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post #61 of 78
Well, I wasn't going to post in this thread again. Awww, but what the heck Heidi, I really do not know how many generations out of the wild Amber's Sire and Queen are (dad and mom)The breeder has been doing this since the early 80's when they rescued pairs of bobcats from being killed for their fur Amber's parents did not live in the wild and I don't think their parents did either.
By the way, Amber enjoyed another wonderful car ride and a trip to the pet food store today It's strange, all the woman that see her, do not even know she is a bobcat. They just say, wow, what a beautiful cat, I love her markings. Most men however, always know. They say, that's a bobcat isn't it? I wonder why that is?
Also, I can be counted out as one of these people that has bragging rights. I don't do anything to try and impress another human being. I just live my life for me, my wife and of course, our cats.
post #62 of 78
I wouldnt know what kind of cat Amber is just by looking at her.
post #63 of 78
What really gives her away are the lynx tips and white thumb prints on the ears, the short tail and the "beard" on the sides of her chin. I need to update the pictures, she has changed since the ones I have posted here.
post #64 of 78
Personally when i first saw Amber i was pretty sure she was a wild cat but i could'nt say which kind since i'm not a expert on wild cats.
post #65 of 78
Thread Starter 
If I'd have seen her before I saw your screen-name, I would have known she was some type of "wild-cat" just not which type.
post #66 of 78
I am pro ownership of Exotic Cats, and reading through this thread I am somewhat appalled at some things, but will give credit to other things. Some statments are so far from the truth, yet the very same statments are passed along as propoganda.

The National Geographic show mentioned within this thread is a heavily biased show, however a valiant effort on the part of Pro ownership groups, national geographic did throw in a small blurb about the other side of the story.

If I were a writer this would be a few pages long, however following the KISS principle:

Here are just a few links to sites that, while being pro ownership, are generally very unbiased in presenting fact rather than hype. I encourage everyone to visit these sites, and to delve into the information presented within.

http://www.phoenixexotics.org/
http://www.lioc.us/
http://www.acef.org/
http://www.oaao.org/
http://www.lioc.org/

Those are a few really good ones regarding ownership and legalities, and why Exotic Ownership IS a good thing. [Why is it a good thing?...check out the sites and you will get an idea]

Before I go any further, I would also like to mention that I have documented experience working with and around the various species, and have also worked with veterinarians that limit their practice to these animals, I surely don't know everything, however understand that I am not just making this stuff up either.

These animals, while wild in origin and in nature, can and do make good pets. Each individual species has very different needs and behaviors, surely they are not a simple domestic cat (no insult intended, domestics are just simple compared to exotics).

The survival of these animals is dependant on human intervention, for the most part there isn't a single feline species that is thriving in their wild habitat. Captive breeding is the only time proven solution to ensuring the survival of the various species. Sadly though, funding and the number of qualified facilities have drastically dropped in the past few years, the plans that were in place/still being formulated to protect these species on a strictly commercial basis are failing. Protecting these species in their natural habitat has proven overly demanding, even in situ conservation efforts rarely turn out as planned. So where does that leave the Amur Leopard, the South Chinese Tiger, the Asian Lion, or the Florida Panther? Only one answer, extinct.

Now does that mean I'm reccomending that everyone go out and donate thousands to the WWF, or that everyone go buy a tiger or a cougar and breed them? ABSOLUTELY NOT. However, what I am trying to say is that there is a purpose for private ownership, more than one but that's a different discussion. The key is Responsibility.

You don't need a doctorate in zoology to keep these animals, however you do need space, time, money, love and most importantly Experience.

If you are interested in owning an exotic species, if you want to know more about how private ownership greatly benefits these animals, or even if you are totally against Private ownership and want to understand us better. Check out the sites I listed above. Also, I heavily suggest that everyone who really cares, for you to look around in your area and find a place that has these animals. If at all possible volunteer there and truely get an idea of what the truth is.

If nothing else I have said in this babbling leaves any impact, I hope this last statment will.

Before condoning something, or setting out to pass laws and remove civil rights, make sure you understand both sides and make sure you understand the potential consequences of your actions; the consequences of your actions to the animals that banning is supposed to "benefit."

Spotz
post #67 of 78
Welcome to TCS Spotz! I'm interested in your opinion on the article in this thread. http://www.thecatsite.com/forums/sho...threadid=34189 It's about an exotic cat that escaped through the basement window of a private home.
post #68 of 78
Thread Starter 
Welcome to TCS, and thanks for posting. I'll be sure to check into those websites tommorrow, as I don't have the time to right now

Peace,
Brandon
post #69 of 78
Thanks for the welcome...I kinda wish my first post was on a topic not so controversial, however I just couldn't overlook this.

I hope you will find the links as full of information as I do.

And I will fully admit that my facination started years ago, as a somewhat impulsive thought, I don't even remember where I was, but there was an organization that had these animals, and they had a tiger that they had brought to where I was for educational purposes. I was truely motivated by their appearance, and their professionalism, that I went home and started researching what it would take for me to do the same.

If I'd known what I was getting into I might not have bothered, pfft...of course I would've...

There is a lot to be learned from these animals and there is a lot for these animals to gain in a proper captive environment. It CAN be a symbiotic relationship.

There are bad owners, and there are good owners. As it is with everything, it's the bad owners that get most of the attention, and it's the bad owners that give the good owners a bad reputation.

The margin of error with domestic animals, or rather the likely hood of them causing massive trauma to a human is minimal compared to the exotics, hence the greater fear of these animals.

What is often overlooked is the whole picture.

How many people have been seriously injured, or even killed by an exotic cat over the course of the past 10 years? How about domestic dogs? How about cars? Here's the one I love the best...How about themselves?

I am not saying that these animals are not dangerous, meerly questioning the reasoning to focus on such a statistical minority. Why should the federal government be bothered with having to pass new laws to "protect" the general population from an industry that has averaged less than one death per year over the past decade? Where is the threat? Even worse, is that if you eliminated Federally Licensed facilities from the statistics....you would eliminate roughly 90% of the injuries caused by these animals over the past decade.

Significance?

The federal law that was just passed will only fix at most 10% of the problem.

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Sorry, I'm rambling again...let me know what you think of the links.

Spotz
post #70 of 78
Welcome to the site Spotz. By the way, our wild bobcat makes a great pet. All the extra time and effort is well worth it
post #71 of 78
It always is.

I look forward to hearing more stories about Amber and her buddies.

Spotz
post #72 of 78
My cousin is an animal person extradinar. She has owned Grizzley Bears, Elephants and Cougars. The thing is, is that she knows what she is doing. A lot of people think that because she is doing it, they can. (Well she is doing it.) It is so not PC to say well she is smart and you are stupid. People get upset when you tell them that they are stupid. Yes they are, but they still get upset. Oh Well.

I own a bengal, Curzon is about 20% wild. I knew what I was getting into and I wanted it. I wasn't just the spots. I wanted the whole package. Ok, I'll kiss my drapes goodbye and my furniture. I accept. That is part of the deal.

Goblin
post #73 of 78
Goblin, I know what you mean about the drapes and things. Try 100% wild bocat She is about 19 pounds now and runs around here like she was a little kitten. Well, she still is a kitten, but a very big kitten. I knew what I was getting into when I got Amber. I know she is not a domestic cat and we respect that. She is awesome. A lot of work, but we love her.
post #74 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Goblin
My cousin is an animal person extradinar. She has owned Grizzley Bears, Elephants and Cougars. The thing is, is that she knows what she is doing. A lot of people think that because she is doing it, they can.
Agreed 100%.

There isn't a single animal in the world that everyone can own. Some people just weren't meant to own animals, for whatever reason.

Only people that understand what they are doing should ever have animals, the catch there, is that the people that do know must share the knowledge to those who are truely willing [and capable] of learning.

Forums like this one are a great way for people to share knowledge, and while much of owning and caring for an animal comes from experience with that particular animal, there is still plenty of knowledge to be gained from the members. All it takes is open minds and people who are willing to both share information and listen to information.

Spotz =^^=
post #75 of 78
Thread Starter 
Well I read through some of the links and they're quite good. I especially enjoyed reading the ACEF questions. I'll read into it more when I have more time. I'll bet this damn bike takes more time and attention than any exotic :P

Later,
Brandon
post #76 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cougar
I'll bet this damn bike takes more time and attention than any exotic :P

Later,
Brandon

LOL!!

Just don't underestimate them....

Good luck with the bike

Spotz
post #77 of 78
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cougar
Well I read through some of the links and they're quite good. I especially enjoyed reading the ACEF questions. I'll read into it more when I have more time. I'll bet this damn bike takes more time and attention than any exotic :P

Later,
Brandon
Brandon, what kind of bike are you working on?
post #78 of 78
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwideus
Brandon, what kind of bike are you working on?
Thatd be an 84 Yamaha IT200L When its done Im going to go jumping and racing and all that other fun stuff to do with a bike. I just have to order the parts now (main kickstart shaft, clutch basket, and a whole assortment of gaskets) and then Ill be in the dirt. I estimate about another week before Im done. I guess Ill need a chest protector to go with it
200cc + 2stroke engine = power!

Peace,
Brandon
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