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Hi everyone - I'm new here :) this is post one :)

I recently took on an approx 10mo Birman and her then 10 day old kitten (bubs nearly 4wks old now). They were surrendered to a friends vet when bubs was newborn. Both are in very good condition and mum has been very well treated going by her behavior :) She definitely has opinions on all humans are good for ie attention and food etc and shes pretty well got me trained already lol.

I've never had to deal with a mum with kittens so this has been a big learning curve for us Thankfully shes been a good mum and while craves human attention (and is incredibly vocal & playful) regularly goes back to bubs. The youngest kitten i've had has been 4wks but was eating enough solids to get by and very easily litter trained. Bubs has only just started to come out play the last few days (and is not surprisingly rather large being a solo kitten on the milk bar).

Mum was obviously an out door cat and it took a few different litter types before we found one she'd use (gritty clumping type that's definitely not kitten safe). Our house is pretty small and we gave up trying to confine mum to the laundry or bathroom (both very small). She just kept relocating bubs over the barriers to behind our couch (shes athletic!!). We had to use barriers to extend the rooms as the rooms are too small with the doors shut.

She also won't have currently use the kitty litter tray in the laundry, only the one in the bathrooms bathtub (even when she was locked in the laundry on first arrival). I have one high sided tub and one more normal tub and it didn't matter which was in the bathroom. I also have a kitten size tray (with kitten safe litter) in the laundry. This is our next issue. Bubs can't access the bathtub and we are getting over the mess/smell in the middle of the house etc so would really like to get mum cat using the laundry one, especially so bubs learns. Given the house layout we are really limited with options and much to momma cats disgust she will not be an inside/outside cat until spayed and we move house next year (busy road).

It doesn't seem to be privacy related as she'll go while we are in the bathroom. I've ruled out the tubs by swapping them over. Any other suggestions?? ideas??

We are almost at the stage of just relocating the tubs to the laundry and shutting the bathroom door - we have been limiting access more and more over this week (with no issues - she just goes first thing and in the evenings mostly anyway) with the plan of seeing what happens now shes really settled in. Their food is not located in the laundry anymore either so its not that.

Thanks in advance :) Oh and here's the obligatory pic of Momma and bubs :)

 

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 we found one she'd use (gritty clumping type that's definitely not kitten safe)
exactly, bubs first litter shouldnt be clumping litter...   so its just good bubs doenst manage to come into moms litter.

Have a shallow litter [tray] for bubs, with non clumping litter in there.

Lets hope mom wont carry bubs into her own litter...

Good luck!
 
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Mom is not only a gorgious girl.  Her looks reveals she may even be a birman for real.

If so, take care when its time for spaying her.   Some birmans manage the standard sleeping agents badly.

So make sure the vet knows what he does, and if necessary, takes appropriate test before.  This means, you cant pick the cheapest vet around, who is probably good with the knife, but probably uses the cheapest standard sleeping agents he can get.   Talk it over with this vet, at least.

The other significant for Bubs  probably wasnt a birman, I dont think there are black birmans.
 
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exactly, bubs first litter shouldnt be clumping litter...   so its just good bubs doenst manage to come into moms litter.

Have a shallow litter [tray] for bubs, with non clumping litter in there.

Lets hope mom wont carry bubs into her own litter...

Good luck!
Cheers - yep i have a shallow kitten tray set up with safe paper based litter. The high sided tray bubs definitely can't get into on her own yet and i doubt mum could carry her in now either. She tried to pick her up last night and couldn't get her off the ground, just dragged her a bit with bubs squawking loudly before i distracted mum. If i can get her to use the laundry tray i will start with a barrier of some sort first for mum to jump over i think.

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Mom is not only a gorgious girl.  Her looks reveals she may even be a birman for real.

If so, take care when its time for spaying her.   Some birmans manage the standard sleeping agents badly.

So make sure the vet knows what he does, and if necessary, takes appropriate test before.  This means, you cant pick the cheapest vet around, who is probably good with the knife, but probably uses the cheapest standard sleeping agents he can get.   Talk it over with this vet, at least.

The other significant for Bubs  probably wasnt a birman, I dont think there are black birmans.
Thanks - my vet friend was very positive she was Birman, even without the white toes - she has several. Thanks for that info re Birmans - i didn't know that. The plan is to take her back to my friends practice for everything. They are expensive but also part of the teaching uni and run a 24 emergency clinic so very experienced. Since we don't know mums history she'll be getting all her shots etc again too at the same time as bubs.

Yep - I've read that birman kittens start really light then darken generally. I have also been told by another vet friend that birmans often cross out black to non-birmans - no idea if true or the colour genetics of it though. Bubs is mostly a really dark brown with black and grey coming through in patches. Will be interesting to see what colour she ends up - safe bet though she will be long haired.
 
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We have 2 cats - "Raani" the 1yo Birman and her now 14 wo kitten "Ella Monsta" (she's a bit jeckel / hyde type). They were surrendered to the vet where a friend works and we ended up with them when Ella Monsta was 10days old (the only kitten).

I'm curious to hear how and if others wean kittens that you plan to keep with mum anyway please?

Monsta is well and truly eating well and i know mum doesn't have much milk (only one teat too) so i suspect its more for comfort than anything which is why i've not been overly worried about bubs being weaned. Raani also shows no signs of weaning bubs herself (shes is the sweetest cat and lets Monsta get away with anything....hence the name :/ ).

We have a very small unit and we did leading up to Raani going in for spaying lock them separately at night so they got used to being separated. But the noise and then lack of sleep drove me crazy. The improvement in attitude of Monsta though was huge (she actually started getting called Ella again). I suspect she would have a very different personality if weaned and an "only cat" but seeing we are keeping both i don't see how we can 'break the bond' so to speak.

I assume (hope maybe) eventually Raani will self wean and Monsta will be confident enough to not need it but can't see it happening any time soon. Monsta will also be spayed soon and  i'd like to make it as stress free as possible (solo vet visits for vaccines resulted in a very scared little Ella kitten where as when she went with her mum for the first vaccine Monsta well and truly came out to play).

Any suggestions/comments please? Cheers
 

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Eh. I kept one kitten from a pregnant stray I picked up, and she let him nurse for nearly a year. He's confident and friendly, and didn't get too upset when I moved out with him and the mama cat stayed with my parents, when he was about 3. I wouldn't worry about it. The mama cat will cut her off when she doesn't want to nurse anymore. The only time it's important for her to wean is if she gets pregnant again and that's not going to happen :D.
 
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14 weeks is still pretty young. I've read it isn't uncommon for an only kitten to nurse until 4-5 months if mom allows it. She would be more anxious to wean the kittens if she had a large litter all clamoring for milk. The mom will eventually put a stop to it, or the kitten will lose interest and stop on her own.
 
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Cheers...will keep going as is then :-)
 
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