The well-known problem of IBD or lymphoma and pancreatitis

Status
Not open for further replies.

zoneout

TCS Member
Super Cat
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
992
Purraise
99
Location
Stamford, CT USA
Ok, I am answering your question from MissMindy's thread here.

And as I find myself writing and writing and writing, I apologize up front for the length of this post.


The stool is yellow pink, not pasty gray/white-ish? Because these indicate two different things.

The pink is likely from fresh blood - this would likely be due to the IBD/colitis.

Yellow is due to the food whipping through her system too quickly, e.g. malabsorption. The volume is a bit concerning though - if it is gray/pasty, that is almost always a sign of EPI (Exocrine Pancreatic Insufficiency) and a lack of proper bile production. But those are usually very large, fluffy poops, not watery or diarrhea. So it sounds like malabsorption, and there are absolutely a number of steps you can take to address that.

I am sharing information that has helped many other IBD kitties. Please bear in mind:

1) My philosophy is to address things with diet and appropriate supplementation first,
2) that is to say, for me, traditional treatment and medications can be very important tools, but are my second choice.

That said, please discuss treatment choices with your vet. But if your vet is ONLY traditional, and unfamiliar with natural approaches, do not expect support. At that point, it is up to you whether to find a new vet that is willing to be your partner, or whether you want to use any of these approaches at all.

- Has she had the cobalamin/folate test done? If her B-12 levels are low, her diarrhea will not resolve without this being restored. B-12 is an incredibly important tool in the management of IBD, and even if her cobalamin levels are "normal," B-12 shots (which can be done at home) usually improve malabsorption, intestinal function, energy and appetite.

- Steroids can be very helpful to control run-away inflammation, but making changes to diet and supplementation may enable you to successfully wean your cat off of them.

Here's my thinking on the subject:

“The main hypothesis for the cause and development of human IBD is that there is a dysregulation of the mucosal immune responses to intestinal microflora and/or dietary antigens. This same abnormal immune response to dietary antigens is often suspected in feline IBD.

…The important point that seems to have been missed is that it is actually the feeding of a species-inappropriate diet that has led to the rise in inflammatory bowel disease in cats and loss of integrity of the gut wall.

By feeding cats inappropriately and not recognising them as obligate carnivores, we have damaged their intestinal tracts… “

This is from Feline Inflammatory Bowel Disease: Nature and Treatment, Feline Nutrition Education Society (FNES) Lyn Thomson, BVSc DipHom March 09, 2012

While there are many vets - especially holistic ones - that support raw feeding in the treatment of IBD, it can be hard to find in print. There are no studies, so the evidence is all anecdotal. And switching to raw does NOT resolve the problem for all IBD kitties. That said, a healthy diet is a healthy diet. If we've been eating pizza all our lives and suddenly start eating salad, our systems are going to be upset too. That does not mean salad is not healthy for us. And is it essential the diet be raw? Probably not. Controlling the ingredients is most likely the most important aspect. That said, we have no idea exactly what happens when cooking and how that impacts a cat. Less unknowns in feeding the food raw. Dr. Lisa Pierson has developed a balance between raw and cooked that no one else employs. It's something to consider ( http://www.catinfo.org/?link=makingcatfood ). But at this point in time, I've seen many cats switched to raw and have formed stools for the first time in, sadly, often years, have their first fully formed stools after their first meal of 100% raw food. Notably, the All Feline Hospital (in Lincoln, NE) notes that they “started trying commercial raw food diets with amazing results.” They further state

"We have had cats with confirmed by biopsy IBD that had severe IBD and significant symptoms that had to be on very high doses of steroids just to have some quality of life. Many of these cats had a complete reversal of signs and symptoms by going to an exclusively raw food diet, and were able to either come off of all medications, or at the very least, drastically reduce their medications."

So there are traditional vets that "get" it. Ooops, edited to add the link: http://www.allfelinehospital.com/site/view/206534_inflammatoryboweldisease.pml

NOW.... sometimes the disease has advanced beyond the point that diet alone will control the problem. Probiotics, IMO, are absolutely critical to IBD cats, as there has been a definitive link made between IBD and gut dysbiosis in people. This may not be the precipitating factor in all cases, but in treating bacterial overgrowth, parasites, what-have-you, almost all cats (and people) with IBD have taken antibiotics - often lots of them - and this has thrown their internal environment completely out-of-balance.

THIS what leads to leaky gut and the "apparent" allergy to some proteins. And THIS is why novel proteins need to be used, at least initially, when first working to heal the damage done from IBD.

To help repair leaky gut and restore normal function to the intestinal lumen, probiotic support is an absolute must, IMO. And not pet probiotics, which are given in doses that are too small, and usually in the form of "fermentation product," which are NOT live CFU, and function as digestive enzymes in that format.

Working with several feline IBD support groups, we are finding that in many, many, many cases, the use of S boulardii is stopping diarrhea dead in its tracks. Now - that is when the primary problem is bacterial overgrowth, not "just" rampant inflammation. But it is safe, and as a yeast-based probiotic, can be co-administered with antibiotics. In fact, that is how it is often used in humans, as adjunct therapy in the treatment of antibiotic-resistant Clostridium difficile in hospital settings.

The addition of MOS (mannan oligosaccharides) improves the performance of S boulardii, and thus we're recommending people use the Jarrow Brand (if you're in the U.S.). Many cats do not like the taste, so often you need to administer in pill form. The Jarrow capsules are too large, and the cat dose is half a capsule twice a day anyway for the therapeutic dose. But to use for "stop diarrhea," buy size 3 empty gel caps, and fill those. Give them every 2 hours or so while you're home and awake. You can safely do this for up to three days. If it doesn't help by then, it's not going to, but you should continue to give the S boulardii, just move to the twice a day, 2.5 billion CFU (half the jarrow capsule).

S boualrdii does not colonize the gut, thus it must be given twice a day. It clears the system entirely within 36 hours.

This is why S boulardii is such an important tool in IBD:

Simply explained in the Biocodex FDA submission (last link), S boulardii is not digested and absorbed in the gut and does not exert its effect systemically. Instead, S boulardii acts locally in the lumen of the gut. During its passage through the intestine, S boulardii mimics the physiological effects of the digestive flora, stimulating healthy immune response and reducing inflammation.


Saccharomyces boulardii prevents enteritis from Clostridium difficile infection
http://archives.focus.hms.harvard.edu/2006/091506/research_briefs.shtml


"Saccharomyces boulardii in Gastrointestinal Related Disorders," Point Institute Technical Report (2008) http://www.pointinstitute.org/wp-co...s-Boulardii-in-GI-related-disorders-paper.pdf


Saccharomyces boulardii effects on gastrointestinal diseases, (Zanello et al. 2009) http://www.horizonpress.com/cimb/v/v11/47.pdf


Review article: anti-inflammatory mechanisms of action of Saccharomyces boulardii, (Pothoulakis 2009) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2036.2009.04102.x/pdf


"Systematic review and meta-analysis of Saccharomyces boulardii in adult patients," (McFarland 2010) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2868213/


Anti-inflammatory effects of Saccharomyces boulardii mediated by myeloid dendritic cells from patients with Crohn’s disease and ulcerative colitis, (Thomas et al. 2011) http://ajpgi.physiology.org/content/ajpgi/301/6/G1083.full.pdf


Efficacy and safety of the probiotic Saccharomyces boulardii for the prevention and therapy of gastrointestinal disorders, (Kelesidis & Pothoulakis 2012) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3296087/pdf/10.1177_1756283X11428502.pdf


New Dietary Ingredient Notification for S boulardii (FDA submission) by Biocodex (Florastor) (includes summary table and references) http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/95s0316/95s-0316-rpt0301-04-vol239.pdf


Other tools to help stop leaky gut, and to manage a flare-up crisis:

Stop whatever you're feeding. Use a novel protein for your cat - if turkey is new, either buy organic turkey thigh from Whole Foods or somewhere, if you can find it, OR use Beech Nut turkey baby food (NOT GERBER: gerber contains corn starch, and this can be an irritant to IBD cats). If turkey is not a novel protein for your cat, you can buy duck or pork - pork is likely leaner, and fat can be a problem for IBD kitties. So buy a low fat cut like loin and trim it well. Poach it, and feed it with ALL the water it was cooked in, that has valuable nutrients in it. You can shred it or toss it in a food processor. Feed this for up to a week unbalanced. After that, you need to think about either introducing and SLOWLY transitioning to balanced raw, or balancing the home cooked food. It's not hard. There are recipes in the Raw & Home Cooked Cat forum, just use the desktop view and find links to the threads in the Resource threads stickied at the top of the forum.

In the meantime, make bone broth.

According to Dogs Naturally, “Bone broth is a long forgotten superfood that’s inexpensive, nutrient packed and easy to make.” This is just as true for cats as it is for dogs. The article outlines the reasons to provide bone broth to your pet:

1) Bone Broth is Good for Joints
2) Bone Broth Helps the Liver Detox
3) Bone Broth Promotes a Healthy Gut
4) Bone Broth is Great Nutrition for a Sick Pet

The “healthy gut” section states:
The lining of the intestines is [sic] contains millions of tiny holes that allow the passage of digested nutrients to enter the body. Stress, poor diet and bacterial overgrowth can cause more holes to open or to become bigger…this is called leaky gut.

The problem with those big holes is that things can pass through that aren’t meant to, including undigested food matter, toxins and yeast. The body will notice those undigested food particles as foreign invaders and start to attack them. This is how allergies and food sensitivities develop.

Bone broth is loaded with a gooey substance that can plug up those leaky holes: gelatin!

https://www.dogsnaturallymagazine.com/reasons-your-dog-love-bone-broth/

“Leaky gut” is technically known as dysbiosis, mentioned above. According to “Dysbiosis in the Pathogenesis of Pediatric Inflammatory Bowel Diseases,” (Comito and Romano, 2012, International Journal of Inflammation),
"A condition of “dysbiosis”, with alterations of the gut microbial composition, is regarded as the basis of IBD pathogenesis. The human gastrointestinal (GI) microbial population is a complex, dynamic ecosystem and consists of up to one thousand different bacterial species. In healthy individuals, intestinal microbiota have a symbiotic relationship with the host organism and carry out important metabolic, “barrier,” and immune functions. Microbial dysbiosis in IBD with lack of beneficial bacteria, together with genetic predisposition, is the most relevant conditions in the pathogenesis of the pediatric IBD."

Bone broth, full of collagen and gelatin, is a very healing and soothing food for your kitty, especially if kitty has IBD. I don't have references for it, but I believe the function of the collagen is as an anti-inflammatory.

This is an article and video recipe by Dr. Karen Becker of the Healthy Pets blog (Mercola):
http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2013/12/02/pet-bone-broth.aspx

This is the same instructions in PDF format:
http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/HealthyPets/DrBecker-BoneBroth.pdf

Another article on the benefits of bone broth, this one written by Susan Thixton (of Truth About Pet Food):
http://www.theorganicview.com/recipes-health/cook-your-pet-a-healthy-broth/


The discussion of the role of dysbiosis in IBD (in humans)

Comito , D and Romano C. 2012. Dysbiosis in the Pathogenesis of Pediatric Inflammatory Bowel Diseases, Intl. Jour of Inflammation Vol 2012, Article ID 687143, 7 pages. http://www.hindawi.com/journals/iji/2012/687143/


Other helpful things.

Slippery elm bark powder. This is also healing, soothing, and helps address over-acid stomachs which many IBD kitties experience.

http://www.littlebigcat.com/health/slippery-elm/

Ongoing Probiotic Therapy. Including an acidophilus+bifidus supplement, to help restore important strains of healthy bacteria that populate the gut. My cats do not have IBD, but I use Natural Factors double-strength acidophilus+bifidus and give 1/2 a capsule 2x a day. I alternate this with Nexabiotic every-other day. Nexabiotic is the only probiotic supplement in the U.S. that I know of that contains lactobacillus, bifidobacterium AND S boulardii. When (if) your kitty's diarrhea resolves, Nexabiotic is an excellent maintenance probiotic for long term use vs. the Jarrow. Especially because most cats eat it just sprinkled on food. Please note, Natural Factors is not lactose-free, which is important for some IBD cats. And note that Nexabiotic contains maltodextrin, which can be a problem for some IBD kitties.

Digestive Enzymes. After ensuring your kitty does not have EPI, digestive enzymes absolutely help improve metabolism and digestive function. Use plant-based enzymes, they work in a much wider pH environment. Many have good success with Prozyme or Prozyme Plus (Prozyme Plus is lactose free).

Medical tools I think every IBD kitty parent should have on hand:

Appetite stimulant (Cypro or mirtazipine. There are far fewer adverse reactions to cypro, but it must be given 2x a day vs. once every three days)

Anti-nausea medication. If slippery elm isn't cutting it, you may need pepcid a/c (famotidine). If that doesn't help, try ranitidine (zantac), it has additional motility function. If that doesn't cut it, then cerenia. Directions for pepcid or zantac at Tanya's CRF website: http://www.felinecrf.org/nausea_vomiting_stomach_acid.htm#treatments

B-12 shots. See above.

Consider sub-q fluids. With IBD that presents with diarrhea, kitty is often dehydrated. Sub-q fluids given at home REALLY improve how they feel.

I might have forgotten stuff.

If you want to consider transitioning to raw, consider using Rad Cat. Tiki cat when converted to a per pound basis costs about $8.00 per pound. The problem with Rad Cat is that it is not easily available in many locations, and they only have chicken, turkey, and lamb. Rad Cat usually costs $9 - $10 per pound, but over time should save you plenty in vet bills. Also, cats fed raw typically need to eat 10% - 30% less, and that is not reflected in a comparison when just looking at cost per pound. Though making your own cat food is not difficut, and if you've been feeding Tiki cat, Weruva, and Nature's Variety Instinct, it will definitely cost you less.
The IBD info in here is excellent.   If not already, I would suggest making it a sticky.

Just to mention ...  the symptoms of IBD are highly variable.   For instance, my cat never had diahrea - only chronic vomiting.     Cerenia helped - unfortunately it cannot be given long-term.     And usually the flre-ups are cyclical.    Just when you think your cat never looked better - they can quickly spiral downhill.    

LDG... and everyone contributing to our understanding of this awful malady .... a heartfelt thankyou and gratitude for your time and effort.   We are in this together for the benefit of our very close furry friends.

God bless you all.
 

ldg

TCS Member
Veteran
Joined
Jun 25, 2002
Messages
41,310
Purraise
842
Location
Fighting for ferals in NW NJ!
The IBD info in here is excellent.   If not already, I would suggest making it a sticky.

Just to mention ...  the symptoms of IBD are highly variable.   For instance, my cat never had diahrea - only chronic vomiting.     Cerenia helped - unfortunately it cannot be given long-term.     And usually the flre-ups are cyclical.    Just when you think your cat never looked better - they can quickly spiral downhill.    

LDG... and everyone contributing to our understanding of this awful malady .... a heartfelt thankyou and gratitude for your time and effort.   We are in this together for the benefit of our very close furry friends.

God bless you all.

Yes, the list of symptoms includes:

• frequent vomiting or intermittent bouts of vomiting
• regurgitating hairballs more than once every two months
• diarrhea or bouts of diarrhea
• constipation
• unexplained weight loss
• variation in appetite and/or nausea
• lethargy


And many, many - too many vets - let pet parents buy into the "my cat has a sensitive stomach," or "she vomits because she eats too fast." See this article, summarizing evidence-based research by Dr. Gary Norsworth, indicating that frequent vomiting is almost always the result of small bowel disease: http://www.veterinarypracticenews.c...c-vomiting-in-cats-isnt-normal-after-all.aspx

The issue is where in the gut the inflammation is localized. That will determine if the problem is vomiting or diarrhea - but it almost always tracks back to somewhere in the intestines (jejunum, ileum, or large intestines (maybe the colon), almost never in the upper GI tract (e.g.esophagus, stomach or duodenum).
 

denice

TCS Member
Veteran
Joined
Feb 7, 2006
Messages
18,890
Purraise
13,227
Location
Columbus OH
Yes the old " your cat is sensitive".  Patches started with flares when he was only 18 months old and would be so sick he would need to be hospitalized on an IV.  From multiple vets I got the "your cat is sensitive" diagnoses.  I was actually at the point after 6 years that I was considering euthanasia because I couldn't keep up with the large vet bills and no resolution.  He would sometimes go as long as 8 months and be fine, sometimes it would only be 6 to 8 weeks.
 

peaches08

TCS Member
Top Cat
Joined
Jan 11, 2013
Messages
4,884
Purraise
290
Location
GA
 
Yes the old " your cat is sensitive".  Patches started with flares when he was only 18 months old and would be so sick he would need to be hospitalized on an IV.  From multiple vets I got the "your cat is sensitive" diagnoses.  I was actually at the point after 6 years that I was considering euthanasia because I couldn't keep up with the large vet bills and no resolution.  He would sometimes go as long as 8 months and be fine, sometimes it would only be 6 to 8 weeks.
Yep, sounds familiar!  I even got the "If they were fine on dry, then why did you ever switch them to wet food?  Just put them back on dry kibble and that will fix everything."  Um, no. 

I'm ashamed to admit this, but euthanasia was in the back of my head for Gadget.  NOTHING was helping him, or it would help a few days and stop working.  His poor little bum was so red and it hurt.  I was at a loss.  I'm glad I tried raw, even against that vet's advice.
 
Last edited:
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #146

arinlars

TCS Member
Thread starter
Adult Cat
Joined
May 22, 2014
Messages
227
Purraise
12
Location
Seattle
That is all so familiar . When I moved across countries the vet said oh it's the stress from the airplane or the food. I spend so much money on a cat clinic to tell me it's an upset tummy because of stress . I wish I knew better and insist on an ultrasound.
 

myrnafaye

TCS Member
Super Cat
Joined
Apr 20, 2014
Messages
931
Purraise
168
Just found the following on line, I am only posting part of it but will also leave cite:

"What is the treatment for inflammatory bowel disease? And small cell lymphoma? For inflammatory bowel disease, it depends somewhat on the severity and type. Treatment may include hypoallergenic diet, certain antibiotics such as metronidazole (Flagyl) and/or corticosteroids such as prednisolone. In cases of inflammatory bowel disease, the corticosteroid is very slowly tapered down based on the cat's progress; for example a cat might be on 10 mg a day for 2-3 months, then 5 mg a day for 2-3 months, then 2.5 mg a day, and so on. Unfortunately, most cats on corticosteroids for IBD cannot get off the drug entirely without relapsing.

For small cell lymphoma. the situation is different. Corticosteroids are also used, but the dose is never tapered, unless necessitated by side effects or other health issues. Generally cats are left on the same high dose for the rest of their life, and luckily they seem to do fine with this regime. In addition, cats with small cell lymphoma are usually treated with a drug called Leukeran (chlorambucil), also for the rest of their life. For example, a cat might receive one 2 mg tablet of Leukeran every other day. The combination of prednisolone and Leukeran works very well long-term in many cats. You can see why it is so important to obtain a definitive diagnosis if possible; if you did not know a cat had small cell lymphoma and treated presumptively for IBD, as the corticosteroid dose was tapered, the cat would relapse or potentially develop the much more devastating cancer called lymphoblastic lymphoma."

vetconfidential.typepad.com/vetconfidential/2009/10/inflammatory-bowel-disease-in-cats-ibd-1.html
 

ldg

TCS Member
Veteran
Joined
Jun 25, 2002
Messages
41,310
Purraise
842
Location
Fighting for ferals in NW NJ!
But just to throw in another approach: using Leukeran (chlorambucil) for a few months to control inflammation. I know a number of IBD kitties now that used Leukeran short term to stop out-of-control inflammation, and they came off of it successfully and now have ..... whatever they have (because the kitties were either never biopsied or biopsy provided no definitive diagnosis of cancer) managed with a raw diet.
 

zoneout

TCS Member
Super Cat
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
992
Purraise
99
Location
Stamford, CT USA
 
Again if your cat never lost weight then I think its probably not lymphoma, and I suggested you put that question to your vet.  And no you can never be sure about anything, but we can make informed and educated decisions, and it is also possible that you could do a full biopsy and have an inconclusive result - i was told this can happen as much as 20% of the time.  So even the biopsy may leave you empty handed.

@Rubydoo67 is correct that you can't obtain a positive diagnosis without a biopsy, but as i mentioned earlier, the treatment for small cell lymphoma and IBD is identical so both diseases can be treated correctly without a true diagnosis.   All you lose without a diagnosis is the ability to add very serious chemo treatments later, past the point where most cats can continue a meaningful life.
Hi, apologies for bringing this up late but just was running this again thru my noggin.   Just relating to what I saw with my recently deceased cat.    There was no definitive diagnosis from any vet.   However, you make the distinction that lymphoma is more likely to cause weight loss than IBD.    I am having a hard time reconciling that since a cat will have bouts of vomiting or diarreah or both during an IBD flareup.   Wouldn`t this lead to weight loss?   In my cats case she totally lost her appetite as well leading to further weight loss and so I had to force feed her.

Thanks

Z
 

myrnafaye

TCS Member
Super Cat
Joined
Apr 20, 2014
Messages
931
Purraise
168
Z, these are random comments.  I was told by an internal med vet that cats with lymphoma do not necessarily have diarrhea.  My cat Obi has neither diarrhea nor vomiting of food,  his appetite is very good.

I suspect the question(s) you raise are all part of why vets are so reluctant to distinguish between IBD, lymphoma, or some other GI disease.  And then when the pancreas is involved, the picture gets more complicated.
 

stephenq

TCS Member
Veteran
Joined
Jun 19, 2003
Messages
5,672
Purraise
944
Location
East Coast, USA
@zoneout
I'm sorry I wasn't being clear. IBD can present with or without weight loss depending on severity and type, sm cell lymphoma will cause weight loss at least when it's at a point where there is going to be a diagnosis.

And yes the pancreas complicated things.
 
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #152

arinlars

TCS Member
Thread starter
Adult Cat
Joined
May 22, 2014
Messages
227
Purraise
12
Location
Seattle
Mimi went to the holistic vet today! She did some accupuncture but she hate it she was afraid and then agry she bit the needles away. The she had a b12 shot and got enzymes. I think she will feel better, she really did not like the accupuncture but she got a little sleepy too.

The vet felt a little lump on the large intestine but she thinks it's poop which I will see with ther internal medicine. When the good news is Mimi is feeling awesome and eating so much even my others cats food, but she doesn't gain weight. She just poops it all out, like really large solid firm poop. :/ then again Mimi was always thin but we will see with the enzymes now. They are from beef spleen. I am going to check Mimi's pancreas too.
 

zoneout

TCS Member
Super Cat
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
992
Purraise
99
Location
Stamford, CT USA
@zoneout
I'm sorry I wasn't being clear. IBD can present with or without weight loss depending on severity and type, sm cell lymphoma will cause weight loss at least when it's at a point where there is going to be a diagnosis.

And yes the pancreas complicated things.
Got it - thanks.   Is the lymphoma weight loss due to loss of appetite or malabsorption of nutrients?
 

goholistic

TCS Member
Top Cat
Joined
Feb 27, 2013
Messages
3,306
Purraise
370
Location
Northeast USA
Mimi went to the holistic vet today! She did some accupuncture but she hate it she was afraid and then agry she bit the needles away. The she had a b12 shot and got enzymes. I think she will feel better, she really did not like the accupuncture but she got a little sleepy too.

The vet felt a little lump on the large intestine but she thinks it's poop which I will see with ther internal medicine. When the good news is Mimi is feeling awesome and eating so much even my others cats food, but she doesn't gain weight. She just poops it all out, like really large solid firm poop. :/ then again Mimi was always thin but we will see with the enzymes now. They are from beef spleen. I am going to check Mimi's pancreas too.
LOL. Sounds like Mimi was being feisty with the acupuncture. I hope the lump is just poop. I'm glad to hear Mimi is feeling better. Sending vibes that the enzymes help! 
 

peaches08

TCS Member
Top Cat
Joined
Jan 11, 2013
Messages
4,884
Purraise
290
Location
GA
 
Got it - thanks.   Is the lymphoma weight loss due to loss of appetite or malabsorption of nutrients?
These, and often times there's a change in the metabolic rate due to the cancer's growth/needs.
 
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #157

arinlars

TCS Member
Thread starter
Adult Cat
Joined
May 22, 2014
Messages
227
Purraise
12
Location
Seattle
So Mimi was itchy today she was scratching her butt on the carpet and I pick her up and saw her little butt has a red, little zit thing. She is reworked so I wonder what it is. She has another appointment with the internal vet in two weeks but I will call the vet tomorrow. That freaked me out. What could it be :(
 

stephenq

TCS Member
Veteran
Joined
Jun 19, 2003
Messages
5,672
Purraise
944
Location
East Coast, USA
It may be a zit like thing. Seriously, small skin issues are hard even for vets to diagnose. It may be an infection, it may be an injury, it may not even be significant. I'd start a new thread however and not change this one.
 
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #159

arinlars

TCS Member
Thread starter
Adult Cat
Joined
May 22, 2014
Messages
227
Purraise
12
Location
Seattle
So the holistic vet gave me this for Mimi. Does anyone tried that with their kitty?
 
  • Thread Starter Thread Starter
  • #160

arinlars

TCS Member
Thread starter
Adult Cat
Joined
May 22, 2014
Messages
227
Purraise
12
Location
Seattle
Also Mimi started vomiting again clear liquid every other day but only mornings. Maybe empty stomach ? In one week she will visit the internist .
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top