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I was feeding my girls Pro Plan dry. Aside from the high price I became worried about the very high protein, 40% per cup. I gave them each 1/2 c. a day. I gradually switched them to Authority. On PP they had a bundle of energy. On Authority virtually none. Is 40% protein too much? I'm concerned it'll cause kidney problems.
 

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Forty percent protein isn't a lot. lt's very good for a dry food which is usually way lower in protein and high in carbs, but it's about the average percentage for an inexpensive wet food. Canned foods like (the old formula) Merricks's Cowboy Cookout are 62% protein. 

lf you look at Lisa Pierson's chart (of canned and raw foods):

http://www.catinfo.org/docs/FoodChartPublic9-22-12.pdf

you'll see that the good foods do have high protein, and the best foods have high MEAT protein.

That's what l look for in a cat food: high meat protein, moderate fat, low carbs.
 

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I second Andrya's advice, beware that information on label and % per calorie intake are completely different things, even 96% (on label) may be actually 40% (per calorie intake). You can find this information either on Dr. Lisa Pierson website or Binky's Nutritional Information page.

Generally, cats have to have 50%+ animal protein per calorie intake and less than 10% of carbohydrates, wet food, not dry. See also Tanya's Comprehensive Guide to Feline Chronic Kidney Disease for general information, choice of food and enticing to eat.

It's more expensive than dry food, takes more time and more messy, but it worth it in terms of long term cat's health.
 

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I also agree with the above advice and would like to clear up the "kidney + protein = bad" myth.  Protein isn't what hurts a cat's kidneys, it's dehydration and high blood sugars.  Cats must have a meat-based diet which is high protein.  www.catinfo.org is written by a veterinarian who does a great job of explaining the how's and why's of a cat's diet.
 
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I called Pro Plan some time back. Their carb content is around 22% which is way lower than Iams and Authority. When I was switching them from Iams to PP I saw the IAMS kibbles even looked dry compared to PP. They drink a lot of filtered water so I'm not worried about dehydration. My cats devour the PP. thank you for your input.
 
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I talked to someone at a vet office I use to go to. The woman that answered said she's fed her cat Pro Plan for 12 years with no problem. She fed her boxer PP and he lived to be 16 which is unusually long for boxers. She highly recommends PP. I called my vet and she highly recommends PP as well. I wouldn't suggest doing what I did by heavily relying on the web (as in Googling) or no name websites for ideas. I leaned on people's stories on those no name sites. I was terrified I'd lose Mandie or Holly if I fed them PP. If you web search in the midst of grief you could become scared to death and make wrong food choices. I guess what I'm trying to say is to use caution when web searching. I found one site this morning that sounded like legit analyses until I reached the end where it says they themselves say they may not be accurate. Aren't accurate?! Why scare owners like that? Sheesh! I trust Cat Site and sites suggested by Cat Site but just be careful of others.
 
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@angels4mom, do your cats have kidney problems already, as determined by your vet? Do you also feed wet food?

I totally agree with @peaches08. If you're worried about food causing kidney problems, an all dry diet is pretty much going to do the most damage. If you read www.catinfo.org, Dr. Pierson (a well-respected veterinarian with over 35 years of experience) explains:
Water is an extremely important nutrient that contributes to overall health in every living creature.   Couple this with the fact that cats do not have a very strong thirst drive when compared to other species, and you will understand why it is critical for them to ingest a water-rich diet. The cat's lack of a strong thirst drive can lead to low-level, chronic dehydration when dry food makes up the bulk of their diet
A cat consuming a predominantly dry food diet does drink more water than a cat consuming a canned food diet, but in the end, when water from all sources is added together (what’s in their diet plus what they drink), the cat on dry food consumes approximately half the amount of water compared with a cat eating canned food.

Put another way, a cat on a canned food diet consumes approximately double the amount of water consumed by a cat eating dry food.

This is a crucial point when one considers how common kidney and bladder problems are in the cat.
 
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@angels4mom
, do your cats have kidney problems already, as determined by your vet? Do you also feed wet food?

I totally agree with @peaches08
. If you're worried about food causing kidney problems, an all dry diet is pretty much going to do the most damage. If you read www.catinfo.org, Dr. Pierson (a well-respected veterinarian with over 35 years of experience) explains:


Not that I know of. They do drink a lot of filtered water so they don't lack in fluid.
 

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I was feeding my girls Pro Plan dry. Aside from the high price I became worried about the very high protein, 40% per cup. I gave them each 1/2 c. a day. I gradually switched them to Authority. On PP they had a bundle of energy. On Authority virtually none. Is 40% protein too much? I'm concerned it'll cause kidney problems.
There has been some debate in recent years regarding the long standing belief that too much protein can be harmful to kidneys. New theories suggest that this is no longer a valid claim, under normal circumstances. Unless your kitty has been diagnosed with kidney disease, normal functioning kidneys will do the job of excreting the waste from protein intake with no issue. That said, even cats with compromised kidneys still require an adequate amount of protein. 

The reason why your cats may not be as active on wet canned is due to the lower carb content. Dry food is high in carbohydrates which in turn provides energy. However, high carbohydrates can also cause weight gain if a cat is not active when consuming dry food. To ensure that your cat maintains a healthy weight and gets an appropriate amount of protein, it is best to feed a mostly wet canned diet, and make the dry food a smaller portion of the diet.

If you want to ensure the health of your cat's kidneys, look for foods that are moderate in phosphorus and sodium, and that your cat's water intake is high. Normal functioning kidneys will excrete excess phosphorus, but sodium can raise blood pressure over time, make your cat drink more which in turn makes the kidneys work harder when fluids become imbalanced.
 
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It seems Angels4mums cats are doing well on their current diet. There is so much debate about wet vs dry diets, but a good quality dry food which is complete & balanced, high in protein, low in carbs, has quality specified animal protein eg. chicken,turkey,beef,lamb, & all necessary vitamins & minerals I believe is perfectly fine as long as your cat is hydrated & doesn't have a history of urinary/kidney problems. Orijen is another top quality dry food that is high protein/low carb/grain free, the meats are all passed fit for human consumption, etc. Even a cat on wet only/raw/dry & wet diet can get urinary etc. problems.
 

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It seems Angels4mums cats are doing well on their current diet. There is so much debate about wet vs dry diets, but a good quality dry food which is complete & balanced, high in protein, low in carbs, has quality specified animal protein eg. chicken,turkey,beef,lamb, & all necessary vitamins & minerals I believe is perfectly fine as long as your cat is hydrated & doesn't have a history of urinary/kidney problems. Orijen is another top quality dry food that is high protein/low carb/grain free, the meats are all passed fit for human consumption, etc. Even a cat on wet only/raw/dry & wet diet can get urinary etc. problems.
True enough. I think it depends on the cat. My cats were on all dry food, including Orijen at one point. My one male cat, Max, however, put on a fair amount of weight and struggled with constipation for two years, due in large part to dry food. The importance of wet food providing moisture cannot be understated. I am not against dry food but I think it should be 'part' of the diet rather than the main diet.
 

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It seems Angels4mums cats are doing well on their current diet. There is so much debate about wet vs dry diets, but a good quality dry food which is complete & balanced, high in protein, low in carbs, has quality specified animal protein eg. chicken,turkey,beef,lamb, & all necessary vitamins & minerals I believe is perfectly fine as long as your cat is hydrated & doesn't have a history of urinary/kidney problems. Orijen is another top quality dry food that is high protein/low carb/grain free, the meats are all passed fit for human consumption, etc. Even a cat on wet only/raw/dry & wet diet can get urinary etc. problems.
There really isn't a debate about wet vs dry diets, the science is there.  There are also different types of kidney problems:  crystals, CKD, etc.  Having dealt with a kibble-head that also had CKD, I not only had to watch phosphorus but carbs too.  The best plan is prevention, but I can also appreciate having a die-hard kibble-head and doing the best that one can. 
 

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They do drink a lot of filtered water so they don't lack in fluid.
...as long as your cat is hydrated...
That's just the thing. The amount of water a cat drinks from a fountain or bowl just cannot make up for the moisture it needs from the dehydrating effects of an all dry diet.
The importance of wet food providing moisture cannot be understated. I am not against dry food but I think it should be 'part' of the diet rather than the main diet.
  Agreed.  To the OP: I'm not saying that a cat can't have any dry food, but I do think wet food should make up at least 50% of their diet.
There really isn't a debate about wet vs dry diets, the science is there.  There are also different types of kidney problems:  crystals, CKD, etc.  Having dealt with a kibble-head that also had CKD, I not only had to watch phosphorus but carbs too.  The best plan is prevention, but I can also appreciate having a die-hard kibble-head and doing the best that one can. 
I had a kibble addict (Caesar). I adopted him from the shelter and he was eating Hill's dry. It took TWO years to get him to eat a small rotation of wet food. A lot of food was thrown away and it was often a battle of the most stubborn (Caesar usually won). But I am a least content now that he is eating wet food on regular basis. He's a tiny cat and needs to keep weight on, so I do give him some dry still.

Anyway, to get back to the original topic. If you're concerned about kidney health in the long run, it would be more beneficial to incorporate wet food into the diet than worry about "too much protein" in an all dry diet, which, as others have stated, is generally a myth.
 

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That's just the thing. The amount of water a cat drinks from a fountain or bowl just cannot make up for the moisture it needs from the dehydrating effects of an all dry diet.

Agreed. To the OP: I'm not saying that a cat can't have any dry food, but I do think wet food should make up at least 50% of their diet.

I had a kibble addict (Caesar). I adopted him from the shelter and he was eating Hill's dry. It took TWO years to get him to eat a small rotation of wet food. A lot of food was thrown away and it was often a battle of the most stubborn (Caesar usually won). But I am a least content now that he is eating wet food on regular basis. He's a tiny cat and needs to keep weight on, so I do give him some dry still.

Anyway, to get back to the original topic. If you're concerned about kidney health in the long run, it would be more beneficial to incorporate wet food into the diet than worry about "too much protein" in an all dry diet, which, as others have stated, is generally a myth.
 

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I switched my kitties, and one was a "kibblehead" to a raw diet. It wasn't easy--but it cured his urinary problems (and he didn't have to eat the medicated hard food--which was continuing the issue--ironically--and yes, hard food is about convenience for people basically and minimal nutrition for the animal) and they never turn down the raw diet (prepared with instructions and supplements from one of the Raw cat food providers out there...ie--Feline Instincts...etc.....) But you have to transition them slowly and patiently...but it absolutely can be done even with "kibbleheads". I also let them eat some canned food additionally---but they don't eat any hard food at all----(I have 3 cats). It takes some getting used to--making the raw food for them--but I make about 5-6 weeks supply and freeze. The truth is--cats ARE tough to take care of well in a healthy way---and if you feed dry food--there will be medical problems, almost guaranteed. I definitely agree with the post that says--"Pay now or pay later". Don't feed your cat kibble. It is very bad for them.
 
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