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I spent a whole day trying to find a decent cat food to feed my cat - forget about recalls for samonella and other scares. That is bad enough. I am talking about the actual ingredients these manufacturers are using.

I had fed Fancy Feast to my cat every day for 10 years. Finally I started looking into each ingredient and what I found is that every single can contains synthetic vitamin k3 - commonly known as menadion sodium bisulfate & some other names. It is banned for pets & people in Europe and for people in the US. It basically causes red blood cells to break up and burst and prevents blood coagulating. Unlike other forms of vitamin K, it is not excreted and it accumulates in the tissues.

What started me on this crusade was that I fed my cat fancy feast for 10 years, then she cut her paw & it was all over. I brought her to the vet to stitch it - she needed only one stitch - but the bleeding wouldn't stop - she needed a blood transfusion which she got but then she still couldn't hold down food. 3 weeks (and $4000) of trying to save her life - she was put down. 

So I started researching anemia in felines and saw that there is case after case of these cats becoming anemic & dying without any physical cause of the anemia being found.  My cat had an ultrasound, an echocardiogram - her kidneys, liver, thyroid, heart were healthy. She was spayed as a kitten & had no coagulating problem then.

Many varieties of the Fancy feast also contains the controversial carcinogen carrageenan. But as  I researched other pet food brands, I saw many brands also contain carrageenan and MSB was in most dry foods & treats as wells.

About a year or so before my cat cut her paw, I had started giving Merrick Brand dry cat food instead of her regular dry food too.  I thought I found a good brand since Merrick said they don't source any ingredients from China but unfortunately, their healthy looking ingredients were deceptive. They contained cranberries - which is contained in many other brands too even though it has been criticized for use in cat food because they contain benzoid acid - the same ingredient in asprin. Then I started researching  Rosemary extract and found that it is known to cause seizures and which the European Food Safety Authority has refused to approved because the manufacturers were unable to prove its safety after repeated requests to do so. I found  Yucca extract - the ASPCA says the Yucca plant is toxic to cats. 

After spending literally a day on the internet searching dozens of cat foods - I only found 2 that did not contain any of the ingredients I listed & they were Organix - and only the regular variety - NOT the organic grain free (which contained carreegnan) or the the pate (which contained cranberries,  yucca & alfalfa (which has some issues if you research it). The other brand was TIKI which is really expensive. The HALO brand came close but only the SPOTS STEW  variety because the others contained Carreegnan and cranberries. Unfortunately even the SPOTS STEW contained garlic powder (and we all well know how controversial garlic is for cats), plus a lot of vegetable which I'm not sure how good they are for a cat. 

Dry food was almost impossible and frustrating. They almost all contained either the synthetic vitamin K3, Carrageenan, cranberries or Rosemary/Yucca extract and often a combination of them all. I only found one brand that had none of those ingredients and that was Petsmart's own Authority Brand kibble. And of that the only one I would recommend would be the Real Turkey for Sensitive Stomachs because the others all contained corn & corn products - high on the ingredient list - is said to be not readily digestible for cats.

It was overwhelming doing this research but that is what I narrowed healthy choices down too - commercial products without questionable or toxic ingredients -and that is a damn shame isn't it? And I know the cost of the Organix and Tiki will be prohibitive for many people - especially those with multiple pets to feed. 

It won't be until we start SCREAMING for some regulation in the pet food industry that we will force these manufacturers to come up with safer food products at reasonable prices.

IF anyone finds any other food products that don't contain these ingredients - I would love to hear about it.
 

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I spent a whole day trying to find a decent cat food to feed my cat - forget about recalls for samonella and other scares. That is bad enough. I am talking about the actual ingredients these manufacturers are using.

I had fed Fancy Feast to my cat every day for 10 years. Finally I started looking into each ingredient and what I found is that every single can contains synthetic vitamin k3 - commonly known as menadion sodium bisulfate & some other names. It is banned for pets & people in Europe and for people in the US. It basically causes red blood cells to break up and burst and prevents blood coagulating. Unlike other forms of vitamin K, it is not excreted and it accumulates in the tissues.

What started me on this crusade was that I fed my cat fancy feast for 10 years, then she cut her paw & it was all over. I brought her to the vet to stitch it - she needed only one stitch - but the bleeding wouldn't stop - she needed a blood transfusion which she got but then she still couldn't hold down food. 3 weeks (and $4000) of trying to save her life - she was put down. 

So I started researching anemia in felines and saw that there is case after case of these cats becoming anemic & dying without any physical cause of the anemia being found.  My cat had an ultrasound, an echocardiogram - her kidneys, liver, thyroid, heart were healthy. She was spayed as a kitten & had no coagulating problem then.

Many varieties of the Fancy feast also contains the controversial carcinogen carrageenan. But as  I researched other pet food brands, I saw many brands also contain carrageenan and MSB was in most dry foods & treats as wells.

About a year or so before my cat cut her paw, I had started giving Merrick Brand dry cat food instead of her regular dry food too.  I thought I found a good brand since Merrick said they don't source any ingredients from China but unfortunately, their healthy looking ingredients were deceptive. They contained cranberries - which is contained in many other brands too even though it has been criticized for use in cat food because they contain benzoid acid - the same ingredient in asprin. Then I started researching  Rosemary extract and found that it is known to cause seizures and which the European Food Safety Authority has refused to approved because the manufacturers were unable to prove its safety after repeated requests to do so. I found  Yucca extract - the ASPCA says the Yucca plant is toxic to cats. 

After spending literally a day on the internet searching dozens of cat foods - I only found 2 that did not contain any of the ingredients I listed & they were Organix - and only the regular variety - NOT the organic grain free (which contained carreegnan) or the the pate (which contained cranberries,  yucca & alfalfa (which has some issues if you research it). The other brand was TIKI which is really expensive. The HALO brand came close but only the SPOTS STEW  variety because the others contained Carreegnan and cranberries. Unfortunately even the SPOTS STEW contained garlic powder (and we all well know how controversial garlic is for cats), plus a lot of vegetable which I'm not sure how good they are for a cat. 

Dry food was almost impossible and frustrating. They almost all contained either the synthetic vitamin K3, Carrageenan, cranberries or Rosemary/Yucca extract and often a combination of them all. I only found one brand that had none of those ingredients and that was Petsmart's own Authority Brand kibble. And of that the only one I would recommend would be the Real Turkey for Sensitive Stomachs because the others all contained corn & corn products - high on the ingredient list - is said to be not readily digestible for cats.

It was overwhelming doing this research but that is what I narrowed healthy choices down too - commercial products without questionable or toxic ingredients -and that is a damn shame isn't it? And I know the cost of the Organix and Tiki will be prohibitive for many people - especially those with multiple pets to feed. 

It won't be until we start SCREAMING for some regulation in the pet food industry that we will force these manufacturers to come up with safer food products at reasonable prices.

IF anyone finds any other food products that don't contain these ingredients - I would love to hear about it.
I am sorry to read about the loss of your kitty! ...

Thanks for the information on the Yucca schidigera extract. I see this popping up in different foods as well but its usually way down in the ingredients list. Apparently it was originally used to reduce the smell of manure from farm animals and its use in pet foods is apparently for the same purpose, to reduce stool odor.

Just for your additional information, the pate varieties of Fancy Feast do not contain carageenan or wheat gluten, but then do contain the artificial vit k. It's rather ironic that Purina would include something like this in their pet food, but then leave out other potentially harmful ingredients such as carageenan and wheat gluten? It's also regrettable that this pet food company opts to use a synthetic source of vit k rather than the natural Vit K2 source known as menaquinone I believe. I don't often see Vit K or the menadion sodium bisulfate as an ingredient. It would be helpful to know which brands you found that contain this synthetic type so others can be informed. 

Some grain-free brands that do not contain carageenan or Vit K are : GO Brand by Petcurean, Nature's Variety Instinct, Hound & Gatos, Weruva and there are probably a few others. Some of these brands do contain some carbs however, but I think you will find that the majority of grain-free wet foods will feature some carbs to replace what would constitute grains in other brands.

As I have mentioned in another post, carageenan in itself is not a known carcinogen. There are two forms and it is poligeenan that is the degraded form that was administered to lab animals and found to cause cancer, not the undegraded form of carageenan. Studies show that carageenan may cause inflammation (immune response) and for this reason, it is not advisable that people or pets consume foods containing this ingredient.

EDIT: I think that when it comes to harmful ingredients, pet consumers can play an important role in bringing about a positive change in this respect. That is to say, that if you see ingredients in your pet's food that you believe are harmful, and can make references in support, you should contact the pet food company or manufacturer and tell them about your concerns. If enough individuals did this, it might be sufficient incentive for the company to take action.

Here is a link to an article at Truth About Pet Foods, on the subject of an ingredient known as Ethoxyquin, which is a chemical preservative which has been linked to serious liver issues. It is thought that through complaints to manufacturers, some companies such as Natural Balance, Solid Gold, Canidae have taken the steps to remove or replace this ingredient. http://truthaboutpetfood.com/did-pe...al-brands-of-pet-food-to-change-looks-like-it
 
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@RemmieBrandt, you sound like the perfect candidate to feed a home cooked or self-prepared raw diet to your pets, where wholesome meat and supplements are all you need. You would have control over the ingredients and where you source them. Check out the TCS Raw & Home-Cooked Cat Food forum for resources.

Quite honestly, when you get on the Internet in a research frenzy, you'll find good and bad things about almost every ingredient, even the main protein source. (I recently started a thread about pork in cat food.) Unfortunately, that's just the way commercial pet food is.

You're smart to look at ingredients. I analyze everything, too. But if you're truly looking for a food that meets all this criteria and be happy with it, then you should look into making your own food. Otherwise, you'll have to make some concessions.

Sebastian just recently started eating Nature's Variety Instinct canned food. I like that it doesn't have carrageenan or any "gums". I manually pick out any large chunks of carrot. He actually likes peas, so I'll leave them in. They're not going to kill him, and there are very few in there. There's other stuff towards the end of the ingredient list, but they come after the vitamins and minerals. Since pet food labeling laws require ingredients to be listed by order of weight, I can conclude that there's probably very few of those things actually in the food. IMO, it's probably mostly for label appeal.

I'm also sorry about your cat. While it's possible that certain foods/ingredients can contribute to problems, there's not always proof of this. It's not black and white. Some pets who are on a wholesome raw diet still develop problems, even though this is the best thing you can feed them. There's genetics, environmental factors, etc. that we can't control.

I hope you're able to find a solution that works both for your and your furry family.
 

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So sorry to hear that you lost your kitty.  Unfortunately it is all too common a story.

People don't start investigating until there has been an issue.

I'm no different.

It wasn't until one of my cats became ill, and it took 4 months to discover that he had some serious issues.  His GI track had blocked up so bad, it was all the way up to his stomach. This caused bacterial overload that backed up and attacked his liver.  Then his bile started flowing backward (because it couldn't go forward into the stomach), which also scarred up his liver. 

All these issues began after I had been given SD Dental kibble to feed my cats.

Once I made the connection, I started some serious research into pet foods.  It was dismal.

I was so dismayed, I almost gave up hope.

Finally the light bulb turned on, and I started researching a raw diet. 

Seven years later, my furmonsters are doing quite well.
 

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The only way to truly control ingredients is to make it yourself.  I had just started doing that when my IBD kitty developed a chicken allergy.  He has never tolerated beef so then it's the issue with finding meat.  The muscle meat isn't really an issue but the liver would be.  The only liver I can find at the supermarket is chicken or beef.  I know there are places I can order it from but I haven't tried that.
 

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It's actually quite easy to make homemade balanced raw or cooked cat food. There are recipes or links to them in the resources of the Raw & Home Cooked forum to which GoHolistic provided a link.

I provide my cats homemade raw food and am so glad I made that change. No more worries about what they're eating.
 

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Quite honestly, when you get on the Internet in a research frenzy, you'll find good and bad things about almost every ingredient, even the main protein source. (I recently started a thread about pork in cat food.) 
This is very true. And because of this, you have to realize that there are as many opinions on the internet as there are... well... I'd better not go there. LOL! 

Not everything you read on the internet is going to be useful. If you avoid shopping at big box pet stores and grocery stores, and instead stick to foods that work from a holistic feeding premise, you will find that those foods, do not have ethoxyquin in them at all. This has been a non-issue in the boutique brand market since 2009 when Taste of the Wild finally started using ethoxyquin free fish sources for its kibbles.

You are going to find opinions contrary to every point of view and perspective, particularly when it comes to pet food, on the internet. Susan Thixton (the writer of Truth About Pet Food) herself, does not advocate raw feeding. She home cooks food for her pets, but even then, she had one of her own dogs pick up an illness, that comes from improperly cooking food for your pets. Dogs that are fed kibble do not ever pick up this particular illness, so her vet was stumped and she had to get into an argument with him over treating her dog for the illness, I believe it may have been salmonella, but I don't recall exactly what the illness was off the top of my head. 

There are going to be negatives and positives to every option. 

I chose to feed Porter a wet/dry food diet, because it was simplest to start off with. I may eventually switch to preparing a home cooked diet for him, once I figure out how to provide that for him and give him the nutrition he needs, because he's not doing as well as I would like with dry food. Every time I give it to him, he gets an upset stomach. I feed two of my dogs kibble and I home cook for my elderly gal, because kibble is too rich fir her now. It's what works for me and makes me feel confident that I am doing the right things for their overall health. 

At the end of the day, we all do the best we can. That's what matters. I'm sure that no matter what you choose, your pets are going to be well-fed and have a healthy life. 
 
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Thanks.

I actually just got a message from the NIH in response to my email about the synthetic vitamin K which of course they say is safe in the quantities used but I am still waiting for an answer regarding the CUMULATIVE effects since I read the stuff is not excreted by cats & keeps just accumulating in their tissues. Merrick has also emailed me in response to my message to them that they use only a very tiny amount of rosemary extract but I still have the same cumulative effect fear - plus it is used in conjunction with yucca extract and cranberries and the jury is still out on those. It is just too many questionable ingredients contained in one food. And it is not just Merrick which I liked because they don't source from china, (huge kudos to them for that) and are making a real effort to develop a safer, healthy diet for cats - but almost every dry food brand I looked at either has the k3 or the rosemary/ yucca extract . Almost every canned food product has either K3 or carrageenan or cranberries - often times a combination of them.

The premise seems to be that the food industry can make a lot of money over the 5 or 10 years it might take to realize that the cumulative effects of feeding your cat these things every day are killing them - by then they have already made a fortune. It is almost as though they are using our pets as experimental animals AND we are paying them for while they are doing it. The situation should be that there needs to be an independent, regulatory board they must submit all formulas too with studies proving they are safe - based on scientific research not lab animal research - before they can get approval to use it. If they just keep sticking ingredients in because they are healthy for people, or even other species without breaking down the substances in each ingredient and applying it to the particular biology of the species they are marketing it for - they should not be allowed to sell it. If consumers can figure out that cranberries contain benzoic acid - the manufacturers should too but unfortunately they must figure they make a fortune before it catches up to them and they have to do a recall or pay a class action lawsuit - usually just a drop in the bucket considering the profits they had already made.

I will be giving home cooked meals to supplement the commercial food but I do not believe in raw food. People die from bacterialand other infections after COOKING food these days - it is much too much of a risk to me to give uncooked food. I think cooking chicken, fish or meat for them is safer & as long as I supplement with the nuitrient balanced commercial food - right now - is the best compromise I can make. I just will just read labels and once I see a new ingredient go into one of the products I have already vetted for my cat, I will research it and determine whether to continue or not.
 
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Well Dr Oz said to avoid Carrageenan & that's good enough for me!

Seriously though the point is that there are enough studies out there that question the substance's safety and I rather not take the chance. Like the ASPCA website says when asked to condone the use of Rosemary extract or cranberries - we didn't know grapes were toxic until just a few years ago either.

When our European neighbors ban ingredients - like Carrageenan - I take notice.

Thanks for the product mention & I'll double check myself but like I said - the products I looked at either had at least one of the following ingredients if not more - Carrageenan, MSB, cranberries, rosemary or yucca extract except for the ones I mentioned.

Every can of fancy feast - pate included - has MSB & most of the meat contained comes from liver now that I went back and looked again. That opened a whole new worry - is feeding them liver meat every day too much liver? And that is the "good" ingredient. Not that I mean to bash the product entirely - I used it for 10 years myself - I find it on sale for 40 cents a can sometimes & it is one of the affordable brands that rescuers and shelters and people on limited budgets can afford. I

It is better to feed a cat fancy feast than to leave it on the street and homeless - for sure for sure - but I just mean to talk about the best, the safest foods and to educate consumers so that people write letters to the government to try and get the pet food industry regulated and carefully monitored. Right now - they wait until there is an outbreak - do a recall - then change methods or formulas. My goal is to do the work first - before killing our pets and then saying - whoops -  I guess that was dangerous huh?
 
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I read about ethoxyquin too and saw that it is contained in Purina Whisker Lickings - the soft & delicious chicken & cheese which my cat liked - if it wasn't for that - he could still have it but now these are going back to the store & I'll never buy again. The tartar control ones have msb & so do the Greenies Pill Pockets although they seem to be trying to hide it by only putting the sodium bisulfate on the label - as if trying to source ingredients isn't already hard enough. That is too bad too because that was another treat my cat liked. I will only use now if he needs a pill on a very temporary basis.

After noticing that liver is the primary "meat" ingredient in the fancy feast I had been feeding - I took a quick search and found this -- again -- my girl died of anemia so what can I say? Be aware - be careful.

http://www.ehow.com/how_6142218_tell-adult-cat-vitamin-toxicity.html
 

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I will be giving home cooked meals to supplement the commercial food but I do not believe in raw food. People die from bacterialand other infections after COOKING food these days - it is much too much of a risk to me to give uncooked food. I think cooking chicken, fish or meat for them is safer & as long as I supplement with the nuitrient balanced commercial food - right now - is the best compromise I can make. I just will just read labels and once I see a new ingredient go into one of the products I have already vetted for my cat, I will research it and determine whether to continue or not.
So long as the home-cooked is 15% of the diet or less, then you don't have to worry about balancing it.  And no cooked bone.  Cooked bones splinter and cause a multitude of problems. 

I'm sorry about your cat. 
 

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Um...carrageenan is SEAWEED. What's so bad about that? How is it carcinogenic? It's in chocolate milk and ice cream
 

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Does anyone know why Sheba, (even  the non fish flavors) have menadion sodium bisulfate? 
 
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What is so bad about Carrageenan that led Europe to ban it back in 2009? For starters http://dro.dur.ac.uk/5472/1/5472.pdf

And thanks everyone for the feedback & condolences. I must really find an outstanding vet next - the ones I went to were not very good.
 

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Well Dr Oz said to avoid Carrageenan & that's good enough for me!

Seriously though the point is that there are enough studies out there that question the substance's safety and I rather not take the chance. Like the ASPCA website says when asked to condone the use of Rosemary extract or cranberries - we didn't know grapes were toxic until just a few years ago either.

When our European neighbors ban ingredients - like Carrageenan - I take notice.

Thanks for the product mention & I'll double check myself but like I said - the products I looked at either had at least one of the following ingredients if not more - Carrageenan, MSB, cranberries, rosemary or yucca extract except for the ones I mentioned.

Every can of fancy feast - pate included - has MSB & most of the meat contained comes from liver now that I went back and looked again. That opened a whole new worry - is feeding them liver meat every day too much liver? And that is the "good" ingredient. Not that I mean to bash the product entirely - I used it for 10 years myself - I find it on sale for 40 cents a can sometimes & it is one of the affordable brands that rescuers and shelters and people on limited budgets can afford. I

It is better to feed a cat fancy feast than to leave it on the street and homeless - for sure for sure - but I just mean to talk about the best, the safest foods and to educate consumers so that people write letters to the government to try and get the pet food industry regulated and carefully monitored. Right now - they wait until there is an outbreak - do a recall - then change methods or formulas. My goal is to do the work first - before killing our pets and then saying - whoops -  I guess that was dangerous huh?
Just to clarify, carageenan is still used in europe. They have just removed it from infant formula, and rightly so. I didn't find anything at the Dr. Oz website about carageenan. There are third-party articles that are mentioned, but no comments from Dr. Oz directly.

I have looked into carageenan, and while it is something that I try not to expose my cats to, I think there are some misconceptions about carageenan in general. It is not a carcinogen in itself but some degraded forms of it can be harmful.

Below is a link to an article that talks about carageenan and some of the negative reputation it has garnered. The article cites some of the studies (see numbered links) that speak to the connection between carageenan and the degraded form called poligeenan, and does a good job of explaining the difference and putting the findings into some perspective for better understanding : http://chriskresser.com/harmful-or-harmless-carrageenan
 
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Just some of my input, without Carrageenan, gums, cranberries or Rosemary/Yucca extract

1) Wet food - http://www.firstmate.com/cat-food/canned-limited-ingredient/turkey-formula/
2) Dry food - http://www.canidae.com.au/cat-food/canidae-for-cats-grain-free-pure-elements-new-formula

Unless I overlook, those 2 doesn't seem to have those stuff.
Ok thanks - the Firstmate looks great unfortunately it isn't available in my location & the second has a few ingredients I'd have to really look into - but I would never buy a Diamond Manufactured pet food - they've had way too many problems over the past few years - both voluntary & involuntary recalls. I did email the Firstmate website to figure out how to buy that food here. Thanks.

Aside from Candiae being a Diamond manufactured food - these are the ingredients I'd look into - I think the methionine is just another fancy name for the evil synthetic vitamin K . DL-methionine, t dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract.

Keep the suggestions coming though! I just ordered a couple of cases of mixed TIKI brand foods from Chewy.com to see if my cats like it & what I think of it. I never ordered from Chewy before - I hope they deliver fresh food with a long away expiration date. Will let you all know.
 

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Ok thanks - the Firstmate looks great unfortunately it isn't available in my location & the second has a few ingredients I'd have to really look into - but I would never buy a Diamond Manufactured pet food - they've had way too many problems over the past few years - both voluntary & involuntary recalls. I did email the Firstmate website to figure out how to buy that food here. Thanks.

Aside from Candiae being a Diamond manufactured food - these are the ingredients I'd look into - I think the methionine is just another fancy name for the evil synthetic vitamin K . DL-methionine, t dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract.
Firstmate is not only gum and carrageenan free, its also only 6.8% carb, 144 cal. Their website don't seem to have updated on the guaranteed analysis, I worked out carb % based on infor on the can, so it came up to 6.8% carb.

Oh, didn't know Canidae is manufactured by Diamond, I thought only the dog range is. Those "t dried enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product, dried lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried trichoderma longibrachiatum fermentation extract." I thought they were pre and pro biotics, not a concern? but DL-methionine, I haven't checked, you may be right that its another name for Vit K3, but wow! then that makes looking for a decent cat food even tougher. Since reading your thread, I have been looking hard at ingredients list.
 
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