her, and no hooting or yelling.

Critics at the university Women's Center say it still promotes violence against women.

``It provides a forum to see a human being as an object - and when women are viewed as objects, they are more likely to be violated,'' said Norma Timbang, executive director of the Asian and Pacific Islander Women and Family Safety Center.


I hope it was OK to start this thread - it is not R-rated, just talks about nudity.

Is this for real? It reminded me of the 'Hunting for Bambi' hoax. If it is real, what do you think? Is it art? Demeaning? Is it any different than exotic dancing?
post #2 of 21
I don't know how they can call it art. If you eat off a pretty plate, you aren't eating off the plate to experience art, you are simply eating off of a pretty object. This is what the women are: pretty objects. I wonder if the boss or patrons would find it to be art if it were their daughters men were eating off of.
post #3 of 21
I cannot imagine eating sushi off a naked person, whether it be male or female. The paranoid person in me won't do it because of cleanliness issues

And I agree with what Renae said, what if it was your daughter? I shudder to think about it.
post #4 of 21
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Originally posted by Kiwideus
I cannot imagine eating sushi off a naked person, whether it be male or female. The paranoid person in me won't do it because of cleanliness issues
I totally agree.

IMO, it is similar to exotic dancing, not art, and is definitely exploitative. It objectifies women in the same way.
post #5 of 21
OMG That comment reminds me of this one strip club
that's about 30 miles from me.
Everytime we go up that way we have to pass this place,
they have a sign that's flashing "Beautiful, Exotic, Artistic,
Topless ladies"

I'm like ok Artistic??? What are they going to paint you
a picture while they undress??? LOL


I guess they will think of anything to make some money.
post #6 of 21
I think a nude body of either sex can be appreciated as art, but this definitely shouts "objectification" to me.
post #7 of 21
The CSI: Miami show (I think in the first episode that was a cross over from the first CSI) had a scene where people were eating honey or something off of scantily glad women in a glossy bar that the investigators visit. They probably didn't invent that.

Leaving aside everything else, I'm surprised that eating food off of a human body complies with any health code. The sanitary aspect of it gives me the willies as well.

(Personally, I don't believe that 'performance' art is EVER visual art, like a painting, which is what it claims to be (as opposed to be performing art like dance or music.) )
post #8 of 21
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Originally posted by tuxedokitties
I think a nude body of either sex can be appreciated as art, but this definitely shouts "objectification" to me.
It's funny, several years ago, the stepdaughter of a friend of mine, who had just graduated from Brown University, was telling me how she had a number of classmates from her ivy league college who worked in strip clubs, on some 'post-modernist-feminist' notion (on the other hand, it might have been 'post-feminist-modernist' instead) theory that 'exploiting the exploiter' was a terrific notion.
post #9 of 21
IMO this is just a way to attract customers and some free publicity period. I knew about it when it first came out in Japan. I think there's nothing wrong with it. Strip clubs and topless bars are worse places where women are "objectified".
What if the roles are reversed and it's sushi on "nude" men? How many women you think will protest that?
post #10 of 21
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Originally posted by yayi
Strip clubs and topless bars are worse places where women are "objectified".
I've never been to a strip club or a topless bar personally, so forgive me if this is a stupid question. But I just don't see how a topless bar is worse than having people eat off a naked woman. I'm not saying that topless bars are better, because I'm not a fan of any of that stuff, but I guess I just don't understand where that observation is coming from. (This isn't personal or anything, and I'm not trying to offend anyone, I just don't get it.)

Quote:
Originally posted by yayi
What if the roles are reversed and it's sushi on "nude" men? How many women you think will protest that?
I could guarantee 100% that I would never be ever so inclined to frequent such a place. There's the issue with cleanliness, along with the fact I find it quite distasteful. (And that's putting it lightly. ) So, so far, we have 1 woman that would be against it, even if it was with naked men.
post #11 of 21
I know that it is true as it was on a news program I was watching and they showed how they set it up on her and how it looked. I don't agree with it. It just seemed really wrong somehow.
post #12 of 21
I saw it on the news last night. Yuck!
post #13 of 21


I think it's just for the shock value. Today our society revolves around who can shock the population the most. Many radio stations have shock jocks, the music we listen to has shocking lyrics, newspapers have been pushing the limits on shocking news headlines, and of course their was the Shock and Awe war campaing ....

I guess restaurants have never had a 'schock' value before, so they just want to get a piece of the action.

I for one wouldn't want to know any man who would frequent that place! If Rob every went there, he'd look like this after I was done with him!

** No, I'm not advocating violent interactions in your relationships, I just thought that smilie fit into this conversation and I've always wanted to use it and never had a chance!

Also, this topic gives another good example of why you should after every meal boys and girls.
post #14 of 21
Ok its defnitely not for me but these women are letting it be done right? So i don't think its a place to take kids but if everyone else is fine with it then thats their choice.
post #15 of 21
There was a private party in San Francisco last year that was catered by a handful of locally famous sushi chefs and all of the sushi was served off of naked women. My friend and I were suppossed to go, but at the last minute I decided not to. You can imagine my shock the next day when she told me about it. She just said it was strange and that she didn't feel comfortable eating because she felt it was unclean and just distasteful, but that the women were talking and joking with everyone and trying to get people to eat their sushi, etc. and that most of the guests were happy to oblige.

Not sure how I feel about it. . .
post #16 of 21
Quote:
Originally posted by Kiwideus
I cannot imagine eating sushi off a naked person, whether it be male or female. The paranoid person in me won't do it because of cleanliness issues

And I agree with what Renae said, what if it was your daughter? I shudder to think about it.

Ditto
post #17 of 21
Dear Suzi,

Personally I love sushi, however one of my jobs is that a being a model for College Art classes, (yes I am nude). I get very angry when the human body is exploited and people call it "art". There is a big difference between this and recreation of a Dega.

Just recently a person hung himself in the currenly being remodeled Art bulding at a College. The body hung there all day, everybody thought it was an "art" piece.

Goblin
post #18 of 21
Originally posted by Goblin
Quote:
Just recently a person hung himself in the currenly being remodeled Art bulding at a College. The body hung there all day, everybody thought it was an "art" piece.
How tragic! And if people thought THAT was "art" it just shows that something is really wrong.
post #19 of 21
Quote:
Originally posted by Goblin
Just recently a person hung himself in the currenly being remodeled Art bulding at a College. The body hung there all day, everybody thought it was an "art" piece.

Goblin
I just heard about that, it was because that college (I think it is in Belgium) has a lot of art around it and apparently that dead person had been hanging there about a year.
post #20 of 21
Ewwwwww that's just grim! All the complex issues aside..... why would anyone want to eat food off a perfect stranger in public!!! It's gross!!!!
post #21 of 21
I find this whole "objectifying" of women thing confusing. The women that are being "objectified" don't seem to mind, are probably being very well paid, no one is forcing them to do anything they don't want to.
The ones that are complaining about it are not even involved in it, usually. Not to be disrespectful to anyone objecting here, but most of the ones I have seen on tv and heard on radio on this big crusade against it, would probably send people running and screamng if they took their clothes off.
Someone's body is their own, and so is how they choose to use it. If they have "endowments" that can be facilitated in paying the bills, or paying for their education, why not use them? I know several women that have paid their way through college and even grad school dancing or posing nude. That doesn't make them any less of a person inside.
And they are not sitting on their butts waiting for the welfare check to arrive.
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