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Authority wet canned would be quite fine. I would avoid the Authority dry food - not good!

While you are at PetSmart, you should familiarize yourself with their selection of canned wet food. Authority is reasonably priced grain-free canned food which does not contain by-products. Here is a link to the flavors : http://www.authoritypetnutrition.com/cat-products/adult/canned-food.shtml

Another reasonably priced canned cat food is Fancy Feast Pates which are grain-free and do not contain carageenan. The shredded or Chunky varieties of Fancy Feast will contain carageenan however, if this is an issue for you.

EDIT: Forgot to mention.. Some of the larger pet stores will have small sample packs of different dry foods. You might want to ask about this tomorrow. They may be free or $2 a bag at most? Great way to try new things. Also, don't feel that you have to buy a big bag right now. In going with a 2kg for instance, you avoid making a big investment in case your kitties don't like a particular dry food.
Thanks I wil check out that wet food and keep in mind a big bag goes stale quicker. Will let you know what I find out or buy. I either have to stick with what I have now or buy something else cause we only have enough of the kitten to transition starting tomorrow.  Thanks I appreciate you taking the time you  and all the other take to respond.
 
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Because I was going to switch to the adult version of healthy advantage dry food I didn't have a lot of the hard stuff kitten left and now only have a small baggy that the vet clinic gave me free. So I can only transition to something else as much as this allows me to. I don't want to have to go but another kitten bag! So the recommended two weeks that someone recommended here isn't going to work. Would it be okay to just do half to a week transition? Not sure
 

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Because I was going to switch to the adult version of healthy advantage dry food I didn't have a lot of the hard stuff kitten left and now only have a small baggy that the vet clinic gave me free. So I can only transition to something else as much as this allows me to. I don't want to have to go but another kitten bag! So the recommended two weeks that someone recommended here isn't going to work. Would it be okay to just do half to a week transition? Not sure
Hi there .. Given that you are going to feed wet canned, I would start limiting the dry food to 1/4 cup each day. With this, you can split the 1/4 cup into 1/8 cups x 2. Half of this would be the kitten food and half new food and see how long the kitten food lasts while you do the transition. But make sure that they are getting enough of the wet food. It could that your kitties might do okay on the new dry kibble and so the two weeks might not be necessary. Ultimately, your main concern should be in getting your kitties onto a mostly wet food. Use the dry food as one meal in the afternoon or dinner but start the day with wet food. 

By the way, is this the food that you purchased from your vet : http://www.hillspet.com/products/ha-feline-adult-healthy-advantage-dry.html
 
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I  am going to go to pet smart this afternoon but as for the hard food I think I am going to get something from a local pet store just have to be sure they carry it regularly. If I decide to go with a smaller bag which I think I will do then it's a lot more convenient to get it local. I will see once I start looking around. 
 
Hi there .. Given that you are going to feed wet canned, I would start limiting the dry food to 1/4 cup each day. With this, you can split the 1/4 cup into 1/8 cups x 2. Half of this would be the kitten food and half new food and see how long the kitten food lasts while you do the transition. But make sure that they are getting enough of the wet food. It could that your kitties might do okay on the new dry kibble and so the two weeks might not be necessary. Ultimately, your main concern should be in getting your kitties onto a mostly wet food. Use the dry food as one meal in the afternoon or dinner but start the day with wet food. 

By the way, is this the food that you purchased from your vet : http://www.hillspet.com/products/ha-feline-adult-healthy-advantage-dry.html
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Hi there .. Given that you are going to feed wet canned, I would start limiting the dry food to 1/4 cup each day. With this, you can split the 1/4 cup into 1/8 cups x 2. Half of this would be the kitten food and half new food and see how long the kitten food lasts while you do the transition. But make sure that they are getting enough of the wet food. It could that your kitties might do okay on the new dry kibble and so the two weeks might not be necessary. Ultimately, your main concern should be in getting your kitties onto a mostly wet food. Use the dry food as one meal in the afternoon or dinner but start the day with wet food. 

By the way, is this the food that you purchased from your vet : http://www.hillspet.com/products/ha-feline-adult-healthy-advantage-dry.html
Yes that is the food and before anyone says anything I already know it's not good. I still haven't opened the big bag of the dry but have to get something today as I only enough to transition now. My only concern is one of my kittens has stopped eating the wet again. I posted a while back that I figured it out by warming it which worked for a bit but now she is refusing it again. Last night and this morning she sniffs and won't eat it. The other one likes it cold. The one that likes it cold gave more wet this morning say half a can but she only ate I would say 1/4 of the can. The other is still sitting on the plate untouched. So I don't see the point of feeding her half a can for it just to go  to waste. Also since my other is refusing wet food my concern is I want to make sure she eats something and dry is what she is willing to eat. I just hope switching to something different with her dry food isn't going to shock her and she doesn't eat. So my dilema is how do I know what to feed of dry cause she has to eat. Also I had a couple cans of Wellness kitten chicken flavour I tried them on when they were first adopted that they liked but put it down now for my kittens and they both sniff it and walk away

If it wasn't for my hubby and his penny pinching I would just go out and get a bag of something I know is good and get the good canned food. I have to understand his point of view and that we can't afford a lot. By the way we also have a 4 year old son. I was very pick about what he ate as a baby and still have very careful and he is a great eater lol! So I think my carefulness of what I feed my son has rubbed off on my kittens! I want the best but I can only pay so much. 

The dry food we were feeding as you linked above was 1.36kg for 18.68 with tax 21.33 Canadian. So I don't want to go over that or much more. I can go higher if there is more in the bag of course. I am not good with Math so will be guessing. 

Anyways I think when I look I make sure meat is the first ingredient, which I am going to strive for chicken as that is what they were on, grain free if possible, let me know if there are other ingredience I should stay away from, oh I know corn isn't good too. I am talking dry food here. 

Funny as I sit here I looked over at the plate that had the wet food and it's gone. Guess she doesn't like it all at once. Can't be sure it was her but I gather it wasn't the one that is refusing again. the one that is refusing is as I type eating the hard food it's almost empty as I have not refilled since yesterday evening so going to have to soon as she won't eat the wet.  

I have some questions about what to do if they don't take to the new dry food and how the transition goes then but I will post if I run into this problem. I most concerned about the one that won't eat the we. But may be a different wet she will like.

Until later, thanks again!
 
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Bought nutro natural choice adult indoor chicken and whole brown rice just now. Not sure but thinking I will try it. Never got to petsmart. Just heading inside to another pet store local to see what they have. If they don't like what I bought I am told money back I can get. What's your take on this food?
 

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Glad to hear that you were able to find something! ..


I have not tried the Nutro Natural Choice line so can't offer any personal experience with it, but If I am looking at the right ingredients, nothing jumps out at me as being really terrible.

There is chicken as a first ingredient, then chicken meal (which is a concentrated form of chicken and actually offers more nutritional value than chicken). Whole brown rice is both a grain and carb and there is also some potato protein and oat fiber, but other than this, there is not really a whole lot of carbs in this food which is good. 

The recommended transition period is 6 days and the formula to use is the same one that I recommended to you earlier. You can read about this here : http://www.nutro.com/pet-parents/cat-parents/switching-cat-food.aspx

Did you find any interesting wet canned in your travels today? As I mentioned earlier, if you can start off by limiting the dry food to only 1/4 cup per day or as necessary, and work on feeding the majority of wet canned, this will be best for your kitties in the long run.

Hopefully this new kibble will be well received, if not its good that you can take it back.
 
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Glad to hear that you were able to find something! ..


I have not tried the Nutro Natural Choice line so can't offer any personal experience with it, but If I am looking at the right ingredients, nothing jumps out at me as being really terrible.

There is chicken as a first ingredient, then chicken meal (which is a concentrated form of chicken and actually offers more nutritional value than chicken). Whole brown rice is both a grain and carb and there is also some potato protein and oat fiber, but other than this, there is not really a whole lot of carbs in this food which is good. 

The recommended transition period is 6 days and the formula to use is the same one that I recommended to you earlier. You can read about this here : http://www.nutro.com/pet-parents/cat-parents/switching-cat-food.aspx

Did you find any interesting wet canned in your travels today? As I mentioned earlier, if you can start off by limiting the dry food to only 1/4 cup per day or as necessary, and work on feeding the majority of wet canned, this will be best for your kitties in the long run.

Hopefully this new kibble will be well received, if not its good that you can take it back.
Hi  there,

Well I got PC which is real Canadian Superstore brand PC chicken dinner. Also turkey and giblets in the PC brand. Also got the Fancy Feast PATE chicken flavour. My heart sank when I opened a PC chicken one though as it's in a kind of gravy and I realized it after I put it on the plate and gave it to them and they went nuts over it of course as it's probably the gravy stuff! Even the picky one ate it up in seconds. What do you think take it back to the store and just try the fancy feast pate? I think you mentioned it. I hope i didn't spoil them and now they want sauce? It was just one meal this evening.  As I said earlier I didn't get to petsmart I was too lazy to drive 20 minutes there and back as I feel tired today I didn't sleep well.

As for the hard stuff it's expensive for a small bag but the Pet Valu I got it at local said if our cats don't like it we can take it back full money back so that is good to hear. She did say that I might be stuck with Hill as being all they will like as it's got a certain smell to it. Also she said they are perfect weight at 9 pounds each which means we have done something right I hope! They look healthy and great energy!

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Hi  there,

Well I got PC which is real Canadian Superstore brand PC chicken dinner. Also turkey and giblets in the PC brand. Also got the Fancy Feast PATE chicken flavour. My heart sank when I opened a PC chicken one though as it's in a kind of gravy and I realized it after I put it on the plate and gave it to them and they went nuts over it of course as it's probably the gravy stuff! Even the picky one ate it up in seconds. What do you think take it back to the store and just try the fancy feast pate? I think you mentioned it. I hope i didn't spoil them and now they want sauce? It was just one meal this evening.  As I said earlier I didn't get to petsmart I was too lazy to drive 20 minutes there and back as I feel tired today I didn't sleep well.

As for the hard stuff it's expensive for a small bag but the Pet Valu I got it at local said if our cats don't like it we can take it back full money back so that is good to hear. She did say that I might be stuck with Hill as being all they will like as it's got a certain smell to it. Also she said they are perfect weight at 9 pounds each which means we have done something right I hope! They look healthy and great energy!

Thanks!
Oh, I completely forgot that you are in Canada. Yes, some of the PC canned is actually quite good. There is also the Extra Meaty line. The No Name (yellow cans) I avoid.

As my little female doesn't like pate type canned, I buy the PC Duck and Wild Rice which is chunky with a bit of gravy. The only hitch is that this one flavor only comes in the 3 ounce size whereas you can get the other flavors in the 13 ounce can which goes farther. Chicken and Gravy is fine in moderation. As they are really liking this one that is a good start. Personally between the Fancy Feast and PC, I prefer the PC although I tend to buy only the Turkey & Giblets and the Duck and Wild Rice as they get chicken in another brand that I serve.

The 9 pounds is a good weight for your kitties. 
  I had my young tuxedo (Thomas - in my signature) in for his checkup today and found out that he weighs 11 pounds, but you wouldn't know it as he is quite long bodied and wears the weight well. He is also a very active kitty so I am not too concerned.

Sounds like you are off to a great start! And deserve a good nights' sleep by the sounds of it. Do keep us posted as to how things are going! ...
 
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Oh, I completely forgot that you are in Canada. Yes, some of the PC canned is actually quite good. There is also the Extra Meaty line. The No Name (yellow cans) I avoid.

As my little female doesn't like pate type canned, I buy the PC Duck and Wild Rice which is chunky with a bit of gravy. The only hitch is that this one flavor only comes in the 3 ounce size whereas you can get the other flavors in the 13 ounce can which goes farther. Chicken and Gravy is fine in moderation. As they are really liking this one that is a good start. Personally between the Fancy Feast and PC, I prefer the PC although I tend to buy only the Turkey & Giblets and the Duck and Wild Rice as they get chicken in another brand that I serve.

The 9 pounds is a good weight for your kitties. 
  I had my young tuxedo (Thomas - in my signature) in for his checkup today and found out that he weighs 11 pounds, but you wouldn't know it as he is quite long bodied and wears the weight well. He is also a very active kitty so I am not too concerned.

Sounds like you are off to a great start! And deserve a good nights' sleep by the sounds of it. Do keep us posted as to how things are going! ...
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It is the extra meaty  chicken and extra meaty  turkey and giblets dinner that i got. So it's what you described above. So I shouldn't feed this brand every day cause of the gravy? I gave them the same amount I was feeding them before because I didn't want to waste if one didn't like it but there wasn't any fear as they like it very much. I have not tried the dry food yet as they still have some of the other left from this morning. I will transition them tomorrow. 

I will keep you posted. I have more questions on feeding them but I am feeling like I am asking too much and pestering now. So I will just see how I go and will keep in touch for sure. I really appreciate all the help, concern and patients you and others have given me here.
 

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It is the extra meaty  chicken and extra meaty  turkey and giblets dinner that i got. So it's what you described above. So I shouldn't feed this brand every day cause of the gravy? I gave them the same amount I was feeding them before because I didn't want to waste if one didn't like it but there wasn't any fear as they like it very much. I have not tried the dry food yet as they still have some of the other left from this morning. I will transition them tomorrow. 

I will keep you posted. I have more questions on feeding them but I am feeling like I am asking too much and pestering now. So I will just see how I go and will keep in touch for sure. I really appreciate all the help, concern and patients you and others have given me here.
Hi. My comment about the chicken and gravy was just to say that its okay to feed some of this each week, but you will want to rotate with other flavors and possibly one other brand for a couple of reasons. Its good to provide some variety to your cats, and the fact that the chicken has gravy, it may be higher in calories and so you don't want to feed this exclusively. The other consideration is that if the store you shop at should happen to not have this flavor on hand, in feeding other things they like, this gives you options to fall back on.

Don't feel like you are imposing .. Asking questions is completely normal when you are just starting out. Chances are that you will find yourself helping someone else at some point in sharing your experiences. That's what its all about here.  
 
 
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Hi. My comment about the chicken and gravy was just to say that its okay to feed some of this each week, but you will want to rotate with other flavors and possibly one other brand for a couple of reasons. Its good to provide some variety to your cats, and the fact that the chicken has gravy, it may be higher in calories and so you don't want to feed this exclusively. The other consideration is that if the store you shop at should happen to not have this flavor on hand, in feeding other things they like, this gives you options to fall back on.

Don't feel like you are imposing .. Asking questions is completely normal when you are just starting out. Chances are that you will find yourself helping someone else at some point in sharing your experiences. That's what its all about here.  
 
Thank you for your kind words. I might decide not to feed the one in gravy not sure. We still have cans of the other stuff we were feeding them so will finish that off as well in the rotation. tonight I might try the fancy feat with them. Too bad the fancy feast is only a little can though. They seemed to like the dry food. I put about 3 tsp of it in the  current kitten food and they are not seeming upset. They are eating it. Thanks!
 
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I fed them fancy feast Pate Chicken favour this evening and they ate it no problem. I did read it was kitty crack ( meaning it's very addictive and not healthy.  So not sure I will feed too much of it.  Also it's going to turn out to be about the same price as what I was already feeding it I keep to the same amount. When mentioned I should keep try giving them 1/4 cup of dry food is that between the two of them or each 1/4 a cup. Currently they get 1/2 cup in the morning and 1/2 at night and sometimes don't even eat it all. This morning though cause of the new food I think they were interested in something new and ate most of it. As I said I am adding 3tsp to their old food morning and evening. I will do this again tomorrow and then up the new food and less of the old. 

I am really uncertain as to how much of the wet I should be feeding them. I did notice when I gave one kitten more of the wet food she didn't eat it all. This was their old canned food they have always been on. I think she may have come back a while later to eat it as I notice half hour passed and it was gone. But I can't be sure which kitty I suspect her though as she likes that more than the other. 

I don't want to end up over feeding them or under feeding if I lower the amount of dry food. If I do give more wet I would want to cut back on the dry as I can't afford to feed more of the wet and yet keep the same amount of dry. 

I am just wondering also if I should just keep to the amount I was feeding. Yes it wasn't a lot of wet but it was something. I say this because they are at a healthy 9 pounds and look lean and beautiful. I don't want to mess with them and end up with fat cats! 

Can possibly give too much wet right away since they are only use to a little morning and night. I would only be able to feed two meals. One in the morning and one evening. 

1/4 dry doesn't sound much for two kittens turing cats when they are use to having it out all the time. By the way they usually just nibble and sometimes don't even eat it all when it's time for their next portion.

Anyways I will leave it at that for now'

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I fed them fancy feast Pate Chicken favour this evening and they ate it no problem. I did read it was kitty crack ( meaning it's very addictive and not healthy.  So not sure I will feed too much of it.  Also it's going to turn out to be about the same price as what I was already feeding it I keep to the same amount. When mentioned I should keep try giving them 1/4 cup of dry food is that between the two of them or each 1/4 a cup. Currently they get 1/2 cup in the morning and 1/2 at night and sometimes don't even eat it all. This morning though cause of the new food I think they were interested in something new and ate most of it. As I said I am adding 3tsp to their old food morning and evening. I will do this again tomorrow and then up the new food and less of the old. 

I am really uncertain as to how much of the wet I should be feeding them. I did notice when I gave one kitten more of the wet food she didn't eat it all. This was their old canned food they have always been on. I think she may have come back a while later to eat it as I notice half hour passed and it was gone. But I can't be sure which kitty I suspect her though as she likes that more than the other. 

I don't want to end up over feeding them or under feeding if I lower the amount of dry food. If I do give more wet I would want to cut back on the dry as I can't afford to feed more of the wet and yet keep the same amount of dry. 

I am just wondering also if I should just keep to the amount I was feeding. Yes it wasn't a lot of wet but it was something. I say this because they are at a healthy 9 pounds and look lean and beautiful. I don't want to mess with them and end up with fat cats! 

Can possibly give too much wet right away since they are only use to a little morning and night. I would only be able to feed two meals. One in the morning and one evening. 

1/4 dry doesn't sound much for two kittens turing cats when they are use to having it out all the time. By the way they usually just nibble and sometimes don't even eat it all when it's time for their next portion.

Anyways I will leave it at that for now'

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If you are feeding 1 cup of dry food per day plus some wet, then they are likely getting ALL of their calories, and then some. As you will be feeding more wet, if you want to keep your cats at a good weight you definitely want to start rationing the dry food. The 1/4 cup that I mentioned is for EACH cat as a meal in the afternoon. Its best to serve wet canned food to start the day. This may be challenging initially since your kitties have been doing the dry food up to this point, but as they are already eating wet food and liking it well enough, you shouldn't encounter too much opposition to feeding more of the wet. They will get used to this.

If you work out of the home and can only feed twice a day, then start with 2 ounces EACH of the wet canned in the morning as the first feeding. Then leave out 1/2 cup of dry food (to nibble on) and then when you return in the evening, feed another 2 ounces of wet canned, and see how this goes. You could also look into getting a timed feeder which will release a controlled amount of kibble during the day but this might not be necessary if you say they don't eat much of the dry.

Cats being routine creatures, its important that once you start a feeding schedule with them, to continue and ensure that you feed at the same times each day.
 
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If you are feeding 1 cup of dry food per day plus some wet, then they are likely getting ALL of their calories, and then some. As you will be feeding more wet, if you want to keep your cats at a good weight you definitely want to start rationing the dry food. The 1/4 cup that I mentioned is for EACH cat as a meal in the afternoon. Its best to serve wet canned food to start the day. This may be challenging initially since your kitties have been doing the dry food up to this point, but as they are already eating wet food and liking it well enough, you shouldn't encounter too much opposition to feeding more of the wet. They will get used to this.

If you work out of the home and can only feed twice a day, then start with 2 ounces EACH of the wet canned in the morning as the first feeding. Then leave out 1/2 cup of dry food (to nibble on) and then when you return in the evening, feed another 2 ounces of wet canned, and see how this goes. You could also look into getting a timed feeder which will release a controlled amount of kibble during the day but this might not be necessary if you say they don't eat much of the dry.

Cats being routine creatures, its important that once you start a feeding schedule with them, to continue and ensure that you feed at the same times each day.

Hi and thanks for your info and help!

put half a can of  a 156g of wet food out (each) for them and they are eating it as I type this. Wow it looks a lot food! This the right amount I mean I put out the right amount right? they have not eaten all of it as i think they have eaten about what they were getting before. Is this normal at first for them? What i am thinking is once I limit the dry food they will realize they are not getting as much dry and start eating more of the wet? Cause if not then I can't see putting down that much wet.  Plus I am not going to know who eats the rest either, so this could become a problem could it not? The little cans of fancy feast is that 2 ounces? So can each? I am feeling uneasy about giving them that much wet as they didn't finish but I will see what you have to say. Thanks!
 

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If you have split the can of 156g (which is 5.5 ounces), then you have served 2.5+ ounces, which is too much but this is okay for the first time. No harm done. They obviously were able to self-manage what they needed and left the rest.

The important thing is that they are eating, and liking it which is great.
If you want to be exact on the 2 ounces, then use a 1/4 cup to measure out 2 ounces of food from the can. As you start to feed more of the wet, be sure to stick to the 1/4 cup dry.

Re. the Fancy Feast cans, these are 3 ounce cans. So if using this, you will use 2 cans and serve 2 ounces each, and be left with 2 ounces. The PC Extra Meaty might be better as you can get this in the 13 ounce cans which will give you 6 servings of food per can which may be easier to work with. I purchased a glass container with a snap lid and this is what I use to keep my wet canned food in. Its rectangular and holds a 13 ounce can quite nicely. You can probably find something similar at your local dollar store. 
 
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Although I do work from home I am not always here so I don't want to get them use to an afternoon feed. This is why I choose two meals a day. I noticed one cat so far has gone back to the wet where as the other sniffed and walked away but she did eat some when I first put it down. I think what I will do is put down the wet but put less than you said. I could see the one that likes the wet to eat the entire half can over the morning although  I don't feel good about leaving canned cat food out that long may be an hour. I have already taken it up and ended up throwing some out which is wasteful which I wan to avoid.I one that only ate the wet when first put down went to the dry stuff and nibbled a bit the other has not. I think it's a guessing game to see what they like and go with that as to how much I put down.

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I have wrote more below, sorry I didn't see your comment above until after I posted below

Am I right if I just split the can into four and give them each one of the fourths?  I am horrible with math!
 
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Although I do work from home I am not always here so I don't want to get them use to an afternoon feed. This is why I choose two meals a day. I noticed one cat so far has gone back to the wet where as the other sniffed and walked away but she did eat some when I first put it down. I think what I will do is put down the wet but put less than you said. I could see the one that likes the wet to eat the entire half can over the morning although  I don't feel good about leaving canned cat food out that long may be an hour. I have already taken it up and ended up throwing some out which is wasteful which I wan to avoid.I one that only ate the wet when first put down went to the dry stuff and nibbled a bit the other has not. I think it's a guessing game to see what they like and go with that as to how much I put down.

Your thoughts?
I understand that you don't want to waste food. Many of us here feel the same. You can safely put food back in the fridge for a later feeding, rather than throwing it out. I do this with my little female who sometimes doesn't feel like or is ready, to eat early in the morning. As long as she eats sometime later. You may find yourself in this situation. Not all cats will be the same when it comes to scheduled feedings, but you try and be as close as you can in feeding to a schedule.
 
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I understand that you don't want to waste food. Many of us here feel the same. You can safely put food back in the fridge for a later feeding, rather than throwing it out. I do this with my little female who sometimes doesn't feel like or is ready, to eat early in the morning. As long as she eats sometime later. You may find yourself in this situation. Not all cats will be the same when it comes to scheduled feedings, but you try and be as close as you can in feeding to a schedule.
Can I safely put it back in the fridge if I have warmed a portion? They share a plate so I warm one half and the other not. Seems to be one likes warm and another doesn't. They are I would say on a time feeding as I was giving wet at about 8am along with some dry in another bowel and then in the evening (about 5pm if I am home other wise later)the same so they are use to this. I don't want to get into where they are getting wet during the day as I said I am not home all the time to do this. So I think  what I will try is to do the wet and leave it out no more than half an hour to an hour then what isn't eaten is refrigerated. What I could do is warm on another plate for the one cat that likes warm if it's a problem to refrigerate it later after being warmed. Then I could feed what is left at the evening portion and add enough to get the 2oz for the evening. 

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Absolutely it would be best to feed them in separate dishes! They will probably feel more comfortable with this, eat better, and this may also prevent the problem of one cat eating the other cat's portion.

If the meat has cooled after serving, then there shouldn't be any problem putting it back in the fridge, but try and get them to eat the warm portion if you can rather than having to do this.

Another option for you re. portioning is to split the 156g can into 4 meals, rather than two. This way they are getting a little over an ounce per serving to start. They may feel hungrier later in the day and so you can make up any difference then.
 
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