Carrageenan ??

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As frustrating as it is I am still trying to find a better quality food but I am noticing a lot of them have Carrageenan  which I have read is not good ..
I have also seen some of those brands recommended on here .
So , Is is ok to use a food with this ingredient ? 
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If you're concerned, it's better to go with an organic cat food such as Organix

Castor & Pollux Organix Organic Turkey & Salmon Canned Feline Formula Food, Case of 24
5.5 oz.

 

Castor & Pollux Organix Organic Turkey with Seafood Flavor Canned Feline Formula Food, Case of 24
5.5 oz.
Organic Turkey, Salmon Broth, Organic Chicken Liver, Organic Brown Rice, Organic Chicken, Shrimp, Organic Guar Gum, Calcium Sulfate, Tricalcium Phosphate, Organic Flaxseed Meal, Sea Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins (Vitamin E, A, D3, B12 Supplements, Thiamine Mononitrate, Niacin, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Pyroxidine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin), Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Proteinate, Manganous Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Sodium Selenite), Choline Chloride, Taurine.
 

Castor & Pollux Organix Organic Turkey, Brown Rice & Chicken Canned Feline Formula Food, Case of 24
5.5 oz.
Organic Turkey, Chicken Broth, Organic Brown Rice, Organic Chicken, Organic Chicken Liver, Organic Guar Gum, Organic Rice Protein Concentrate, Tricalcium Phosphate, Sea Salt, Calcium Sulfate, Organic Flaxseed Meal, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Vitamins (Vitamin E, A, D3, B12 Supplements, Thiamine Mononitrate, Niacin, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Pyroxidine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin), Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Proteinate, Manganous Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Sodium Selenite), Taurine.

With any food there are going to be pro's and con's.  Just like with our foods.  There is no one perfect way.  You have to decide what is best for you, your cat, and your budget and way of life.  Because even the "Holistic" brands and Natural brands often, most often, contain  Carrageenan.
 
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If you're concerned, it's better to go with an organic cat food such as Organix

Castor & Pollux Organix Organic Turkey & Salmon Canned Feline Formula Food, Case of 24
5.5 oz.

 

Castor & Pollux Organix Organic Turkey with Seafood Flavor Canned Feline Formula Food, Case of 24
5.5 oz.
Organic Turkey, Salmon Broth, Organic Chicken Liver, Organic Brown Rice, Organic Chicken, Shrimp, Organic Guar Gum, Calcium Sulfate, Tricalcium Phosphate, Organic Flaxseed Meal, Sea Salt, Potassium Chloride, Vitamins (Vitamin E, A, D3, B12 Supplements, Thiamine Mononitrate, Niacin, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Pyroxidine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin), Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Proteinate, Manganous Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Sodium Selenite), Choline Chloride, Taurine.
 

Castor & Pollux Organix Organic Turkey, Brown Rice & Chicken Canned Feline Formula Food, Case of 24
5.5 oz.
Organic Turkey, Chicken Broth, Organic Brown Rice, Organic Chicken, Organic Chicken Liver, Organic Guar Gum, Organic Rice Protein Concentrate, Tricalcium Phosphate, Sea Salt, Calcium Sulfate, Organic Flaxseed Meal, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Vitamins (Vitamin E, A, D3, B12 Supplements, Thiamine Mononitrate, Niacin, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Pyroxidine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin Supplement, Folic Acid, Biotin), Minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Proteinate, Manganous Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Sodium Selenite), Taurine.

With any food there are going to be pro's and con's.  Just like with our foods.  There is no one perfect way.  You have to decide what is best for you, your cat, and your budget and way of life.  Because even the "Holistic" brands and Natural brands often, most often, contain  Carrageenan.
Awesome , thank you so much . That helps a lot ..    It really is just very confusing looking at cat foods because there seems to be  no perfect food . It seems like they all have something unwanted .. I will just do the best I can .. 
 

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Awesome , thank you so much . That helps a lot ..    It really is just very confusing looking at cat foods because there seems to be  no perfect food . It seems like they all have something unwanted .. I will just do the best I can ..
I think the biggest thing to remember is that with a lot of this information is based on fear and facts that are not even in yet.  We are all freaking out because of GMOs and the fear they invoke.  Yes, we should all eat better and eat real foods.  So should our furbabies.  Has anyone honestly been able to say it was their foods that killed them?  Not really.  No one can pinpoint it to that.  And some people only eat junk food and live long and healthy lives where as some only eat holistic and organic or are vegetarians and they can still get disease or cancer and die.  There is no guarantee.

My point is, for many years cat foods were mainly fish or fish flavors and made the same way.  Does it shorten their lives?  Maybe, but no one can say for sure.  A lot of it is just wording.  So the "real meat is the first ingredient" is just a bunch of crap.... They just rearranged some wording is all.  It still contains by product and all the chemicals, etc.  Lots of people still feed their cats that because that's all they can afford as they may be on a budget.  It's not against the law and it's for no one to judge.  Often their cats live just as long and as healthy as those on "better", "premium" and even raw diets and that is the truth.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying you shouldn't do your best and feed your babies the best you can. And that a good diet doesn't help a lot... Just don't worry so much over it. It guarantees nothing.  You still will have to take them to the vet.  They will still get sick once in awhile.  They are living beings, very similar to us and there are things out there that effect their health besides what food you feed them.
 
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@P3 and The King    Thank you  for the great info and advice . .. I will do that ... It makes sense ..
 

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I try to avoid carrageenan but feed one kind of food -- Wellness Core -- that has it. The cats love those foods but they're just one part of a large rotation, meaning they don't get too much carrageenan.
 
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I try to avoid carrageenan but feed one kind of food -- Wellness Core -- that has it. The cats love those foods but they're just one part of a large rotation, meaning they don't get too much carrageenan.
Ok , thank you . That sounds like a good idea ..
 

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Unfortunately many commercials foods contain some kind of binder or 'gum', be it carageenan, guar gum, xanthum gum, etc. Carageenan is an organic seaweed material and in and of itself, is not carcinogenic. The studies that link carageenan to cancer were conducted using poligeenan, which is a degraded form of carageenan. The form of carageenan in human and pet food, is an undegraded form. Cats and people don't get cancer from carageenan, but can be, depending on what else is going on, affected by it as in cats with IBD, pancreatitis and in some cases, food allergies. Like anything synthetic, added, you have to weight the pros and cons of ingredients that are added to food, and make an informed decision on what you can live with and what would not be appropriate.

I think the best scenario is to feed foods that contain gums, in moderation. Guar gum does not have the same reputation as carageenan, but it has been found to cause problems in the way of allergies and digestive issues, for some cats.
 
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Unfortunately many commercials foods contain some kind of binder or 'gum', be it carageenan, guar gum, xanthum gum, etc. Carageenan is an organic seaweed material and in and of itself, is not carcinogenic. The studies that link carageenan to cancer were conducted using poligeenan, which is a degraded form of carageenan. The form of carageenan in human and pet food, is an undegraded form. Cats and people don't get cancer from carageenan, but can be, depending on what else is going on, affected by it as in cats with IBD, pancreatitis and in some cases, food allergies. Like anything synthetic, added, you have to weight the pros and cons of ingredients that are added to food, and make an informed decision on what you can live with and what would not be appropriate.

I think the best scenario is to feed foods that contain gums, in moderation. Guar gum does not have the same reputation as carageenan, but it has been found to cause problems in the way of allergies and digestive issues, for some cats.
Thank you very much .. Right  now my cats are eating Fancy Feast . They varieties they are eating do not contain Carrageenan but they do contain  Menadione  .. I think sometimes it is a no win situation .. 

As of now this is the one and only  canned food my cats will eat ...

I was just curious about the carrageenan because I was researching better quality foods and many contain it as well as the Menadione .. 
 

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Thank you very much .. Right  now my cats are eating Fancy Feast . They varieties they are eating do not contain Carrageenan but they do contain  Menadione  .. I think sometimes it is a no win situation .. 

As of now this is the one and only  canned food my cats will eat ...

I was just curious about the carrageenan because I was researching better quality foods and many contain it as well as the Menadione .. 
I know how you feel. Its very frustrating trying to find foods that don't contain undesirable ingredients. This is why many turn to making their own (balanced) food.

I am not sure if I mentioned this to you previously, but there are other brands that don't contain carageenan or menadione, or just contain one but not the other. Here is a short list :

Authority - http://www.petsmart.com/cat/canned-...ormula-cat-food-zid36-731/cat-36-catid-200027 (no carageenan or menadione)

Hound and Gatos - (no carageenan or menadione)

Nature's Variety PRIDE linehttp://www.instinctpetfood.com/prod...ree-canned-cat-food-cheshire’s-chicken-recipe (no carageenan or menadione)

Performatrin - http://petvalu.com/cat/food/product/23724/chicken-formula-adult-performatrin (contains carageenan but no menadione)
 
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I know how you feel. Its very frustrating trying to find foods that don't contain undesirable ingredients. This is why many turn to making their own (balanced) food.

I am not sure if I mentioned this to you previously, but there are other brands that don't contain carageenan or menadione, or just contain one but not the other. Here is a short list :

Authority - http://www.petsmart.com/cat/canned-...ormula-cat-food-zid36-731/cat-36-catid-200027 (no carageenan or menadione)

Hound and Gatos - (no carageenan or menadione)

Nature's Variety PRIDE linehttp://www.instinctpetfood.com/prod...ree-canned-cat-food-cheshire’s-chicken-recipe (no carageenan or menadione)

Performatrin - http://petvalu.com/cat/food/product/23724/chicken-formula-adult-performatrin (contains carageenan but no menadione)
@oneandahalfcats    Yeah , it drives me crazy  and to top it off my cats are super picky ..  I  have already tried many many really good brands and they won't touch them ..  I also have a budget which doesn't make it easier ..

I  have checked Authority  @ Petsmart and I  could easily afford that   IF  I can find a flavor they will eat .. I have  to find something locally so I can just buy 1 can to see if they like it ..

I have wasted too much money on food .. I would at least like to find one other that they would eat   WITH   their Fancy Feast .. 
 

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@oneandahalfcats    Yeah , it drives me crazy  and to top it off my cats are super picky ..  I  have already tried many many really good brands and they won't touch them ..  I also have a budget which doesn't make it easier ..

I  have checked Authority  @ Petsmart and I could easily afford that   IF  I can find a flavor they will eat .. I have  to find something locally so I can just buy 1 can to see if they like it ..

I have wasted too much money on food .. I would at least like to find one other that they would eat   WITH   their Fancy Feast .. 
Yes, I have one like this
Maybe the thing to do is try adding a little of a different brand you want to incorporate, rather than serving as a whole meal. This way they get a little taste, but nothing too overwhelming. Over time increase the amount. Sometimes with picky eaters, it requires thinking outside the box and doing things out of the ordinary. For my girl, this means sometimes walking over to the food and mounding it up into a peak when she has walked away. The moment I do this, she begins to eat again? She will happily eat Fancy Feast, but I want her to have the benefit of other, better foods, and so we continue to work at it.

Also, if it hasn`t been mentioned, serving food at room temp is important to some cats. My two boys will eat practically anything out of the fridge, but my girl, no go. She will often walk away. So I take all food out in advance, and also add a bit of warm water.
 
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Yes, I have one like this
Maybe the thing to do is try adding a little of a different brand you want to incorporate, rather than serving as a whole meal. This way they get a little taste, but nothing too overwhelming. Over time increase the amount. Sometimes with picky eaters, it requires thinking outside the box and doing things out of the ordinary. For my girl, this means sometimes walking over to the food and mounding it up into a peak when she has walked away. The moment I do this, she begins to eat again? She will happily eat Fancy Feast, but I want her to have the benefit of other, better foods, and so we continue to work at it.

Also, if it hasn`t been mentioned, serving food at room temp is important to some cats. My two boys will eat practically anything out of the fridge, but my girl, no go. She will often walk away. So I take all food out in advance, and also add a bit of warm water.
Awesome , thank you .. I will try  adding a tiny amount  at each meal . That is a great idea ..  I am going to try the Authority .. I  would love to get them to eat   pate  varieties if I can .. 

My cats will not eat  cold food anyway and they will not eat it heated . They like it straight out of the can  and no extra water .. These cats are something else but    I  gotta love'em ..

I am glad I am not the only one who has cats that will only eat Fancy Feast .. Some people just don't get it ..  I know Fancy Feast is not the best food but It is what my cats will eat .. 

You CAN NOT  make a cat eat something they DO NOT  like .. I have tried . It  DOES NOT  work 
 
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