Problem with cat on counters + aggression

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Nothing works for my cat. He's on every horizontal surface in my house. He has his own multiple level tree. His latest is to pull the rubber ring AND metal cap off the disposal and play with them on the floor. I've tried everything suggested but nothing works. I say NO, firmly, he bites me and draws blood. I'm 83, love him like a child but I'm at my wits end. He's nine months and eleven pounds. I do not like cats on my counters. I'm a clean freak. HELP!!!
 

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Hi @Nasty Cat

When nothing else works, this is probably the best thing on the market.  It combines a motion detector, a whistle, and a blast of compressed air, and after the cat learns, it can be set to whistle only. 
But have you tried gentler things like booby trapping the counter with stacked plastic cups, or pans of water? 

Drawing blood is not a good thing at any age, and cat bites can easily become very infected.  If he bites your hand as an example, and the hand starts to seriously swell up or striated visible lines start to develop upwards towards your arm,  you must go to a 24 hour emergency room immediately.   There is literally no time to waste.  And with any cat bite you must wash it thoroughly.

How long have you had your cat?

Where did you get him from?

He is neutered?
 
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Thanks for addressing my problems. Last September I got Maxie from a private home, where the mother, father and the rest of the liter was. I chose him because he was so cute and differently colored. My son advised me to get a female but I chose' him instead. I've always had and bred female pets before.
He grew rapidly so I was able to have him neutered early plus had his shots and at the same time declawed. However he was biting me before he was declawed. He is now about nine months and eleven pounds.
I've had him to the vet about a month ago concerning this problem. He is having me give Max one tranquilizer a day to calm him. However sometimes he seems more hyper. He said if it keeps up I should see a cat behaviorist. I see $$$$$$$ signs.
I'm concerned about the biting at my age. I do clean the wounds etc. I'm not sure if I'm getting across why I'm needing an answer to my question. This isn't an occasional bite but an every day occuracne and sometimes several times a day. I have scars up and down both arms and my legs. Jagged bites.
The thing is he will be sitting on my lap, I'm petting him, he's loving it and wham he turns around and bites my arm. None of the usual warning signs, which I do know, having a gentle Calico for 16 years.
Also thanks for the reply to my second problem with Max. I have bought all of those articles from Amazon to no avail. He also has too many toys to occupy him. But for the most part he doesn't play with them.
I've had foil along the edge of my counters, didn't work, and now I'm trying double sided tape. I saw him when he stepped on it the first time. It was funny. [emoji]128521[/emoji] He looked at me questionably, shook his paws, backed off but I see this morning he's been into the sink again.
I've had and bred quite a few animals in my life but I've never had one that I have had to consider rehoming. I really love him but I don't know how long this can go on for my well being. My three sons are encouraging me to rehome but so far I just can't. I'm at the point that I'm thinking neither problem, biting in particular, can be resolved. It's his way of telling me what he wants, which is what I've figured he's doing. But if I do come to that decision I want a great home with loving step parents for him, not someone who will let him out loose on his own. He wouldn't survive. I don't know how to ensure that he will get what I want for him. That's why I've endured the bites as well as my love for him.
I'm sorry this is too long. [emoji]128542[/emoji] Thanks.
Sheryl
 

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Hi aggression sounds like he is an over-stimulator.  A cat that accepts petting fine until they freak out and react.  This article talks about it.  http://www.thecatsite.com/a/cat-aggression-toward-people

one way to deal with this is to time him and see how long he can be pet before he bites, and then never pet him that long, except to try and slowly incerase the time between bites, and if he does bite, to walk away from him and hive him a social time out.

Have you tried Feliway plug ins?  Many people have success with this, but not in every situation.  Its an artificial cat pheromone that can help calm aggressive cats.  www.feliway.com

I am concerned for you given the daily biting and your lovely age!  If he isn't drawing blood, or if its more like a little scratch then it isn't as big a health risk but if he really punctures your skin its a big deal.

Re-homing may be the way you ultimately have to go, there are homes and people who are bettered equipped to handle this aggression, and a multi cat home might be best for him.

Consider the feliway, maybe in conjunction with the feliway spray (you spray his sleeping areas and rub it on your hands before petting him) to help calm him.

A less expensive behavioral solution than hiring a private behaviorist is to use the Cornell School of Vet medicine consultation service.  The first call is free, the consultation (set up later) is $115.

You can look at their website here, there are specific days and times you can call, and you can certainly talk to the receptionist/nurse for free to see what they might be able to offer.

http://www.vet.cornell.edu/FHC/health_resources/camuti_service.cfm

1-800-KITTYDR

The Camuti Consultation Service is available on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays from 10AM to 12PM and from 2PM to 4PM ET (excluding holidays)


(1-800-548-8937)
 

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I'm not sure everyone on TCS will agree with me on this, but I had great luck using a Scat Mat on my counter years ago when my cats were young.  It gives an unpleasant static electricity kind of shock and they quickly learn they don't want to go there.  It wasn't something I had to use for very long, and it's not a terribly bad shock -- I put my hand on it when setting it (low setting was enough).  It also has a feedback light so you can see how many times they have landed on it.  After a few days, there were no blinking lights at all.  They just were not going there.  I'm fine with them going everywhere else but the kitchen counters were definitely off limits.  The good thing is that the cat does NOT associate it with you at all, so it doesn't ruin your relationship.  He just learns that it is not a place he likes to be.  They are easily found at most pet store chainslike Petco and PetSmart, but often cheaper on the internet or even on eBay.

http://www.safepetproducts.com/scat-mat-for-cats-and-dogs.html?gclid=CImfzqXhkr4CFUpp7AodPXsAtA
 
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Thank you so much for suggesting the Scat Mat. I had seen people talk about them but it never registered till I read your comment. I ordered it immediately from Amazon. It worked! I'm so thankful. Thank you so much. Hopefully it keeps up. Not only where I had it, by the kitchen sink, but Max is staying off all counters so far.
I'd have loved to have seen him when it zapped him the one time but I sure heard him. During one evening all of a sudden I heard what must have been everything on my counter bang, crash and every other noise associated including things falling on the floor and glass breaking. Horrified I got up and he was sitting just outside the area looking like, "what happened?" There was a broken glass that had been full of water all over the floor. Everything on the counter was askew. Actually it was kinda funny.
Now I see Maxie walk into the kitchen, stop and just look at my counters like he's wondering if he should jump or is that thing still up there? He hasn't tried going back so far. So thank you very, very much for helping me with that problem. Now if getting him to stop biting me could be as easy.
 

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I'm going to post the PM NastCat and I had on this aggressive situation. I hope someone here can offer more advice with their experience!


Nasty Cat
Mar 29, 2014 at 11:24 pm
Thanks for the welcome. I still am unable to post my question so I'll take you up on your offer. As I say in my following question I'm female, 83 and have three children whom all had puppies and dogs, which we bred. Only one kitty who lived to be 16 last March. I'm alone and found this kitty, and his siblings, when he was about 8 weeks old last September. I chose him to be my family. The following is my problem and getting worse each day. At first I tried distracting him but that didn't work. I keep him in "his" room most of the time because of the aggressiveness.

Can someone help me immediately. I got my 8 week old long haired tiger kitten, Max, in September. I had everything done that was needed for him by the Vet. He's indoor only. He's front declawed. He was soooo sweet and lovable. I literally fall in love with my pets immediately. BUT!
A few weeks after I got him he began to be aggressive. He began biting, hard, my arms. BTW I'm 83 and have had quite a few pets. My first kitten though and first male of anything.. I've always had one cat and dogs whom have been wonderful pets. I was told repeatedly he's a kitty and thinks I'm playing with him. But he would have his teeth drawn back and eyes angry looking. Over the months this has gotten unbearable.
Unfortunately I did the wrong thing. To protect myself because now he grabs my ankles and bites so hard I have difficulty getting him to let go so I use a newspaper to swat him or plain water to spray him. Not for training but as protection from the tearing of my skin.
I really love Max. He is so sweet, sits on my lap then all of a sudden gets this mean look then he grabs me and bites me, hard and draws blood. I have scars all over my arms and legs. It's as if he's a child, which I've had three sons, and if I firmly say no he has a tantrum.
My question. He became family when I got him. But I can't have him biting me repeatedly every day. Would it do any good taking him to the vet and see about putting him on tranquilizers, if he would. Would that help? I love him but I am afraid of him. Or do I need to find another home for him, which I don't know how I will stand letting him go.
I'm the ONLY one he bites. I know he's become afraid of me now, is why. I'm at my wits end. Please someone give me some good advice. I can't undo what I've done when he became aggressive. Is this just in his nature now or will he outgrow it. I don't know what to do.

I would appreciate if you might be able to give me an answer. I have a vets appointment Monday to get his opinion, although I'm sure he's going to say re home him. Which is another problem. I don't know where to do that. I want a loving home for my Maxie.
Thank you ..... Sheryl Morris

Draco
Mar 30, 2014 at 7:26 am
I do believe the aggression and biting came from him being declawed. Declawed cats usually have negative behavioral issues to make up for lack of claws.. His only defense now is biting. I wouldn't be surprised if he's in pain too still- declawing is amputating the toes, not just taking claws out. Cats can still feel pain years after and develop arthritis from walking with no toes for years.

Now I do not want you to rehome him- if you do, he will become someone else's problem and most likely put to sleep frown.gif

I suggest keeping that vets appt. see what he says and have him check the paws

I didn't see if the kitty is neutered? I suggest getting him neutered if not- it would calm him down.

Here's a few things you can do to try to stop the biting:
- provide high spaces for him to climb on, several if you can
- ignore him and do not react when he attacks
- give a single shout or sharp hiss when he bites- to tell him that it hurts. Do not hit or grab him.
- if he doesn't let go, calmly scruff him at the neck, the mommy hold, and take him to a quiet room like a bathroom for time out. Do t leave him in for too long.
- reward him for good behavior- cats respond better to rewards than punishment.

Hope this help- please do keep me posted on what the vet says- I want you to keep his kitty, it's obvious you do love him and want to work with him smile.gif

Draco
Mar 30, 2014 at 7:28 am
Oh, forgot to mention.. Keep an eye on his ears and tail for signs of him about to attack.. Sometimes too much petting can stimulate a cat too much and they will bite instead of walking away. Once you learn his signals it will be easier to read him

Nasty Cat
Today at 4:10 pm


Thank you for your replies. To begin with Maxie was neutered when he was very young since he is a large kitty/cat. I had everything done at the same time. He actually was biting BEFORE he was declawed. The vet reminded me of that.
Time has passed since I last wrote and I have been to my vet. He checked his paws and said they are fine and shouldn't be causing Max any problems. He put him on an anti anxiety pill which did "some" good but he still has a lot of anxiety and over stimulation. I've used all the suggestions and Feliway products, room conditioners, collar, including a hand spray. Interact play with him every day.
I took him back to the vet yesterday. He is going to try a different drug on him because he thinks this one isn't quite what he needs. May take several tries he said. He also suggested there may be something between Max and myself that doesn't do well together.?? ;(
Most of the times he initiates the cuddling by jumping in my lap and nudging me with his nose as well as pawing.
It's strange but some days Maxie is so sweet, cuddly and lovable. The next he's a monster. Today is the latter. He bit me on legs and arms three times this morning. I was walking or didn't do what he wanted. It's not always my sitting and petting him. He runs after me and bites when I'm coming down the hall. This afternoon he's the good kitty, so far.
I've been reading and reading on cats and especially this situation. I've tried most of the things I see suggested, I recognize his negative signs etc.
He is better but he still has this biting tendency to only me. I thought it might be that he was wanting something and trying to tell me because that seems like when he does it. The vet said no, Max doesn't think that way.
At the end of the month my daughter in law is visiting. She volunteers at a cat home where cats live out their lives and never in danger of euthanasia or they might be adopted. She said she could take Max up with her to live there. Now I'm in such a quandary. I love him so much but this can't keep going on. I really am trying my best to get past this with him then think, will he ever stop doing it? I so want him to.
BTW, Max is about 11 months and weighs 11.7#'s. It's been suggested to me strongly several times that he might be part Maine Coon, if this would be any clue as to his temperament. I don't know if my Avatar shows enough, being his baby picture, to tell anything.
Thank you Draco for listening and suggesting things to me. I really appreciate that a lot! I'm of the generation that when I say something I mean it. I really do appreciate your help!
Since this has all been between you and me I'm not sure how to post all or part on here and wonder if parts of my mailings should be posted as others may have had the same problem and have other suggestions. I posted about his being on my kitchen counters and had a reply, which I used, that so far works. Yippee!
Again thanks again.
Sheryl
 

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I hope you will take this to heart...I read more threads than I reply to, and some recently have concerned problems such as yours

all involving kittens SEPARATED TOO YOUNG from their mothers and siblings

u cannot turn back the clock

but you can (especially since you were a breeder)

get him a playmate

I think this would help everyone involved

and it cannot hurt...some people here swear two cats are easier than one
 
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