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post #1 of 27
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US hero Private Jessica Lynch has slammed the American government for exaggerating the account of her 'rescue' from Iraqi captors.

The 20-year-old said "it hurt" for the Pentagon to make claims about the rescue operation that were not true.

And she said it was "wrong" for the US government to use her as a "symbol" for the war.

The outspoken criticism came during an interview on a US news network to promote her book I Am a Soldier Too.

"They used me as a way to symbolise all this stuff," she told the ABC network.

She continued: "It hurt in a way that people would make up stories that they had no truth about."

The slight blonde also said it was wrong for the American military to film the rescue.

The Pentagon initially produced a dramatic account of how Lynch was rescued.

It claimed she had been beaten and stabbed by her Iraqi captors.

"I don't think it happened quite like that," Lynch told ABC.

Sceptics dismissed the original account as wartime propaganda and a BBC documentary alleged the 'rescue' had been staged.

She told ABC she was not involved in any shootout because her rifle had jammed.

Military officials later acknowledged that Lynch wasn't shot, but was hurt after her Humvee utility vehicle was hit by a rocket-propelled grenade and crashed into another vehicle.

American media reported on Thursday that the book, which will be released in the US on Tuesday, would contain allegations that she was raped by Iraqis.

"Even just the thinking about that, that's too painful," she told ABC.
post #2 of 27
Well, yeah, the whole incident was blown way out of proportion. Bad things happen in war and hers was not the only story of terror, injury and rescue. She was a media darling mostly because she is female. I'm sorry this happened to her but she was used to promote American sympathies.

BTW.......I tried to watch the Jessica Lynch movie last night but couldn't stay with it. I thought after the original attack sequence that it was very boring. What did the rest of you think?
post #3 of 27
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I had no interest in watching it
post #4 of 27
I watched it but it was hard to stay with it. The sequence of events they showed on film were not even close to what the public was told happened while it was occurring. I found it odd that when the Americans went into the hospital to rescue they met with no resistance at all. It was very Hollywood- and I am sure Jessica went through some ordeal while being captured, and if she is in denial about what happened to her then that is her body's way of protecting her from the truth.
post #5 of 27
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Originally posted by TNCatFancier
She was a media darling mostly because she is female.
Not because she was female, but because she is a pretty white female. Everyone has forgotten about her comrad, a black woman, who was also captured. The black woman DID fight back and DID shoot at the attackers. She, in turn, was shot through both ankles. She was held captive with the other American soldiers who were taken by the Iraquis.

Since returning to the USA, the black woman has received little if any media attention. The Army wants to discharge her because her injuries are too extensive for her to remain a soldier. Despite this, she is being paid only 30% disability. In contrast Jessica Lynch is receiving 80% disability and is being told that she can stay in the Army.

Something is not right about this picture!
post #6 of 27
According to the news last night, Jessica didn't fight
back at all. She was knocked out when the vehicle
crashed.

So why does she have the million dollar book deal,
college is being paid for and all the media attention?


What was the other womans name? She should be the
hero in this story.
post #7 of 27
I agree. And isn't the other woman a mother of three (or was it two)? I'm appalled that she isn't getting at least as much attention as Jessica Lynch. What's the matter - not photogenic/telegenic enough?
post #8 of 27
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Originally posted by lotsocats
Not because she was female, but because she is a pretty white female. Everyone has forgotten about her comrad, a black woman, who was also captured. The black woman DID fight back and DID shoot at the attackers. She, in turn, was shot through both ankles. She was held captive with the other American soldiers who were taken by the Iraquis.

Since returning to the USA, the black woman has received little if any media attention. The Army wants to discharge her because her injuries are too extensive for her to remain a soldier. Despite this, she is being paid only 30% disability. In contrast Jessica Lynch is receiving 80% disability and is being told that she can stay in the Army.

Something is not right about this picture!
I agree 100%
post #9 of 27
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/10/24...ity/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Army denied having a double standard for determining disability benefits Friday after the family of a former prisoner of war in Iraq complained that another rescued soldier was given special treatment.

The parents of Spc. Shoshana Johnson, who was captured March 23 near Nasiriya along with Pfc. Jessica Lynch and three other members of the Army's 507th Maintenance Company, told The Washington Post that the military is not treating their daughter fairly

The paper says they are accusing the Army of a double standard, insensitivity and racism, and have enlisted the help of activist Jesse Jackson to represent their case in the media. Johnson is black and Lynch is white.

Jackson told CNN Friday that the family was upset because Johnson, who is about to be discharged from the Army, will get a 30 percent disability benefit, while the Post reports that Lynch has received an 80 percent disability benefit.

The newspaper said the difference amounts to $600-$700 a month in payments.

An Army spokesman said disability payments are based on soldiers' medical reviews and that no other factors are considered.

The Army will not confirm benefit figures given to either woman. Payments are generally expressed as a percentage of pay.

Johnson was shot through both ankles in the ambush that led to the capture of several in her company and was held for 22 days.

"She's still struggling physically," Jackson said. "She walks awhile, but she cannot walk long. She then has to put her legs up to take away the stress. She still has playbacks about being in the war under those conditions, so she goes through these highs and lows of stress."

Lynch suffered three breaks in her left leg, multiple breaks in her right foot, a fractured disk in her back, a broken right upper arm and lacerations on her head, family spokesman Randy Coleman told CNN in July. She was discharged as a private first class in August.

Lynch's disability payment is under a temporary status based on her medical condition, according to an Army spokesman. She will be medically re-evaluated during the coming months, and if she improves, that payment may be reduced, the spokesman said.

Johnson's disability payment is permanent, Jackson said. If she gets worse, she can appeal to the Army for a review that could lead to her payments being increased, he added.

Jackson said he believed the Army treated Lynch differently because of the media coverage surrounding her rescue.

"First of all, Jessica Lynch deserves all the treatment that she is getting," Jackson said. "She was a victim of Iraq, and the Army built around her this caricature of American bravado. They said she was shot and stabbed and shot to the last bullet, and she did not say that, and that did not happen. But they sought to use her as a propaganda tool for American bravado."

Lynch was rescued in a nighttime raid by U.S. Special Forces on April 1, and the Pentagon released videotape of the operation.
post #10 of 27
What about Lori Piestewa? She died in Iraq and nobody cared enough to make a movie about her?

I think the media made too much of a big deal over the Lynch rescue. There are others who are worth talking about - what about those POWs?

There is something seriously wrong here.
post #11 of 27
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I agree to much attention was on Jessica that the other
POW's were some how forgotton
post #12 of 27
My friend and I were just discussing the other night how there is more to this whole Jessica Lynch story than we are hearing.
post #13 of 27
oh there is....

from what i've gathered in forum/chats in the area, someone who has a friend involved with military PR said that initially they made Jessica out to be a hero as a recruiting ploy: White females are the smallest enlisted group in the military and they want more of them. so make an all-american white female hero and try to get all the young women to be just like her.

he was the same person who i also heard from that Jessica was injured in a crash while trying to escape and leave everyone else behind--i see it's finally hit the civilian news--she wasn't heroic, just trying to save her own a@@ and lucked out that she wasn't killed on the spot.

that in itself doesn't bother me, it's the fact that she accepted the book and movie deals when SHE knew that she did nothing special.

for the last 2.5 months, if you even mention her name, everyone gets very upset. she is NOT loved by anyone connected with the army.
post #14 of 27
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I agree with ya
post #15 of 27
Welp....

Firstly, did any of you watch last nights interview?

Secondly, she had no part in the movie, in fact, turned down the offer.

The reason she wrote the book, was to set the record straight, to say that she wasn't a hero. In fact, the book is dedicated to the soldiers who she thought WERE/ARE the heros.

It took ALOT of guts to give the answers that she gave, and a hell of alot of integrity for her to straight up tell what happenned.
As for her trying to run away to save her own ass, well that didn't happen either nor could it have the way she was positioned in the Hummer.

It's seems to be easy to sit back and judge someones actions, especialy when people hear things from a freind of a freind.

YES, more attention should have been paid to others, no doubt, and YES D.O.D did hype her story.... all I might add, without her knowledge.

What really saddens me is that this young soldier said she feels ashamed.... ashamed because of circumstances out of her control. No one, i mean no one should feel that after that. She showed no cowardice in the face of the enemy, her weapopn jammed, and knowing the M-16, that's not unbeleivable at all, not even counting the conditions they were in. As a matter of fact, her 1st Sgt couldn't even get it cleared.

As for the disability ratings...

Every member of the U.S. Military, has more than 1 option when it comes to being rated. if you don't like the original rating, you contest it, with more work ups and more doctors to support your case, all paid for by the military. If you still don't agree, then you haver the right to appear in front of the medical board and present your case. Those are the rights... not every one chooses to use them, but they are there for everyone. IF someone accepts the findings of the board on the first or second go round, they have no right to complain. I can tell you that from personal experience (not second hand news) that the board is fair.

I think that every single one of our soldiers is a hero, including Jessica Lynch.

*Edit* Jessica Lynch is no longer in the Army.
post #16 of 27
I didn't follow the Lynch story that closely but I have to say that I agree that this girl doesn't deserve to be given such a hard time for what the military & the media cooked up, or criticized for availing herself of an opportunity (such as the book) offered to her. Most of the story was in play so quickly that I don't think that she was even coherent & concious before it became THE story. That doesn't mean that the other women should not have been seen in the same light.

I think that Lori Piestawa in part got 'less' attention because she was killed, in an unexpected early 'defeat' that the army was not eager to report on. (I thought they named a mountain after her in her home state, but I may be confused abt that.) It was bad enough that the media was showing the awful Iraqi tapes of the captured soldiers being questioned. The Lynch story provided a counter-point to that, and the army jumped on it.If Lynch had gotten killed in the fight, I suspect we would have heard a whole lot less abt her.
post #17 of 27
The one big question I have is this:

Why is it so hard for Americans to figure out that propaganda is part of any war? A war is fought as much at home by the politicians with their spin and propaganda. If it hadn't been Jessica, it would have been someone else. It isn't necessarily a bad thing. We tend to think of propaganda as what the Nazis did in WWII in "brainwashing" the Germans. It was just as alive and well in the US and Britain as it was in Germany. (Sidenote - the new Looney Tunes DVD box set has a bunch of the WWII cartoons in it. Very interesting to watch, and a very different perspective on what propaganda is to the "winning" side of a war.)

You know what? It worked, too. At the time anyway. It brought all of us together, rooting for her to recover and wanting payback for the people who did that to her. (based on the original story)
post #18 of 27
Ken, Thanks for sharing your perspective. Because you are retired military I really respect your opinion on the matter. I didn't watch the interview (I hate those interview shows), so I didn't know that she is feeling humiliated by the whole thing. Now I feel really bad for her, which is probably a good thing.

Even before I read Ken's post, my anger was not with Jessica but with the government for taking advantage of a dramatic situation. As Heidi said, this is propaganda, which is a normal part of any war time situation. However, this propaganda was done at the expense of Jessica Lynch and I still think it was a slap in the face to Shoshana Johnson.

I mis-remembered what I read about Jessica still being in the military -- Ken, thanks for clearing that up.

Lori Piestawa did get a mountain named after her. She is the first Navaho woman ever killed in combat while fighting in the US military. I would love to hear more about her!
post #19 of 27
I do totally agree that she was used as propoganda! I also detest the fact that the others were "played down" or not at all by our government.

There are ALOT of things about this "war" I don't agree with, but that's a whole other thread.
post #20 of 27
Dear Kiwideus,

Lori Piestewa was from Tuba City, AZ. She was a Hopi. Governor Janet Nepoliano renamed Squaw Peak in Phoenix, Piestewa Peak. There was some controversy because she railroaded it through, people were calling her Queen Janet. There had been controversy over the name Squaw Peak for several years. I think she did the right thing, but you never can please everybody.

There most likely will not be any movie about Lori Piestewa. She was a Hopi and her people don't really like publicity. I am suprised that approved of the renaming of Squaw Peak.

Annette
post #21 of 27
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I think that she has been treated as a celebraty instead
of a POW - JMO
post #22 of 27
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Originally posted by chelle
I think that she has been treated as a celebraty instead
of a POW - JMO

So was Senator McCain.......

But I wonder.. how do you think a POW should be treated??
post #23 of 27
Quote:
Originally posted by Goblin
Lori Piestewa was from Tuba City, AZ. She was a Hopi
Oops! I thought she was Navaho. My bad.

Many Native Americans dislike the word "Squaw" because in the old days it was used by white men to denegrate native women. Squaw became equal to (excuse me for using this term) pussy. So, when white men called a native woman a squaw it was a nasty term rather than a term to denote her femaleness. Because of what the word Squaw became, many Natives were unhappy with its use.

So, by naming the mountain after Lori Piestewa they are not only honoring her sacrifice for the country but also getting rid of a name that was seen by many as insulting and derogatory.
post #24 of 27
I think Jessica Lynch is a fine young lady who showed tremendous courage. I did not watch her interview, but I heard about it.

What bothers me about the media is that they act like this is 'inappropriate'. Its a war for Christmas sake. And she is an American Soldier!!! She knew when she went and signed those papers that becoming a POW was only one of the many terrifying circumstances that could occur for her!! I feel badly for her that she had to endure such pain, but thats all in a days work for an American Soldier at war.
post #25 of 27
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Quote:
Originally posted by Imagyne


There are ALOT of things about this "war" I don't agree with, but that's a whole other thread.

This is so true
post #26 of 27
Jessica Lynch is being used as a recruiting tool for women to join the military????? Let's see....captured by the enemy and raped, among other things. Hmm, oh yeah, sign me RIGHT up!
post #27 of 27
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good point Deb
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