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If this were your grandchild wouldn't you try to help the police?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I can't believe this woman! With her granddaughter fighting for the use of her leg and 150 plus puncture wounds, don't you think she would want to co-operate with police. From cp24.com

Canine Crackdown

A grandmother of a little girl is now facing charges, after her dogs brutally mauled the 11-year-old from Pickering.

Fifty-three-year-old Heather Laverdiere was charged with obstructing police and attempting to obstruct justice.

The canine nightmare took place on October 26, when investigators were told little Jynnie Kent was attacked while attempted to break up a fight between the French mastiffs. But now, according to the Durham Police website, allegations say that the “victim and her sister were coached by their grandmother to tell police that the dogs were in a fight.â€

After probing the case, authorities learned that the girl went out to the dog pens and tried to put the females in their own cages, separate from the males. But then one of the creatures turned on her, “tearing her coat and knocking her to the ground,†and several others then joined in the assault.

The child lost about three pints of blood in the attack and had to have surgery to rescue her right leg. While she’s now said to be in fair condition, she’s still going to need more operations.

Laverdiere, who runs a breeding facility out of her home, was released on specific conditions and has to stay away from the victim. She'll answer the charges in an Oshawa courtroom on December 22nd.

The Rest Of The Story

The story is terrible enough without it being distorted. And now the mother of a young girl mauled by two of her grandmother’s French Mastiff dogs one week ago is trying to set the record straight.

The original story of the attack on Jynnie Kent said the 11-year-old Pickering girl went out to stop a fight between the canines. Then reports indicated she’d simply forgotten to close a pen in her grandmother’s backyard, while playing with the animals.

But her mother insists none of those versions are true, and that her daughter was playing with some puppies when a female dog suddenly lunged at her, leading four others to join in. “She's angry,†relates Shelley Low. “She wants to know why this happened to her, because she did not provoke these dogs.â€

Kent has had to to endure five surgeries since the creatures attacked her on October 26th. And she’ll likely face several more. Her mother knows her daughter is just lucky to be alive. “If she had have been out there any longer, I truly believe she would have been killed. The fact that she fought for her life tells me she's a strong kid. She's holding in there very, very well.â€

As for reports indicating Jynnie had asked authorities to spare the lives of the dogs that attacked her? “She wants these dogs destroyed,†insists her mom. “She doesn't want this to happen to anybody else ever again.â€
post #2 of 20
Sounds like Grandma has some messed up priorities. One thing the story doesn't say, but it is alluded to, is if the girl was alone with the dogs. Sounds like she was. I know she is 11, and that is pretty old as far as it goes, but why wasn't Grandma there supervising - if for no other reason than the safety of her dogs???
post #3 of 20
I've been following this story closely since it first came on the news.

I am SO sick of reading another story about a kid that is mauled by a dog!!! When will people smarten up and realize that you should NEVER leave a child unattended with a dog?

With all the stories of rottweilers/mastifs attacking kids what should society do? Of course it's not the dogs fault, but should these breeds be banned? Should they only be available by license? What is the solution?

People are not taking the responsibility that is needed to train and supervise these dogs correctly. But if cities continue to allow these breeds, how do you make sure that the public remains safe when so many owners are irresponsible.

I don't have the answer, but these 'accidents' are on the rise and as populations grow, there will only be more sad stories like this one.

post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 
That child is going to be afraid of large dogs for the rest of her life!

Kass - you raise some good questions and I dont know the answers, except that something obviously should be done. People neeed to take ownership of their dog's actions, not just the dog.
post #5 of 20
Originally posted by adymarie
People neeed to take ownership of their dog's actions, not just the dog.
Like other similar events, this dog will probably be put down.

But why should a dog die, because it's owner was an idiot who didn't train or supervise properly? Killing 'violent' dogs is not going to stop this problem.

Proper ownership will.
post #6 of 20
Thread Starter 
If the female dog who attacked was the puppies mother then I am sure instinct to protect the puppies was the motivation for the attack. I fully blame the owner for this incident!
post #7 of 20
To broaden the scope of this discussion, I feel the need to put my nickle into the pot.

In most jurisdictions, dogs need to be licensed. In many jurisdictions, cats need to be licensed.

The fees for licenses are generally reduced for an altered animal to encourage neutering and spaying.

Perhaps it is time to require training before being granted a license to posess a n animal as a pet? In Canada, it is a requirement that one take firearms training prior to obtaining a firearm.

But let's carry this one step further. (I can hear the groans now)

With the increasing lack of concern for children, why not require a license for pregnancy with appropriate training before such a license is issued?

Your thoughts and comments please.

post #8 of 20
I hate these stories. Maybe if the law wasnt to put the dog down then people would tell what really happened. I just feel bad for the dogs.
post #9 of 20
Thread Starter 
Originally posted by 4Siamese

With the increasing lack of concern for children, why not require a license for pregnancy with appropriate training before such a license is issued?

Your thoughts and comments please.

At times I think that wuld be a good idea or at least make sure that prenatal and caregiving classes are given. IMO, child care giving classes should be given to students of both sexes in highschool to educate them as to the trials and tribulations of raising a child.
post #10 of 20
Originally posted by adymarie
People neeed to take ownership of their dog's actions, not just the dog.
That right there is at the heart of the entire problem, and unfortunately it isn't something that can be legislated. It wasn't grandma's fault for not watching the child. It's not the child's fault (probably the truest of all of the statements, but again since no one was WATCHING her interaction with the puppies, who knows??? She may have pulled a puppy's tail to make it stay with her (possibly repeatedly), puppy yelped, mother dog attacked... I'm NOT saying the child is at fault, just one possible scenario...) The dog can't defend it's own actions or say what happened. So kill the dog.

On a broader spectrum, in society as we know it SOMEONE has to be blamed for everything bad that happens. Someone has to "pay". If you can't sue someone, then kill something. It's that simple. No one will take responsibility that THEY may have contributed to a bad situation unless they are legally bound to. Child molesters were molested as children themselves so they can't be held accountable. Gang members grew up in poverty, so that is society's fault for not making life easier for them to get ahead. Serial killers were abused and had dysfunctional families growing up. Whatever happens, it's not your own fault.

Pat, I have to say that licensing for having children (although it could never actually happen) is the best idea I've heard in a long time. We have to have licenses to drive cars, and raising a child is so much more responsibility than that! On a more practical note, I think Ady has a good idea of making childrearing part of a curriculum. Unfortunately, that will bring into play the differing opinions of childrearing (is it OK to spank ever? Would that be the future abuser's excuse - they told me I could in school?).
post #11 of 20
Unfortunately, when a child gets hurt, the parents always try to blame someone or something else, when most of the time, it is their own fault. Yes, this is sad that a little girl was attacked by these dogs, but she should have been supervised. I don't know how big these dogs are, but most people think that a dog should know the difference between a human child and another dog. The dogs may have viewed this small child as another dog moving into their territory or if there were puppies involved, viewed her as a threat to them. Case in point. I used to have a neighbor that had a very large dog. ( I don't remember what kind it was, since this was about 20 years ago) The couple eventually had a baby. Well, one day, their baby, who was old enough to crawl, was bitten in the face by their dog. Sad story, but even worse for the dog because he/she was put down This dog should never have been put down,it wasn't a mean dog. Here is what happened. My neighbor told me that the dog was EATING and the baby crawled over to the dog and it's bowl of food. That is when the dog bit her. The dog viewed this baby as another animal attempting to take it's food. It was only doing what is natural. Here again, they, the parents were the ones to blame, not the dog. That baby should NEVER have been by the dog while it was eating! A dog does not know a baby crawling on the floor is a human!
post #12 of 20
Originally posted by Russian Blue
With all the stories of rottweilers/mastifs attacking kids what should society do? Of course it's not the dogs fault, but should these breeds be banned? Should they only be available by license? What is the solution?
Some of the German "länder", most notably North Rhine-Westphalia, have banned breeding, made muzzles obligatory, and removed "dangerous breeds" from owners with criminal records. The animal shelters are full of pitbulls, bull terriers, etc., that, although they've been tested by professionals and found to be of good temperament, have virtually no chance of being adopted. People who have such breeds, even though their dogs aren't any more dangerous than a German shepherd or dachshund (the breeds that bite most often), are mobbed by neighbors and forced to give up their pets.We have friends who have a boxer, a breed that is usually extremely friendly and non-aggressive with people. Because their dog is brindle, people mistake her for a Staffordshire, curse the people out, throw stones, etc..!
I agree that something should be done, but don't feel there is any solution except to ban breeding within a country and prohibit imports of those breeds. In time, there will be fewer and fewer of the aggressive breeds.
post #13 of 20
Amber, a French Mastiff is a VERY large (120-145 lbs) dog, with a relatively calm temperament.

I can't believe this girl was left alone with these dogs at all, much less with a dam and puppies! Any idiot knows a mother dog will protect her puppies if she feels they're in danger. And a child can sometimes be percieved by large dogs as more threatening than an adult, because they stare right at the dogs at eye level, which is perceived in dog language as a direct threat. Children often exhibit many behaviors that dogs may find threatening - shouting, moving quickly, grabbing, etc. That's why supervision is a must for protection of both the child and the dog, even with dogs that are gentle & friendly.

I don't think the answer lies in banning certain breeds of dogs.
Certainly a larger dog is capable of doing more damage, more quickly, but large dogs can also be very useful to mankind, in many ways. I think the issue is more that of responsible pet ownership, responsible breeding, and responsible parenting and supervision of children. My city has a problem with pit bulls and rottweilers being used for illegal fighting, and being raised to be aggressive for property protection (which is really stupid - the gentlest dog will protect you if it needs to). They're also used by drug dealers, and by people who want to project a 'gangsta' image. But I've seen pit bulls that were extremely loyal and gentle, too.

I think the idea of mandatory obedience & socialization training & licensing is a great idea. Good obedience classes educate owners just as much as dogs.

The parenting classes aren't a bad idea, either.

I think classes should also be included to teach children how to behave around pets, too.

Here's an American Veterinary Medical Association article on the subject of breed-specific legislation:
post #14 of 20
This is just a terrible situation all the way around
post #15 of 20
Originally posted by tuxedokitties
I think the idea of mandatory obedience & socialization training & licensing is a great idea. Good obedience classes educate owners just as much as dogs.
I agree!
post #16 of 20
while reading this, I was thinking about that poor woman in San Francisco, who was killed while trying to get into her apartment by her neighbor's Presa Canarios. From what I've read, that breed of dog in earlier times was bred for a certain amount of viciousness, as 'war dogs'. The owners were clearly a$$holes, but 2 labradors would probably not have killed the woman, no matter how irresponsible their owner was.

My brother has a Shih-tzu (sp?), and has a nearby neighbor who has an Australian Sheep Dog. He's told me the sheep dog will often try to 'herd' the Shih-tzu in a diligent way, and once drove away
another neighbor's dog which was approaching the Shih-tzu in a way that the sheepdog thought was menacing.(The sheepdog has seen my brother's dog on many occasions since my bro and that dog's owner are friends.) The sheepdog has lived in Florida his whole life, and it is probably likely that neither he nor several generations of his forebears have ever seen a sheep, but he does just what he was bred to do.

It really does make me wonder whether the traits intentionally encouraged in certain breeds over centuries can be easily eliminated. Responsible ownership can go a long way, but the reality is that the 'gangstas' who want fighting dogs are not going to pay attention to laws passed to encourage responsibility. I also believe that even with some relatively normal people, there is something about a breed's aggressive history that attracts them to that particular dog, whether they admit it or not. I would not want to own an 100 to 150 pound cat (especially with 2 of mine now on diets!). I personally think that discouraging reproduction of certain dog breeds with a greater potential for violent behaviour is a better solution than people and other animals being mauled or killed, and the dogs in question then having to be put down. Or at a minimum, perhaps certain types of dogs should not be legal as house-pets, to not eliminate breeds. It hard though to think of an effective compromise since these are 'domesticated' pets with potential to be deadly, as opposed to the NYC Tiger tale where clearly the animal was never intended to be a housepet, but for which there was a reasonable alternative for it (a wild cat preserve.)
post #17 of 20
I feel that the grandmother needs to be punished for trying to cover up the attack.

Chances are almost 100% that it was the mother dog that started the attack. Protecting her puppies and since Dogs are very social dogs you hurt one you hurt them all. so mom starts the attack and everyone else joins in to help her out. But I am very much against putting any animal to sleep no matter the case. These dogs were doing what come naturally to them.....they were protecting their young.

Aas for leaving a child unattended with the animals.....the girl is 11 years old.......I was showing dogs when I was that age! I was also breeding them........and I was also training them to be attack dogs......it's not the matter of NEVER leaveing a child unattended with a dog it's a matter of know when to allow the child to play with them and if the child is educated in the treatment/handling of the puppies and adults. I have said this before but I was raised with dogs. when i was an infant up until I was 9 years old I shared my room with a dog. and yes it was shared.

as far as having training before licesning them.......I can't tell you how many dogs I have met/seen/trained, that were unlicesned. Just because you are required to have them doesn't mean people do it. same as Spaying and Nueturing not everyone does it. to me taking a step like that is just more ways of letting the government control my life. and that is something I will never let them do.
post #18 of 20
Thread Starter 
I have heard that at least 2 of the dogs will be put down as early as today. The grandmother has also been charged with running an illegal breeding facility.

Lucia - LOL at the image of the poor little Shih-tzu being herded!
post #19 of 20
Those poor dogs
I agree, the best thing for children is to teach them how to handle and take care of animals. Just like with everything else in every day life, kids need to shown what is right or wrong, How else will they know? Shame on that grandmother
post #20 of 20
As much as love Ike and Pearl, I would never leave them alone, with the grandkids. I am 99% sure that neither of them would hurt the babies but, we'll not take chances.

To date, the dogs haven't even SEEN the babies. I'm waiting until the girls get bigger. Pearl is just so rambunctious, I'm afraid that she might hurt them, inadvertently. Since both dogs are so good with the cats, I'm sure that they will be OK, with the babies.

As for this story, I'm sure that we'll never know the exact truth of the matter. All of the parties involved have a personal stake in this.
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