White female cat with ginger male cat

aroojay · Mar 19, 2014

i have a white female cat and a male ginger. both my cats live in although the male cat did run out quite a few times but we try keeping him in all the time. the female white also ran out once but during that time she was already expecting.she mated with the male ginger ofcourse because she doesn't go out otherwise. today my cat her her litter and out of the three kittens, 2 are white and one is black.

is it possible for a white female and ginger male to have a black kitten? and also, was it possible for my already expecting cat get pregnant with a male outside and have this black kitten? i am confused :s

StefanZ · Mar 20, 2014

aroojay said:
is it possible for a white female and ginger male to have a black kitten? and also, was it possible for my already expecting cat get pregnant with a male outside and have this black kitten? i am confused :s

Yes, it is possible for them to have different fathers in one and same litter. It is not so common as many thinks, Because different looks in kittens mostly often have natural, genetic explanations. Different genes meeting in different combinations. but yes, it can happen. Especielly, when she was mated, the heat is not always ending immediately. although they are perhaps not fully so eager to mate again.

So she could have plenty of time and lust to make a new try with someone else...

Re these exactly colors, we shall thereby call on two forumists who are knowleable about colors and their genetic,

@Willowy , @Gemsgem

I hope you will spay/neuter these your cats now, when you got this your litter you wanted to have?

Good luck!

aroojay · Mar 20, 2014

hmmm...yes i do understand that one cat can give birth to kittens from different males at one time but then isnt a cat suppose to complete the gestation period for all seperatly.as in,if my cat was already one mnth pregnant wen she ran out for a day,the possibility of her mating again and having another kitten from another male is high?the babies she wz preggo with for a mnth wud be of full term but wat abt the 3rd one?is he a mnth premature? its really confusing to me :/ and chances are tht the black kitten is from a stray cuz my male cat is ginger,can it be his?

StefanZ · Mar 20, 2014

ah, you mean, the third one is a whole month younger? Oh yes, that can happen, two different litters simultaneously, several weeks apart. Ie conceived too several weeks apart. Both litters healthy.

It doesnt happen so often with breeders, who have control over the matings, and have good routines with males and females, if they have both stud and queens.

But not unique among owners of "moggies".

My ex-neighbour had for example, a cat who come from such a second litter.

And everyone born had his 63-67 days gestation (=pregnancy). Cats dont manage too early delivery, unlike humans. More than a couple three days too early and its nearly hopeless, even if the kitten is born alive.

They manage a little too long pregnancy decently, better than humans. As a little compensation from Mother Nature.

aroojay · Mar 20, 2014

LOL. i think i am confusing u too. this is her first litter,3 babies born together. was just wondering if one of them isnt from my ginger male cuz he is black! the rest of the 2 are white like the mother.

anyways, is there any special care that i need to take cuz my cat is just 9 mnths old herslef so a young mother can be inexperienced. and when is a safe time to spay the female and the kittens? the male cat is spayed already

StefanZ · Mar 20, 2014

aroojay said:
anyways, is there any special care that i need to take cuz my cat is just 9 mnths old herslef so a young mother can be inexperienced. and when is a safe time to spay the female and the kittens? the male cat is spayed already

You must observe and see if she seems to take care of them properly.

Do weigh the kittens every day, this way you see if they gain as they shall; thus get enough milk and so...

Most spay them moms at about 8 weeks, when they kittens dont nurse much longer and the mom has essentielly dried up.

But if necessary, she can be spayed earlier too.

Good luck!

aroojay · Mar 20, 2014

thanku so much for the help

I also wanna know if i shud lock the mother and the kittens in a room with all the food supplies and litter box etc.ofcourse i will keep freshning up the supplies,but the kittens are just 1 day old and my cat wanders off room to room leaving them.
also,the mother cat hasnt cleaned helself up yet.since she is white all her fur is bloody.can i give her a bath anytime soon?

GemsGem · Mar 20, 2014

Hi aroojay,

StefanZ is totally right . How ever because your kittens were all born at the same time and the second mating took place a month after the first one. I do not believe that black kitten was fathered by the second cat. It would not of survived being a whole month premature, a foetus at five week development - which this kitten would have been at when born. Wouldn't have been fully formed or even had hair yet. They don't start getting hair until weeks 6-7 of development.
So I believe all these kittens have the same father - the red male.

It is possible for a white female and a red male to have a black kitten. You mention the black kitten being a male. Well, male kittens get their coat colour from their mother only unlike girls that get their coat colour from both mother and father.

The mom cat is white. Most white cats are not true white cats but in fact have the white spotting gene. The white spotting gene can mask all other colours. Sometimes it only masks some colour as in black and white cats - white spotting gene is masking some black only to make a black and white cat. Other times it masks all the colour completely so even though the cat looks all white to look at it is in fact a different colour but this is being masked by the white colour.

So your female cat could actually be genetically a black or blue cat under that white coat - which is how you ended up with a black kitten

Hope this makes sense :lol3:

aroojay · Mar 20, 2014

GemsGem said:
Hi aroojay,

StefanZ is totally right . How ever because your kittens were all born at the same time and the second mating took place a month after the first one. I do not believe that black kitten was fathered by the second cat. It would not of survived being a whole month premature, a foetus at five week development - which this kitten would have been at when born. Wouldn't have been fully formed or even had hair yet. They don't start getting hair until weeks 6-7 of development.
So I believe all these kittens have the same father - the red male.

It is possible for a white female and a red male to have a black kitten. You mention the black kitten being a male. Well, male kittens get their coat colour from their mother only unlike girls that get their coat colour from both mother and father.

The mom cat is white. Most white cats are not true white cats but in fact have the white spotting gene. The white spotting gene can mask all other colours. Sometimes it only masks some colour as in black and white cats - white spotting gene is masking some black only to make a black and white cat. Other times it masks all the colour completely so even though the cat looks all white to look at it is in fact a different colour but this is being masked by the white colour.

So your female cat could actually be genetically a black or blue cat under that white coat - which is how you ended up with a black kitten

Hope this makes sense :lol3:

this actually made perfect sense! this was the kind of answer i was hoping for.THANKS a bunch!! i am actually relieved i dnt hv a stray baby

and yes,now tht u mention,my mom cat has a few lines of black on her forehead!so she is black underneath! COOL!!!

i am soooo happy!!!
If u cud help me with this too,should i put the mother and the babies in one room with all the supplied?my mom cat is still young (9mnths herself) so she likes wandering off room to room like nothing happened!! vr scared she might abandon the babies if we let her out of their sight alot :/ although she has been feeding them all day today!

GemsGem · Mar 20, 2014

Yes would be a good idea to have them in one room with food and litter trays. This stops her trying to move the kittens around keeping them safer. You don't want kittens in all different places of the house and you running around thinking where have they gone - I've lost one lol :lol3:

If you have other cats keep them away from babies until they are up and walking and then only allow then near with supervision.

Do let the mom cat out of the room for breaks throughout the day. Some mom cats do not like to go litter tray in same room as kittens - a few of mine are like this. :lol3: But she will go back in when ready or you can put her back in.

aroojay · Mar 20, 2014

GemsGem said:
Yes would be a good idea to have them in one room with food and litter trays. This stops her trying to move the kittens around keeping them safer. You don't want kittens in all different places of the house and you running around thinking where have they gone - I've lost one lol

If you have other cats keep them away from babies until they are up and walking and then only allow then near with supervision.

Do let the mom cat out of the room for breaks throughout the day. Some mom cats do not like to go litter tray in same room as kittens - a few of mine are like this.

But she will go back in when ready or you can put her back

i just have one more cat,thats the male ginger. and yes, v are keeping him away from the mom cat and the babies as we dnt know wat he is capable of.although both my cats are very docile. the mom cat lets us in and around the babies without any discomfort. and funny part is, daddy cat was there wen mom cat was having babies! he looked through the entire process! LOL!! and i am surprised he dint harm a single baby. i plan to introduce him to the litter formally aftr a week or so. i just want all of them to survive and thrive.

i am thinking of putting my cat on raw food, chicken or meat or something because the mom cat has always been very slim!she is very active too but i want her to get a little fat so that she would look cuter.now after the babies she has lost all the bulk she had gained during pregnancy and is bak to being size zero. i mean size zero might be the new in thing for girls but cats...no. right now they are or dry cat food, ME-O, i take different flavors for them but i dont think thst enough. we add boiled and mashed chichken liver to the food and they simply love it. i like the idea of giving raw food though but i am scared of all the worms they might get in their stomach cuz of it.

right now, me and my siblings are suffering from scabies! doc says its cuz of cat worms tht stick to ur body too.so i am scared they might dvelop more worms tht wont just harm them but us as well. any piece of advice there?

StefanZ · Mar 21, 2014

aroojay said:
right now, me and my siblings are suffering from scabies! doc says its cuz of cat worms tht stick to ur body too.so i am scared they might dvelop more worms tht wont just harm them but us as well. any piece of advice there?

Scabies in humans and cats are different species, as I understand it. They may look almost the same, but none or few of cat parasites goes on to humans - because they are not exactly the same as ours..

So you folks got your scabies from somewhere else, not your cats.

aroojay · Mar 21, 2014

StefanZ said:
Scabies in humans and cats are different species, as I understand it. They may look almost the same, but none or few of cat parasites goes on to humans - because they are not exactly the same as ours..

Well we consulted 2 different dermatologists and both said our cats have some kind of worms that has given us scabies as we are in constant contact with them.we were told to stop piking the cats up and treat them for these worms simultaneously.v hv been taking anti-allergy ourself and using an ointment. i dont know much about scabies but my arms and hands are filled with lil zits tht turn dark and itch like crazy.i have sars all over my hands and arms :/ the pics i saw on net of ppl suffering rabies were exactly wat we look like right now :|

mrsgreenjeens · Mar 21, 2014

aroojay said:
StefanZ said:

Scabies in humans and cats are different species, as I understand it. They may look almost the same, but none or few of cat parasites goes on to humans - because they are not exactly the same as ours..

Well we consulted 2 different dermatologists and both said our cats have some kind of worms that has given us scabies as we are in constant contact with them.we were told to stop piking the cats up and treat them for these worms simultaneously.v hv been taking anti-allergy ourself and using an ointment. i dont know much about scabies but my arms and hands are filled with lil zits tht turn dark and itch like crazy.i have sars all over my hands and arms :/ the pics i saw on net of ppl suffering rabies were exactly wat we look like right now :|

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If this is something you have gotten from your cats, then your cats should be showing extreme signs of discomfort AND open wounds similar to yours, but mainly on their faces. Do they have this? If not, then I don't think this is from your cats. The only type of scabies that is transferable from animals is "sarcoptic mange", and it is most definitely NOT a worm, it is a mite, which does not come from raw food.

for the HUMANS in your household to get rid of this quickly

aroojay · Mar 22, 2014

mrsgreenjeens said:
If this is something you have gotten from your cats, then your cats should be showing extreme signs of discomfort AND open wounds similar to yours, but mainly on their faces. Do they have this? If not, then I don't think this is from your cats. The only type of scabies that is transferable from animals is "sarcoptic mange", and it is most definitely NOT a worm, it is a mite, which does not come from raw food.

for the HUMANS in your household to get rid of this quickly

aroojay · Mar 22, 2014

ok now im confused and scared.no,none of my cats show any discomfort neither are there any wounds.the only thing noticeable is tht they shed alot and throughout the yr.If thts sumthing substantial.
i want to post pics here to show u how my arms look.the zits are gone but the harling scars are there,can any1 see and tell me if something looks familiar plz

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StefanZ · Mar 22, 2014

Good pics!

IF you got scabs from the cats, its not cat scabs but human scabs. I can imagine, some person with scabs hugged the cats a lot and carried them in her arms. The scabs mites come over the cats. They dont live on cats, but they can probably survive on them a while, as its warm and cozy.

Next person playing with the cats could thus get back these human scabs, be reinfected.

And so, the infections goes round and round.

(Direct contact between humans of course do spreads the mites, but being siblings, you perhaps dont hug each other as much, nor keep with prolonged handshakes).

I suppose it was so your dermagologists thougt.

So whatever you do, you must all take the prescibed medicines simultaneously. And repeat them at least once, probably several times.

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