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Well he did seem interested in the Rad Cat but smelled it and turned his head, warmed it a little and still a no. Tried the goats milk again and that actually made him gag (head/tongue) again. Here the best video I have of him doing it
I don't want him eating the treats but I feel the treats are better than nothing. He used to love all kinds of food, wet food used to be his treat and now he wants nothing to do with it. Ive been offering the treats as a last resort but Zoneout are you saying its better if he wouldn't eat anything then? I only started offering treats (bought some) after I had tried pretty much everything else.  At the time, since he wouldn't take any type of wet food/liquid or mush (baby food) and I was thinking it may be a problem with his mouth/teeth I bought some soft treats because I thought they may be easier to eat.

Ive tried the Beechnut baby food (only meat) on 2 separate occasions, also tried warmed up...nothing.

Ive watched videos on syringe feeding and although I have not tried, I really cant see that even happening. He has never really liked to be held or picked up, even giving him pills is quite difficult. In the past I would do a liquid med or would crush and mix with wet food juice but since hes not taking any of that (food or liquid besides water) and I cant even crush the Deramarin (directions state)...Anyways Ive been wrestling him 2x's a day (since I have been giving the Pepcid every 12 hours now), he hates it, I feel like a jerk, and as soon as he can he goes and hides for about a half hour.

2 different vets/Dr's checked his mouth thoroughly. For a while I was convinced it was something with his mouth/teeth but both vets said they could not see anything, gums looked healthy, teeth in good condition and strong. They did an x-ray of his upper chest, neck, and mouth, but did not do specific dental x-rays. This was when I showed the video and that particular vet/Dr was convinced it was nausea, gave him a shot, fluids, and prescribed the Pepcid. They also gave them to me pre-cut, so yes, the coating is broken and doesn't make giving him the pill every 12 hrs any easier.

At this point, because of all the money I already spent, I would love answers! but also need to do whats best for him nutritionally, so I would rather (as I did) do the sub-c fluids and did the NG Tube feeding. I know finding the cause (at this point could do dental x-rays, an ultrasound, a biopsy) would help figure out how to treat, but financially (unfortunately) I can only afford so much at a time. If I had the money, trust me, I would do whatever is necessary, but Ive just been taking the vets recommendation as far as whats top priority for him based off my budget. They also want payment at the time of visit, unfortunately no payment plan. Ive looked into vets that offer the Care Credit (financing plan) and they charge a lot more than the vet I go to...but if that's what it ultimately came down to, I would pay the extra as long as I could be on a payment plan.

As for fever: out of the probably 6 times + he has gone to the vet in the last 2 months he only had a fever 1 time but nothing extreme, believe the vet used the word "mild". Was actually back to the vet 2 days after that and he no longer had a fever. I'm not sure about this last time (during the feeding tube), if they did I wasn't in the room, and it wasn't mentioned, I'm sure he would have if checked and had a fever.

As for the fluid in his lungs, this is the x-ray, you can obviously see the difference, but not totally positive but I believe he said surrounding the lungs (pleural effusion).


There are past issues for sure but nothing that he was being treated for when all this started. Guess I also didn't want to initially make a super long detailed post, in fear of people not reading it, so I'm just going off what has been happening now and over the past 2 weeks roughly. Right now, besides the not eating and the tongue/head thrashing (not sure how else to really describe it) and the "slightly" elevated liver enzymes just in the last few days, he IS healthy according to the vet. Yes, an ultrasound/biopsy could show something, whats going on, but might not, and either way will have to continue treating.

(Edit: Almost forgot) Heartworm has never been mentioned by the vet. When all of this started I would say he was more congested (that's when there was the fluid build up) while purring/breathing, breathing was more labored (not open mouth breathing) and at a fast rate (short deep breaths).

Also, the only time he vomited during this whole time was only during that 1 week he was on the Tapazole, which made this all confusing because side effects(he had, I noticed)  include: loss of appetite, weight loss, vomiting (those were the only side effects I noted at that time, breathing/congestion has gone away) but after he had been off the Tapazole for a week (only received it for 1 week) I thought perhaps that was why he no longer seemed interested in food (because that's when he started to barely eat anything). This was when he had blood work ran a 2nd time and results showed everything was in the normal/healthy range, was given the trans-dermal form of the Tapzole but told to decrease the dosage by half (from 2x's a day to 1x a day)
 
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No eating or drinking in the last 12 hours now. Just gave him the Denamarin and Pepcid and it took me 4 times before he swallowed them/did not spit out.

I put a call in to the vet to update them and also see what they recommend as far a amount of (sub-c) fluids and waiting on a call back. Unfortunately today and tomorrow I work 10 hour shifts. For now he seems to be okay, did get his meds, relaxing in the shade on the porch.

 

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If this were my cat, I would be feeding him bowls of treats if that's all he would eat.  You can always deal with transitioning away from them later, but there is something going on with him and it sounds like you've tried everything.  I assume you've also tried kibble.  I would give him anything to just eat.  
 

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FYI and somewhat off the main topic but: if the medicine is prescribed for humans, you can get it as a flavored liquid, anything from bubblegum to tuna. Could you mix the Petcid in something like clam or tuna fish juice and get him to lick it (maybe off the palm of your hand).
Desparate times call for desparate actions....Good luck, it is clear to me that you're a good, concerned mom.
 
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Yeah, that's how I feel I guess, treats are better than nothing, right? I know I know not nutritious, but its still something. Unfortunately he will only eat a few at a time, last night he would only eat them if I threw one on the floor and he had to go get it. Ive tried to put some in a bowl but he wont touch them. I'm still doing the treats as a last resort, tried the Rad Cat, as well as the Stella & Chewy again, and he just smells it then walks away. At one point he did eat some Meow Mix that's crunchy on the outside and soft in the middle (this was when I thought it might be a mouth/teeth issue) but have tried with that and nothing since in the last 2 weeks Id say. He's still out in the shade on the porch, put a bowl of fresh water out there and he did just drink about 1 tablespoon (Id say) of water so that's something at least.

Thanks again everyone for the concern and thoughts/advice, I really appreciate the support!
 
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Update: Vet just called back and he was happy to hear that he is drinking water and even the little bit of food (well treats), he thinks its a start. Told him that Ive been giving him the Denamarin and the Famotidine (Pepcid). I was worried (as everyone here knows) about his food intake (lack of) and if I should give him the sub-c fluids, if so, how much. He thought since he is drinking a fair amount of water (I told him about 2-4 tablespoons of water a day on average) that he didn't think the fluids were necessary. Obviously check for dehydration signs (neck pinch, gums) still. s for not eating, he thinks its a start and it generally takes the Denamarain about 5-7 days to kick in and he felt I should just keep doing what I am. If no change come Monday or Tuesday then I should check in with him again.

So kind of relieved but still wish he was eating more (something more substantial) but vet didn't seem too concerned if anything felt he was making progress?!
 

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In reading your post # 21, I'm not sure if you're saying you're not worrying about the cause right now. 
  I guess I like to get to the root of the problem in hopes that effective treatment would resolve the symptoms. I watched the video. I am not a vet and cannot diagnose your cat, but I'd be particularly concerned about an oral issue (tumor, ulcers, FORLs, FOPS), a heart issue (CHF), or FIP. If it's a heart issue, sub-q fluids might be dangerous. I understand that you cannot afford all the tests all at once. I know they are expensive. But I personally would not stop exploring possible causes with the vet. You never know. It may spark an idea or thought and they might want to take another look at his chart.

Is Marcel on pain medication?

When Sebastian was recovering from his first bout of pancreatitis, the only food he would touch is Kitten Chow (dry) and 9 Lives Real Flaked Tuna (canned). He's on a much better diet now, but at that time, eating something was more important. My Boo is not eating particularly well right now and he likes the Orijen freeze-dried treats, which I crumble over wet food.

ETA: Sorry, meant to say post # 21. I've edited that above.
 
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Hi,

Have you tried sprinkling a treat in the radcat dish?   Maybe try throwing one in if that`s what gets him excited.   

The video to me looks like there is something under his left upper lip that is annoying him.   It starts with him licking the area then he tries to remove whatever the annoyance is with his paw.   It could be tooth pain, gum disease, maybe just a small fish bone stuck between his teeth.    My thought would be to show the video to a different vet and explain what is happening.   As others have said - only way to get a good look at the mouth is under sedation.

My other thought was the fluid in the lungs.    Is this totally cleared up?   Does he lick his nose alot like in the video?    It could be a slight nasal blockage maybe related to the lung issue....   As I mentioned before, cats will not eat if they cannot smell their food.

Once when I took my cat to the vet she put the cats head back and put a single drop of antibiotic in each nostril and we watched as the cat sucked the drop into his nose.   She said she did this as a test to see if there was a nasal blockage.

Is it just the video or is the cat a bit hefty?     

I am believing this will work out.      Keep up the good work.
 
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In reading your post # 21, I'm not sure if you're saying you're not worrying about the cause right now. 
  I guess I like to get to the root of the problem in hopes that effective treatment would resolve the symptoms. I watched the video. I am not a vet and cannot diagnose your cat, but I'd be particularly concerned about an oral issue (tumor, ulcers, FORLs, FOPS), a heart issue (CHF), or FIP. If it's a heart issue, sub-q fluids might be dangerous. I understand that you cannot afford all the tests all at once. I know they are expensive. But I personally would not stop exploring possible causes with the vet. You never know. It may spark an idea or thought and they might want to take another look at his chart.

Is Marcel on pain medication?

When Sebastian was recovering from his first bout of pancreatitis, the only food he would touch is Kitten Chow (dry) and 9 Lives Real Flaked Tuna (canned). He's on a much better diet now, but at that time, eating something was more important. My Boo is not eating particularly well right now and he likes the Orijen freeze-dried treats, which I crumble over wet food.

ETA: Sorry, meant to say post # 21. I've edited that above.
Oh no, I'm still very worried, especially having to work these shifts (yesterday/today). Felt a little relieved that the vet wasn't too concerned, but obviously want to get to the root of the problem too!

As far as tumors, ulcers, FORL, FOP...I have research this myself because for a while there I thought there had to be something going on with his mouth/teeth, possibly even throat. This was the one time he did have a slight fever, also examined by the same vet but a different doctor there, they did another x-ray but only of the upper chest, throat and (basically jaw)...everything looked good. Obviously I would have liked more specific x-rays of the mouth/teeth but at that time he was the doctor convinced it was nausea causing it (saw the video, actually all 3 different doctors have seen it), gave him the shot for nausea, fluids, and the Pepcid prescription to take home. The next visit after that was when he had stopped eating altogether and he stayed and had the NG Tube put in...so haven't pursued anything since then, since that was exactly a week ago, got home on Tuesday, and the vet as of  yesterday didn't think he needed to come in until at least Monday or Tuesday next week.

I will be sure to mention all these things because its looking like I will be taking him in again, probably on Monday now...yesterday he ended up not eating anything (not even treats) and just that little bit of water.

He is not on pain medication, just giving him the Denamarin 1x a day and the Pepcid 2x's a day. He has received shots in the past for pain (1-2 x's since this started) but it didn't seem to make a difference at all, thinking why they didn't think it was a mouth/teeth problem, more nausea if anything?

I also believe they ruled out any sort of heart problems/disease because of x-rays and blood work, same with FIP (especially since no fever but that 1 time) and has not had any fluid build up since.

I appreciate the advice, I'm going to keep doing what I can, even if its just little by little here (what I can afford at the time). Will also pick up some more food from the store today, if anything to just try and see.
 

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If you are near a Trader Joe`s food store go to the pet food section.   They have specific cat tuna.   Its real tuna but the stinkiest part of the fish.   Its cheap ... maybe 60 cents a can but it might be worth a try.   Cats love the smell .... go figure.
 

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I have no experience with feeding tubes, but I have been wondering if there is lingering irritation from the NG tube that is adding to the problem. Just a thought ... I wouldn't be feeling like eating after having something shoved down, left in, then taken out of my nose. 
 
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Hi,

Have you tried sprinkling a treat in the radcat dish?   Maybe try throwing one in if that`s what gets him excited.   

The video to me looks like there is something under his left upper lip that is annoying him.   It starts with him licking the area then he tries to remove whatever the annoyance is with his paw.   It could be tooth pain, gum disease, maybe just a small fish bone stuck between his teeth.    My thought would be to show the video to a different vet and explain what is happening.   As others have said - only way to get a good look at the mouth is under sedation.

My other thought was the fluid in the lungs.    Is this totally cleared up?   Does he lick his nose alot like in the video?    It could be a slight nasal blockage maybe related to the lung issue....   As I mentioned before, cats will not eat if they cannot smell their food.

Once when I took my cat to the vet she put the cats head back and put a single drop of antibiotic in each nostril and we watched as the cat sucked the drop into his nose.   She said she did this as a test to see if there was a nasal blockage.

Is it just the video or is the cat a bit hefty?     

I am believing this will work out.      Keep up the good work.
When I offered the Rad Cat yesterday he gagged (did what he does in video) when I opened the container (doesn't gag? at the Stella & Chewy, treats or with water, just seems to be any sort of wet cat food, the goats milk, and some human foods that I prepare for myself). I'll try it today but have tried that in the past, mixing in some treats with more "nutritional" dry food, he just acts like its tainted and doesn't eat any of it then. edit: just attempted and again, just at opening the container he does the head/tongue thing, gagging, then walked away (and I went to comfort him).

The video was taken June 3rd (so a few weeks ago already). That's when he was actually still eating, just not as much as normal. Then he only seemed to do it during or after eating his food. 3 different doctors have seen the video, all did a through exam, but as I mentioned he hasn't had specific dental x-rays done yet, none of them seemed to think I needed to? at least at the time and after seeing the same video that I posted on here.

I also think that if he is going to need to be sedated, I'm going to have them do a couple things all at once (perhaps the biopsy), wouldn't want to keep having to do that to him and really hate the thought of him having to stay over night, or worse, a few days again at the vet. But I am keeping that option open if I have to. At first it does appear like he almost has something stuck in his mouth (by the way he is acting) but the fact that he has been doing this for a few weeks now and even just at the smell of food...

As for the fluid in his chest, 2 sets of x-rays since the first set (which showed the fluid) look great, no fluid except that one time only, ever. I wouldn't say he licks his nose more than the normal cat would/does, the video shows this but it was also right after he ate (when he was eating).

As for smell, he hasn't had any tests done for this, but the fact that he does the head/tongue thrashing, gagging, just at the smell of certain foods, tells me (at least) that his sense of smell seems to be okay.

He used to be hefty. Was a bigger cat when I got him from the shelter at the age of 2, 10 years later he was averaging around 21lbs. I know this is not a healthy weight for a cat and have put him on diets (less food). When he had the fluid drained (first vet visit) he was at 19lbs, then about 2-3 weeks later he was 18, then 16.5, then 16 and now the last time he was weighed he was 15. I know 6 lbs over 2 months is a lot for a cat but once again, the vet (none of the 3 different doctors) seemed to think it was THAT drastic of a weight loss? Especially since up until this last time, with the elevated liver enzymes, all organs appeared (x-rays/blood work) to be functioning well and healthy.

Edit: Not sure how long it took for him to lose the inital 2 lbs (from 21-19), late last year he was weighed and was at 21 lbs then, and then started offering less food, this was like last Oct or Nov when I just took him in to get shaved (since hes a bigger cat has a difficult time reaching/cleaning his back/sides and would get him shaved 1-2x's a year). When this all started (end of April) he weighed the 19 so really its been about 4 lbs in the last 2 months that Im certain about.
 
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If you are near a Trader Joe`s food store go to the pet food section.   They have specific cat tuna.   Its real tuna but the stinkiest part of the fish.   Its cheap ... maybe 60 cents a can but it might be worth a try.   Cats love the smell .... go figure.
I have a few hours before work. Will make a stop, not that close by but...

Anything is worth a try, making me stressed out/frustrated but whatever. I'll give the cat tuna a shot, my mom also suggested chicken from the can. Only thing I'm worried about is that it seems like anything moist and meaty causes him to do the gagging thing (like the video). I don't want him to think I'm doing this to him on purpose, doesn't seem that painful to him but it hurts me to see him do that. Its all worth a try though!
 
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I have no experience with feeding tubes, but I have been wondering if there is lingering irritation from the NG tube that is adding to the problem. Just a thought ... I wouldn't be feeling like eating after having something shoved down, left in, then taken out of my nose. 
I agree and I think that's why the vet wasn't too concerned (as of yesterday) because he had the NG Tube in Saturday afternoon thru Tuesday early evening (didn't take it out until I came and picked him up). Ive also read on this myself and others have said that it generally takes a few days for them to eat again (understandable). When at the vet with the feeding tube they kept him in hopes that he would start eating on his own (I think just being at the vet, in a cage probably made him not want to anyways). So I was super happy when that very night he drank water and then the next day had some food (well treats), only a few, but at the time I felt it was a start, perhaps a gradual one. Read up on the Deramarin and sounds like a similar type of situation, if they are not eating when they start the Denamarin, after 5-7 days they usually start to.

Unfortunately today he has only had a few sips of water, maybe a teaspoon or 2 worth and no food at all, not even the treats. Will try again a little later before I have to leave for work. gave him the Denamarin and the Pepcid (went better than yesterday) and so want to give him a little break for now.
 

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If you are near a Trader Joe`s food store go to the pet food section.   They have specific cat tuna.   Its real tuna but the stinkiest part of the fish.   Its cheap ... maybe 60 cents a can but it might be worth a try.   Cats love the smell .... go figure.
It might be worth trying Trader Joe's other foods, too: there's a fish food and our previous cat loved their turkey/giblets (I think it was), which she would actually eat when she was sick and not really wanting to eat. (Oddly, she wouldn't eat the tuna, which I thought would be the most appealing!) All the TJ foods are fairly cheap.
 
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It might be worth trying Trader Joe's other foods, too: there's a fish food and our previous cat loved their turkey/giblets (I think it was), which she would actually eat when she was sick and not really wanting to eat. (Oddly, she wouldn't eat the tuna, which I thought would be the most appealing!) All the TJ foods are fairly cheap.
Thanks...I'll add them to the list! :)
 

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It might be worth trying Trader Joe's other foods, too: there's a fish food and our previous cat loved their turkey/giblets (I think it was), which she would actually eat when she was sick and not really wanting to eat. (Oddly, she wouldn't eat the tuna, which I thought would be the most appealing!) All the TJ foods are fairly cheap.
I have tried the other TJ cat food too and I have to admit it seems to be really good quality.  I think it was the. turkey pate.   The ingredients list is as good or better than wellness at about half the price.
 
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When I offered the Rad Cat yesterday he gagged (did what he does in video) when I opened the container (doesn't gag? at the Stella & Chewy, treats or with water, just seems to be any sort of wet cat food, the goats milk, and some human foods that I prepare for myself). I'll try it today but have tried that in the past, mixing in some treats with more "nutritional" dry food, he just acts like its tainted and doesn't eat any of it then. edit: just attempted and again, just at opening the container he does the head/tongue thing, gagging, then walked away (and I went to comfort him).
I guess I am not really clear about what you mean by gagging.   To me gagging is when an animal has something stuck in its throat and makes violent attempts to expel it.    What I see in the video is the cat putting his paw to his mouth a couple of times.   Cats do this when they have something stuck in their mouth - they try to remove it with their paw.    It also seemed that the mouth/lip area where the cat was attempting to rub with his paw seemed puffy - but it could just be his normal good looks too - hard to tell from the clip.    

When my cat used to get thread or other inedible stuff in her mouth she would kind of quickly thrash her head from side to side and flick her toungue to try and expel whatever it was.

By gagging are you saying that he is making throaty (choking) sounds that perhaps we do not hear on the video?   
 

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This Sounds similar to what you're going through. If this is what it could be, the cat has to have a dental with full x rays of the mouth to detect.

Here is good info about FORL in cats:

http://www.felinecrf.org/dental_problems.htm

Here is thread on the ragdoll forum where she discusses her cats symptoms, which sound similar to yours:

http://www.ragdollcatguide.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=19253

I think you need to explore dental issues; you said his teeth have not been X-rayed, right?

I feel so bad for him! I hope you find the cause soon.
 
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I guess I am not really clear about what you mean by gagging.   To me gagging is when an animal has something stuck in its throat and makes violent attempts to expel it.    What I see in the video is the cat putting his paw to his mouth a couple of times.   Cats do this when they have something stuck in their mouth - they try to remove it with their paw.    It also seemed that the mouth/lip area where the cat was attempting to rub with his paw seemed puffy - but it could just be his normal good looks too - hard to tell from the clip.    

When my cat used to get thread or other inedible stuff in her mouth she would kind of quickly thrash her head from side to side and flick her toungue to try and expel whatever it was.

By gagging are you saying that he is making throaty (choking) sounds that perhaps we do not hear on the video?   
Yeah, I'm not even sure if "gagging" is the right word to use, just hard to describe in general. Since I know what seems to trigger it (not that I want to torture him but would help to have more video of it) I will try to prepare myself for a time when I think he will do it and try to get a better, more recent shot.

He's not choking, and does it just at the smell of food, also been going on for about a month now, has had the visual inspections by the 3 different doctors, gums/lips are healthy (does have some black spots but that has always been there, numerous, numerous visits to the vet and no one has ever said it was bad)...so seems to rule out anything getting caught in his mouth. Sorry, just difficult to explain, glad I have the one video I have of it at least. Maybe a better way to describe it is when us humans taste something we don't like, like certain types/flavors of medicine or alcohol and you kind of shake your head in disgust (like after doing a strong shot of something!) and you just want to get the taste out of your mouth??? He doesn't make any sounds when he does it either, it just pains me to see him do it and I crouch down and comfort him and that seems to help him stop?
 
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