Help w/ New Stray - Aggressive, 7-8yr old, Not Yet Neutered, Male

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Hello,

I have been reading the forums, but figured I could just post my story.

A few days ago we decided to try to take in a stray that some friends of ours had found a couple of weeks ago. He has a microchip from 2007, but neither their vet nor ours could find any contact information registered to it? I don't understand how this works, as I've never had a microchipped pet. But, we know he must at least by 7. I can't imagine what circumstances would cause someone to microchip but not neuter a kitten. He was very skinny when found, so obviously had not had a home for a while, but he also is fairly friendly and not super scared of people, so he obviously had a home at one point.

We had three cats until February when we finally lost one of our girls to CRF, so when we heard about this cat, we thought, why not? We had three before. We do not want to introduce him to our other cats until he is neutered and settled in. Unfortunately, we are in a small 2BR apartment, so our only choice is to keep him in my bedroom for now.

So far the main source of drama is trying to keep him confined to a room, especially trying to leave or get into the room without letting him out. He can see/smell the other cats under the door, and he desperately wants to get out to them. They have seen each other through a baby gate, and this actually seemed to calm him down (being able to see them), but he quickly figured out how to open the gate, as you just have to lift up on a latch, and we weren't ready to let them be in the same room together. Entering and leaving my room is now a huge thing. He immediately runs to the door and starts growling and hissing when he realizes you are coming in or leaving. At first I could sort of corral him by holding up a towel and getting him to slowly back away from the door, and eventually he would sort of back off.

The other day (We've not even had him a week, so this has hall happened vert fast.), I was trying to get into my room, and he was trying to get out, which he did successfully, but the other cats were in the other bedroom. I tried to corral him back into my room with blanket. I got him into my room but not far enough to close the door. I tried to get down to his level, thinking my standing up over him was probably scaring him, and he jumped at me and attacked my face. Later that day, I was trying to get out of my room, was trying the towel technique, and he jumped almost up to my shoulder and attacked my arm. He jumped on my roommate later in the day and got her arm, too.

He will jump at you and then take off. It's never without a lot of warning/provocation, but we have to be able to control him somehow, and we don't know how to keep him in a room without provoking this behavior?

When you are not trying to get him to stay in a room, he is very sweet most of the time. He sleeps curled up right next to me on the bed. He doesn't always want to be pet, but has gotten really into chin scratches a few times, and will purr and knead and sit in your lap. When he is done being pet, he will give you a warning growl, and then as long as you stop, he'll just walk away. When we took him to the vet he was so calm and friendly, it makes me wonder if it's solely the other cats in the apartment that are freaking him out.

I rearranged my room last night to try to give him more space. My bed can be a twin or pull out into two twins next to each other, which is how I had it, but I made it smaller to give him more space, and I cleared out some hiding spaces, brought in a cat tree on top of my desk near the window, and cleared off the top shelf and put a bed up there. I am hoping this will make him feel like he has more space / territory, and possibly help him feel less threatened. I also have a Feliway diffuser in my room, but idk if it's helping him.

I'm pretty terrified of him now, to be honest, after the face attack (I had to go on antibiotics due to the extent of the bites), but I'm not ready to give up on him, as he has also been very affectionate, and I think he is just freaked out by all the change, and I think he feels cornered when I try to leave/enter my room while keeping him in. He is still sleeping with me, and I escaped my room this morning by feeding him first and then leaving while he was distracted, but that's harder to do when entering the room.

I just don't know what to do when he is growling/hissing. Especially he and I are both cornered together by the door, and I can't really calmly walk away without having to go over him. I do think both times he jumped at me I was probably making eye contact, which is a habit I'm trying to break. Otherwise I just try to talk to him in calm voice and stay still, but as long as I am standing near the door, he is obsessed with getting out, and I'm not sure he would ever just walk away. Also, he will often be rubbing against my legs and growling/hissing simultaneously which is just confusing. 

As freaked out as we are, we are determined to try to act normally around him and give him some time to adjust. We are just waiting on some bloodwork from the vet to come back before they neuter him, although at his age, I'm not sure neutering will really calm him, but we can always hope.

Anyway, has anyone dealt with this type of aggression before? What can we do to make him happier?
 
 

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First off, thank you for helping him! Many people wouldn't bother. It sounds like he's feeling his oats - a little more secure and safe, so he's a bit bolder. It occurred to me he might be better off in the second bedroom where you would be able to leave him if he gets out of hand?

The faster you get him neutered, the better for all concerned. It takes a few weeks for the testosterone to dissipate, so even after the surgery, he's going to be sassy for a bit.

I suspect that things will calm down considerably once he's neutered and is successfully introduced to your other cats. It is just going to take time.

Good luck. Hang in there!
 

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Also, he will often be rubbing against my legs and growling/hissing simultaneously which is just confusing. 
Rubbing is not only a friendly gesture. Its also marking of his territory with his own smells.   And he being intact male wants to be sure about his territory.  You are lucky he isnt spraying too...

As Ondine said, and you yourself hint - neutering is a must.  Sooner the better. If he isnt very territorial and dominant, it may even help earlier than  first after several weeks.  Our oldest resident, the stud whom in the end of his carrier wasnt happy with his manhood, did got better and happier in just one week...

Could he been a stud?  Can you post in a couple of good pics??

Whad does he has to do?  His trying to get out may be not just to met the others, he perhaps hasnt much to do?

Calming music, radio on, or even tv on,  toys, scratching post or two,   perhaps a Feliway diffuser   are some of the tricks...

Im sorry he clawed  and bite you when you tried to be nice and lowered down to him.   But if he really wants to make battle or attack for real a much bigger animal, they can jump up perhaps on a furniture, and attack the face from there...  Our stud did so when  young, and we played "Big dangerous Monster chasing poor boy".  He gave always battle after a while.   But he claved with soft paw...  And I do use glasses, otherwise I would never dared...  Im not as brave as you are, @skitzabeth

Good luck!
 
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Ah, the riddle of chip and not neutered is solved tx to his looks.    With these spots!   I wont swear if he is an Oci for real, or just some sort of look alike.

If for real, he may have been a stud even with a real breeder.  Or at least, being held as a reserve stud  by a private owner who isnt himself a breeder - like is common in Sweden.

If he isnt purebred with papers and everything  (the papers lost now of course) - a BYB could  anyway used him as their stud.   For a Backyard breeder,  the papers and ancestry arent always important.  But looks are of course important - and hopefully, if the kittens get the looks too...

You can post him in our Description Forum, with these pics and a shortened story about his circumstances, how you got him and the vet examen.

Yeah, proceed along your plans - try to find something to do for him, to occupy him...    Perhaps can you get up a bird feeder outside the window??

Him wanting out is part of  him being intact - whole males wants to go around, they have difficult to just  take it easy for very long.  Although they can be very friendly to their people.

So really, dont wait on these test results,  just cut him.   Also,  IF he has some sickedness - for example  FIV is quite manageable, as long as you do know what you do.   Even Felv isnt always a death sentence - although more difficult to cope with.

In both cases  a neutering helps a lot.

Ask again your vet if it is OK to cut without waiting for the test results, if you wish.

Good luck!
 

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Huh, he certainly doesn't look like a mature tomcat. They usually have very muscular cheeks and a large neck. He looks like either a neutered cat or a young tom who hasn't had time to get boofy cheeks yet. His body shape looks very young, too. He just really looks like a young adult cat (8-12 months) to me. It would explain his crazy naughty behavior too.

But the microchip from 2007. . .that's weird. I wonder if it was bought in 2007 or confirmed to be injected into a cat in 2007? Some places buy microchips in bulk and they might not go through them too quickly.
 
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Ah, the riddle of chip and not neutered is solved tx to his looks.    With these spots!   I wont swear if he is an Oci for real, or just some sort of look alike.

If for real, he may have been a stud even with a real breeder.  Or at least, being held as a reserve stud  by a private owner who isnt himself a breeder - like is common in Sweden.

If he isnt purebred with papers and everything  (the papers lost now of course) - a BYB could  anyway used him as their stud.   For a Backyard breeder,  the papers and ancestry arent always important.  But looks are of course important - and hopefully, if the kittens get the looks too...

You can post him in our Description Forum, with these pics and a shortened story about his circumstances, how you got him and the vet examen.

Yeah, proceed along your plans - try to find something to do for him, to occupy him...    Perhaps can you get up a bird feeder outside the window??

Him wanting out is part of  him being intact - whole males wants to go around, they have difficult to just  take it easy for very long.  Although they can be very friendly to their people.

So really, dont wait on these test results,  just cut him.   Also,  IF he has some sickedness - for example  FIV is quite manageable, as long as you do know what you do.   Even Felv isnt always a death sentence - although more difficult to cope with.

In both cases  a neutering helps a lot.

Ask again your vet if it is OK to cut without waiting for the test results, if you wish.

Good luck!
It did not even occur to me that he was anything besides an orange tabby, I just thought he had cool markings! Then I saw this picture: http://www.fanciers.com/breed-faqs/ocicat-faq.html, and he certainly does look like that! That would make sense if someone was breeding him. When do male cats stop being good for breeding? It would be sad if he got too old and was just abandoned.

I put his cat tree by my window, but unfortunately I'm in NYC, and our view is nothing special, he's just looking at a fire escape into an alley/courtyard thing. Sometimes there are pigeons? Lol.

I called my vet today, and the doctor was supposed to call me back. He was already tested for everything major (no Rabies, FIV, FeLV, etc, and he got all of his booster shots before he came to us), we were just getting a full blood panel just to make sure there wasn't something we needed to know about him before investing more money into him. (I realize that sounds kind of bad, but I just got out of a situation with being committed to a super sick cat, so we just wanted to make sure we knew what we were getting into.) I asked today how long it would be to get him in to be neutered, and they said no longer than a week, so hopefully by next week we can get him. I really, really, really hope neutering will calm him down. I will be at a loss if it doesn't.
Huh, he certainly doesn't look like a mature tomcat. They usually have very muscular cheeks and a large neck. He looks like either a neutered cat or a young tom who hasn't had time to get boofy cheeks yet. His body shape looks very young, too. He just really looks like a young adult cat (8-12 months) to me. It would explain his crazy naughty behavior too.

But the microchip from 2007. . .that's weird. I wonder if it was bought in 2007 or confirmed to be injected into a cat in 2007? Some places buy microchips in bulk and they might not go through them too quickly.
The vet commented on this as well, but I think he is just skinny from lack of food and care, which is why he looks so young. She commented on this jowls/jaw/cheeks when she was feeling him and said, "Oh, yeah, there they are. Unneutered cats always get these muscular jowls."

The microchip is a mystery to me. The other people who had him said the vet told them it was registered in 2007, but when I look up the number I can't find anything about it. It's possible they called the manufacturer. 
 

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I've seen starving mature toms, and they always have little scrawny bodies but great big heads/necks, no matter how bad off they are. Plus, mature toms fight so much that they're covered in facial scars. I'll place my bet on him being under a year old (I do see the start of jowls now that I look), though I would kind of hope a vet could tell a young cat from a middle aged cat :/.

At any rate, no matter how old he is, neutering him ASAP will be best for everyone. I do think you'll see a big difference in his behavior.
 
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I've seen starving mature toms, and they always have little scrawny bodies but great big heads/necks, no matter how bad off they are. Plus, mature toms fight so much that they're covered in facial scars. I'll place my bet on him being under a year old (I do see the start of jowls now that I look), though I would kind of hope a vet could tell a young cat from a middle aged cat :/.

At any rate, no matter how old he is, neutering him ASAP will be best for everyone. I do think you'll see a big difference in his behavior.
I mean, his neck/head is definitely bigger than the rest of his body. He's got a really sturdy neck on him. But I would also hope our vet would've been able to tell if he was THAT young as opposed to middle-aged, although it's possible they were wrong. Maybe I will press the issue more when I'm back there with him.

Yes, I am very anxious to get him neutered. 


 
 
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I've seen starving mature toms, and they always have little scrawny bodies but great big heads/necks, no matter how bad off they are. Plus, mature toms fight so much that they're covered in facial scars
Yeah.   I think if he is a not so dominant, not a territorial tom / stud,  he wouldnt have these big jaws etc.   And thus, he wouldnt  become in fights so much. 

This could also explain  why he istn spraying. and kept uncut so long.   If he isnt very territorial and is behaving, they could keep him longer as stud.  Theoretically up to his teens..

Youth? Possibly, but I presume the vet looked on his teeth.  There is surely a differernce between a 1 year, who hasnt began to spray as yet, and a 7 year, who isnt spraying much.   Teeths.

For example, our younger stud, the son of our oldest resident, hadnt never this very much masquline looks, not even as working stud.  Perhaps partly because our oldest resident did contunue  to be the revire holder and protector  and alpha, even when he become neutered and retired as stud.   But this our oldie, nowadays a teenager, he has still a masquline looks. Even still some sacks behind.    :)

ps.  I see  TS has some comments she too.
 
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I think if he is a not so dominant, not a territorial tom / stud,  he wouldnt have these big jaws etc.   And thus, he wouldnt  become in fights so much. 
Does that make a difference? It seems like every unneutered tom I see has the huge jowls, only the immature toms don't. I haven't had any experience with show studs, just strays and farm cats, so maybe it's not the same.

I currently have a young tom, somewhere between 12-18 months, in my spare bathroom (ugh, I'm such a procrastinator, I need to get him neutered!) and his head is massive. I don't think he was dominant, but who knows? :dk: He's certainly very submissive to the housecats---he once got out of the bathroom and Petunia beat the snot out of him, and she's 14 years old, fat and de-clawed!

I've also had very mixed results with vets being able to tell things about cats :/. I wouldn't necessarily trust a vet to have an informed opinion on a cat's age. But maybe it's a regional thing; the vets here seem to prefer dogs. I even had a vet tell me she doesn't like cats. . .while she was examining my cat! I didn't use that vet again :tongue2:. The vet may also be influenced by the 2007 microchip.

I mean, his age isn't really important for what advice anybody gives, it isn't really an important part of the discussion. I'm just saying, by looking at the pictures (which admittedly is a poor substitute for hands-on), he looks like a young cat to me. His head, his body shape (even if underweight, most mature cats have filled out more in the chest area), even his eyes look young (most of my cats had rusty-colored eyes when young but it faded to yellow when they got older). His behavior seems like that of a young, hormone-crazed tom. If not for the microchip thing I would be almost certain.

Anyway, like I said, it's not even important. Just an interesting discussion :D. Hopefully his behavior will improve quickly after neutering.
 
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When I was reading I got him to come sit next to me. He was super into chin scratching for a bit, but then he stretched out and wanted to be done. He wanted to lie right next to me, but would growl if I tried to pet him, so I just stopped touching him and continued reading to him and he slept. He does not want me ever petting him below his shoulders. He will growl at me. But he didn't have any problem with my boyfriend petting him, and he didn't show any signs of not liking it at the vet, so I don't think it's a pain thing. Not sure what's up with that.


He can be such a sweetheart! In contrast, here are the wounds he has given me... (My face/eyes are not usually that swollen! He hits SO HARD. You can tell my arm is more bruised than scratched. Same with my roommate.):

 
 

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I was thinking that if he was being used as a stud, he may not have had the opportunity to fight, as the breeder would not have let him near other males.  He certainly got you good, though, didn't he?  You are a saint!

I think the chip might be what's old, not the cat but they may be better able to determine that once the vet has a good look at him.
 
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He did get me real good. He can be vicious. He is also obviously very sweet, but he's pretty unpredictable. :(

Luckily he is extremely motivated by wet food, but that is literally the only way to get him to do anything. As soon as you do anything he is even slightly unsure about, he starts hissing. I know I will have to get him in my roommates room for a bit so I can clean his litter box, because there's no way he would let me do that. Even if you're just standing up too long and he thinks you should be letting him out, he'll start hissing at you, but he's fine if you're sitting on the bed.

Anyway, we have another vet appointment this weekend to follow up on the blood test, and I'm going to press them more about the age thing. 
 
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I'm starting to second-guess my ability to deal with this guy. I was not at home the night before last, so my roommate went in and fed him for me, but didn't really hang out with him at all. By the time I got home he was really amped up. I shut the other cats away and let him out into the rest of the apartment so I could clean his litterbox and such, but he gets pissed when I'm just walking around trying to get stuff done. He would growl and hiss at me just when I was trying to walk from one side of the apartment to the other, and I don't know what to do except to just try to stand still and not make eye contact and talk to him. He's so unpredictable, I feel like I can never tell when he's asking for attention or when he's angry, and I can't tell when he's just growling to be cranky, or when he's actually getting ready to attack. 

Last night, he slept with me, and any time I would move around, he would meow, climb on top of me, purr, rub against my hand, want me to scratch his chin, knead on me, etc. He would curl up with me, put his head on my chest, and just purr and sleep. But a couple of times he would suddenly bite my arm / hand and start growling, even though I would see no change in body language beforehand to indicate he wanted me to stop. Then this morning when I had to get out of bed, he was not having it. He was growling and hissing at me, and I felt like if I moved he was going to attack me. Finally he got down on his own and I was able to grab some food to distract him so I could get up and leave my room.

I'm just feeling really discouraged. I don't have any idea how to control him or calm him down or comfort him, he just seems pissed off, and then even when he is being sweet, he will turn on you seemingly randomly. I feel torn between wanting to spend a lot of time with him because he seems to like being around you as long as you are just sitting still and petting him, but also I feel like a hostage once I'm in there with him, so it's tempting to just leave him in there, which is awful.

We have our follow-up with the vet tomorrow. I'm going to have to have a serious talk with them about whether or not they think he has some underlying disease causing the low red blood cell count, whether or not we can neuter him ASAP, how to handle his aggression in the meantime. He's so sweet at the vet, that I think I will need my wounds to convince him how scary he can get.

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Because he was a stray and living on his own for who knows how long as well as not being neutered, he has picked up a lot of feral like behavior.  He is very untrusting of humans.  One of the things I noted from your above posts is that he doesn't like when you are moving around.  It must frighten him when you are in an upright position.  He is afraid and does not know if you will hurt him.  He has only been with you a few days and that is certainly not long enough for an adjustment.  Last year I brought in a feral/stray male.  I had neutered him a few months previous, but I thought he was too feral to bring inside.  He was very territorial and even though he had been neutered for 3 months, he was still fighting and acting out.  It has been a very long transition.  I had him in his own room for 2 full months before allowing out as well as before doing introductions between my resident cat and dog.  During his isolation period, we worked on socializing skills.  He did not know how to play at all.  He didn't understand furniture or much of anything about inside life.  Introductions between the stray and my resident cat were very very difficult.  There were days I felt so much stress from having an unsocialized stray in the house and dealing with the stress it caused my other animals.  Yet, I knew I had committed myself to this boy.  No one else would have him.  I decided I needed to break the process down into very small manageable steps.  Looking for a happy end result was too far in the future.  We focused on baby steps. 

I do think you will notice a difference once he is neutered, but it can take up to 6 weeks for all of the hormones to shut down.  In the mean time, have you tried any Composure for cats?  It comes in treat and liquid formula.  I like the liquid formula best as it is easy to mix in with wet food.  Some cats don't care for the treats.  With the liquid you can double the dosage during periods of stress.  I used it on my stray for over 6 months and still use it for thunderstorms, vet visits and when I am on vacation.  You can find it for the best price on Amazon.  I use the Composure liquid Max. 
 
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Because he was a stray and living on his own for who knows how long as well as not being neutered, he has picked up a lot of feral like behavior.  He is very untrusting of humans.  One of the things I noted from your above posts is that he doesn't like when you are moving around.  It must frighten him when you are in an upright position.  He is afraid and does not know if you will hurt him.  He has only been with you a few days and that is certainly not long enough for an adjustment.  Last year I brought in a feral/stray male.  I had neutered him a few months previous, but I thought he was too feral to bring inside.  He was very territorial and even though he had been neutered for 3 months, he was still fighting and acting out.  It has been a very long transition.  I had him in his own room for 2 full months before allowing out as well as before doing introductions between my resident cat and dog.  During his isolation period, we worked on socializing skills.  He did not know how to play at all.  He didn't understand furniture or much of anything about inside life.  Introductions between the stray and my resident cat were very very difficult.  There were days I felt so much stress from having an unsocialized stray in the house and dealing with the stress it caused my other animals.  Yet, I knew I had committed myself to this boy.  No one else would have him.  I decided I needed to break the process down into very small manageable steps.  Looking for a happy end result was too far in the future.  We focused on baby steps. 

I do think you will notice a difference once he is neutered, but it can take up to 6 weeks for all of the hormones to shut down.  In the mean time, have you tried any Composure for cats?  It comes in treat and liquid formula.  I like the liquid formula best as it is easy to mix in with wet food.  Some cats don't care for the treats.  With the liquid you can double the dosage during periods of stress.  I used it on my stray for over 6 months and still use it for thunderstorms, vet visits and when I am on vacation.  You can find it for the best price on Amazon.  I use the Composure liquid Max. 
He seems to WANT to like people, but yeah, he is obviously extremely uneasy about it. He doesn't seem to like when I am sitting on the floor anymore than when I am standing up. (And now I'm pretty terrified to be face level with him, lol.) It just seems like everything I do threatens him, and now that he's gotten me a couple of times, I've lost my confidence. I know he needs more time, I just don't know how to deal with his aggression and my anxiety in order to give him that time.

He seems to get anxious being in my room knowing that other people are out in the living room. I think he wants to be around people so he can see what's going on. Unfortunately our apartment is small, so the only option is to shut him in my bedroom, which is just off the main area of the apartment. And trying to keep him in there while going in and out has proven to be dangerous without food to distract him.

You say you worked on socializing skills. How? What did you do? He certainly doesn't seem to understand toys or anything. The only thing I've really come up with to do is sit in there and read to him, just to try to get him used to my voice / my presence. He seems to like that. When I try to play with him with toys, he seems to not understand and will growl, but I'm also sure he's got a lot of pent up energy to get out, and I don't know how to help him do that. What baby steps / little goals did you have? 

I do have Composure treats. He's not really into them, but if I drop one in his wet food he will eat it. I'm not sure that or the Feliway has really done anything to calm him? I haven't noticed a difference, but again, it hasn't been very long. I also have one of those calming collars, but I have a feeling trying to get it on him would just be traumatic for everyone.
 

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He may very well have been mistreated.  A lot of people think that cats like to play roughly and will mess with them that way.  You really don't know his experience, so you'll need to assess how to behave from his reactions.  Like ShadowsRescue said, he's nervous around you when he's not sure what your next actions may be.  So I would definitely set his routine - meals at the same time, playtime/reading/socializing at the same time.

Slow movements, nothing rushed or hurried.  I do think the neutering will definitely calm him down.

I know it seems impossible right now, but your patience will pay off.
 

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Like Ondine said, get him on a routine.  For playtime start with a laser light or small mice.  Most cats like da Bird and wand toys, but they may overwhelm or frighten him right now.  You can always try.  I would stay away from catnip toys right now as they can get a cat really wound up and sometimes amp up aggressiveness.  Also just don't throw the toys on the floor, interact with him.  The laser is good as you can be far away. 

I would also play music for him especially when he is alone.  I had an old ipod where I had downloaded soft soothing music.  I kept it on whenever he was alone. 

Keep your movements very slow.  Tell him that you are getting up or coming into the room.  If direct eye contact scares or upsets him, keep your gaze low.  Loud noises and swift movements will cause him to either retreat in fear or lash out in aggressiveness. 

If he will eat the treats, I would give him 4-6 per day divided into two meals.  Give him 2 or 3 in the morning and 2 or 3 with his evening meal.  It is safe to double and triple the dose.  It may take a few days or up to a week to get the desired results.  Yet each cat is different and he may be all about hormones too. 

When can you get him neutered?  The sooner the better.

Patience is your friend.  Socializing a feral/stray is hard work, but the end results are amazing. 

When you are moving around your apartment, try to remember that loud noises frighten him.  Hopefully he has a safe place to hide.  You can use a simple cardboard box for him or he might love a cat tree with a hiding box.  Does he have any vertical space to get up?  Does he have a window to look out (yet not opened)? 
 
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He does not like the wand toy we have, or at least I don't think that he does, as he will play with it, but starts growling in a way that I think it's making him anxious and he doesn't understand it's a toy, so I stopped using it. I have a laser toy coming in the mail, hopefully today, as well as just some regular little mouse toys and such. He has ball in a circular tube type toy that has a cardboard scratcher in the middle that I think he has played with a little. He likes the cardboard scratchers. My cat tree has scratching posts on it, but I don't think he's gotten that yet.

Music for during the day is a good idea. I have an iPod I could put things on.

I have never seen him retreat in fear, he definitely lashes out. But I have a space under my bed he seems to like, as well as an empty shelf under my desk that he has slept in that is pretty hidden away. He also likes to go into my closet, although that's not ideal as I can then not get in there without accidentally cornering him and freaking him out. He has a lot of vertical space available to him, but doesn't seem super interested in it. I set up the cat tree so one of the platforms is right next to the window, but I'm not sure he's figured that out yet. There is also a little cave at the bottom of the cat tree, but I haven't seen him go in it.

We go to the vet again tomorrow, and I'm hoping we can at least set up an appointment to get him neutered within the next week, or at least I'm really going to press the issue. I'm actually looking forward to going to the vet with him because once you get him in his carrier and put a blanket over it, he's super calm and will just lie down and sleep, and doesn't seem to mind being at the vet. It's nice to see him in a calm state.

I might get the liquid Composure to put in with his food, as he will not always eat the treats in his food.

I never knew cats could be this scary. We are both scared of each other, I suppose, and he probably finds me just as unpredictable as I find him. My roommate and I will have to sit down and try to come up with a solid routine for him.

He mostly sits at the door and paws under it / meows when he hears things in the rest of the apartment. I don't know if it would be helpful to put a towel under the door, or if that would make him more anxious? I'm unsure about whether or not the right thing is to acclimate him to being indoors. Do I try to confine him more to my bedroom, or do I try to let him see the rest of the apartment so he knows there's nothing scary/threatening out there? I'm sure knowing the other cats are out there drives him a bit mad, but when we did have a gate up and he could see them, he seemed less anxious about it as opposed to just being able to smell them. I could invest in a better gate that he can't get open. (He's a very smart boy!)

I feel like what I really need is one of those full body protection suit things they use for training police dogs. Lol. Ugh.
 
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