Siamese?

TWO QUESTIONS
Is this a Siamese or part siamese? He looks blue-grey but not Siamese. She says he is 3-4 weeks old and not with his mom. Holy cow... Can they eat food that small?

TWO
AT WHAT AGE will males start reproducing or trying?
I got an email from a lady today about this kitten. I guess her big girl cat didn't like this little guy and she needs to get rid of him.
I am questioning her. Like has he been to a vet. He is not fixed. I forget at what age males can be done.

I love his look... But I am curious on the fixing question and if he is Siamese.


Thanks.

I can't see anything about him that is Siamese!  Is that what she told you?

He is way too young to be neutered.  And he should be with his mum.. he should only be just starting to wean at 4 weeks.

Is 'the big girl cat' the mother?  It's a little difficult to know what is going on.

From what I am understanding... she thought he was Siamese because if his blue eyes. Woweee. I thought I knew very little. I was pretty sure it had no Siamese.

From what I understand.... the mother got outside, ran away and never came back. Is this comon?

I am asking questions... has he had shots? Was he born inside or out? (She keeps skirting this question), has he had shits (again... skirting the question).
Good news is... shots are not much here. For all listed on the vets site for kittens, I added up $25 per kitten.

He is not litter trained but is eating pate. I need to go back and reread her messages (the last ones it was really late)... I think she said he was bottle fed. IF the mom was her cat, I am not sure why she was unsure of his age. And where the mom went. Why she has not cime back.

I could not remember the neutered age. Which is why I asked.

I am sorry my message was so messed up. I was going off of information she was giving me or gave me up until then.

If he IS 3-4 weeks, is pate like food not goodfor him?Sounds like he is fully off the bottle.


I hope I answered everything. Kids got me up really early and I nave noy had my coffee. I am on the Nook, so exscuse me for spelling errors. It doesn't spell check.

Mani said:

I can't see anything about him that is Siamese!  Is that what she told you?
He is way too young to be neutered.  And he should be with his mum.. he should only be just starting to wean at 4 weeks.
Is 'the big girl cat' the mother?  It's a little difficult to know what is going on.

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1.) At 3-4 wks old, this baby is just beginning to nibble on wet/soft food. However, baby should STILL be bottle fed if momma cat is not around. He should get kitten milk replacement (KMR) until 6 wks of age. He should be fed about every 4 hrs AROUND THE CLOCK.

2.) No, this baby would not yet be using a litter box. It is likely that he is just beginning to gain bladder control. By 5-6 wks is when kittens *typically* start associating bowel movements with the litter box.

3.) No, he should NOT have been given vaccines at this age. Our vets do not recommend vaccinating until 8/9 wks of age (some people will do it at 6 wks.)

4.) He cannot be neutered until AT LEAST 8 wks of age AND 2 lbs. (Our rescue prefers to wait until a kitten reaches 5 lbs.)

5.) All kittens have blue eyes until they are 6-8 wks old. =)

I agree in all with CatPack.  His blue eyes are just because he is so young yet.  A baby who needs bottle and possibly also be stimulated to pee and poo...

so its nothing peculiar with him not having no vet work  done, but the owner dont wanting to write it out, is of course suspicious.  What else is she hiding??

Although I see he is nicely bluish.      You can perhaps even pretend he has a little of russian blue in him, instead. 

Yes, it is not unusual mom cats get run over with careless owner.  they can get in heat again quite soon after delivery.  Unlike humans, they arent protected by lactacing.  so being in heat, she wants out.  And its highly dangerous out there, especielly if you are in full heat and have your head somewhere else...  Cars, loose dogs, mean boys, etc...

If you want to help an orphan, yes, go on.  It will be a praiseworhy deed!

Or if you by any other reason accept to adopt a little kitten.

But you must know, it is a little kitten, lots of work to do, no siamese no, and all the vet works still to do.

A link to get some ideas:  www.kitten-rescue.com, about helping orphans.

Good luck!

I agree with StefanZ he can probably have some Russian blue in him.

He is on wet food. No more bottle. Would getting him baby kitten milk help? She said she has been mixing milk with the pate food. Not sure what mind of milk.

He is just not using the potty yet. We will work with him on the potty.

Man poor mom.

We are use to young ones (our first set of siblings were 4-5 weeks old but eating wet 14 years ago). They needed no help.
Reading what I have read here in the past month. I wish this forum had been around back then! This last set two were 5 weeks,one was 7 weeks. Hard to believe we have had them a month!


I think we are going to take on the challange. I don't want him going to a kill shelter.

I will need anothet litter box, another water and hard food dispenser.

I am not surewhat a Russian Blue is but I love blue and I am Russian

KittehKatLover said:

I agree with StefanZ he can probably have some Russian blue in him.:kitty2:

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StefanZ said:

I agree in all with CatPack.  His blue eyes are just because he is so young yet.  A baby who needs bottle and possibly also be stimulated to pee and poo...

so its nothing peculiar with him not having no vet work  done, but the owner dont wanting to write it out, is of course suspicious.  What else is she hiding??

Although I see he is nicely bluish.      You can perhaps even pretend he has a little of russian blue in him, instead. 

Yes, it is not unusual mom cats get run over with careless owner.  they can get in heat again quite soon after delivery.  Unlike humans, they arent protected by lactacing.  so being in heat, she wants out.  And its highly dangerous out there, especielly if you are in full heat and have your head somewhere else...  Cars, loose dogs, mean boys, etc...

If you want to help an orphan, yes, go on.  It will be a praiseworhy deed!

Or if you by any other reason accept to adopt a little kitten.

But you must know, it is a little kitten, lots of work to do, no siamese no, and all the vet works still to do.

A link to get some ideas:  www.kitten-rescue.com, about helping orphans.


Good luck!

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I have moved this thread to this forum so that you will get some help with your little kitten.

There are things you really need to do to help him as he is very young to be away from his mother.

rachaelinaz mostly all kittens are born with blue eyes. When they are about 3-4 months old their eyes will become their natural adult color. So, at first his eyes will be blue but then they'll turn into a bright emerald green color. The first pic is a kitten and the second is an adult. 

That kitten looks closer to 4 weeks than 3. Also, at 4 weeks, I personally don't feed every 4 hours around the clock. My 2.5 weekers are going 5/6 hours at night at 3 during the day. The important thing is that they gain weight consistsntly every day.

Also, if she is mixing "milk" with the soft food that's fine. I've had some bottle babies wean early and some really late. I had one last year that would not give up the bottle, and I've had others that were interested in licking food off my finger at 3.5 weeks old. Keeping all babies in a bottle until no earlier than 6 weeks is not always realistic. Ideally the sucking helps with other issues, but sometimes it just doesn't work out like that. The important thing is that they are getting proper nutrition, and if that's from a bottle or a bowl is up for debate.

I've also had luck introducing litter as early as 4/5 weeks. I use something like line pellets that they can play in but that it won't stick to them or be small enough for them to eat. I also don't leave it with them. Most use it pretty reliably by 5 weeks. In fact, I usually joke that my bottle babies are toilet trained before they're off the bottle (a stark contrast to human babies! LOL).

I also find it interesting that some vets won't spay/neuter till 5 pounds. I have an 8 year adult who is only 7 pounds. She's a waif. She'd have been well over 6 months before she hit 5 pounds. 2 is the magic number for all my rescues and for every vet we've worked with, which is usually around 12-14 weeks (give or take), and that's when I give the first round of vaccines too. Everyone has been dewormed before then, however.

A 4 week old kitten is only a couple of weeks away from being "independent" (eating/drinking/eliminating on their own), which to me is like a dream as far as orphans go, especially if he's already eating from a bowl. I say go for it. I would NEVER advocate for separating a baby from mom, but there certainly exists the potential for a strong bond when you hand raise an orphan. It's very rewarding, I love it!

He's a real little beauty-cutie.  You can Google Russian Blue to see what they look like in general.  They are lovely.  It sounds like this little guy needs you.  My advice would be GO GET HIM!

(but then, I'm a rescuer at heart....)

We are going to pick him up here in 30.

What can you tell me about deworming? I have never done it or knowingly had it done.

I am going to check out the other site. When looking for a kitten site, this was the only one that came up with activity.

I would have a decal done first. Usually strongid (pyrantel) covers the common parasites that kittens have (hooks and roundworms), and if something like coccidia or giardia is found you'll need different meds. I usually do 3 rounds of strongid 2 weeks apart so that all life cycles are covered (initial die off, then whatever else has hatched two weeks later, same thing 2 weeks after that). Do NOT be alarmed if a fecal is positive. Intestinal parasites are pretty common in little kittens, especially if you don't know this baby's history.

Have fun! Congrats!

Is this something I can get at Petßmart or does he need to go to the vet? It will have to happen on Monday.

@rachaelinaz 

A very large proportion of kittens are infested with ascarids. Other worms may be present, too. It is advisable to have your veterinarian check your kitten’s stool before treating her for ascarids. Otherwise, other worms and internal parasites, such as coccidia, may go undetected.

Worm infestations are particularly harmful in kittens who are subjected to overfeeding, chilling, close confinement, or a sudden change in diet. Stressful conditions such as these should be corrected before administering a deworming agent. Do not deworm a kitten with diarrhea or other signs of illness, unless your veterinarian has determined that the illness is caused by an intestinal parasite.

Kittens with ascarids should be dewormed at 2 to 3 weeks of age and again at 5 to 6 weeks. If eggs or worms are still found in the stool, subsequent treatment should be given. Due to public health considerations, many veterinarians recommend deworming kittens with a safe dewormer every month until 6 months of age. 

It's best if you take him to the vet because if you buy the medication you need to help him swallow the medication. In my opinion the medication is cheaper than taking him to the vet.

No, strongid is not OTC from a pet store. Once he is old enough to have topical antipastics applied, products like advantage multi can be used to prevent heart worm/hooks/roundworms, but in the mean time it really is best to have a fecal done. Some vets will allow you to drop off a stool sample and will send you home with dewormers, but given his unknown background it's probably best he get a check up too.

Anti parasitics*