what color should the kittens be

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what would the out come be if my Siamese mix (pointed domestic??)and my pure bred Himalayan had kittens. I would like to see other answers now that ive learned more about it My siamese mix looks exactly like a seal tortie apple head, her mother was calico and her father is unknown. my pure bred himalyan had a dramatic face flame point father and a doll faced lynx point mother. with that being said would my female carry the pointed gene since she is a pointed domestic? would they produce mostly pointed kittens? if they would produce more domestic looking cats would they be darker? like black? very interested in learning about cat genes :)
 
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Howdy ho Cat Lovers,

Need a bit more information please.  What color is the Himy and does the tortie have any white anywhere?
 
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My male himalayan is a blue lynx point he has long hair, his father was flame flat faced point and his mother was a blue lynx point.

My domestic pointed cat is a seal tortie point she is short hair. her mother was calico domestic and her father is unknown

thank you for your help
 
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the seal tortie domestic is all white but her face ears tail and legs :)
 
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My female pointed domestic is my profile picture if that helps :)
 

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I hope you aren't really planning on breeding them, although figuring out the possible kitten colors is a fun exercise.  As long as millions of healthy, beautiful, friendly and many pointed kittens are being euthanized because there aren't enough homes, we should really avoid adding more kittens to the problem.  Even if you find good homes for all your kittens, each one is a home that a kitten in animal control won't be able to get.  Years ago, I was a Himalayan breeder, when they were first being created, but eventually I got into rescue and neutered and spayed all the breeders.  Some went to good homes, others stayed with me.  My very first Himalayan breeder, a champion seal point female lived to be 19 1/2 years old
 
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i breed my registered himlayan and my siamese cats. my pointed domestic is obviously not registered so should not be bred. on that note i was just asking a question about genetics, if their babies would be more pointed or if they would get the domestic side more. i always wondered and would love to know how genetics work in that department
 

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Yep kittens would all be colourpoint pattern.

If your female doesn't carry the blue gene you will not get any blues. But if she does you could get blues.

Possible male kittens colours are -

Seal point
seal lynx point
Red point
Red lynx point
Blue point - if mom carries blue
Blue lynx point - if mom carries blue

Possible female kitten colours are -

Seal point
Seal lynx point
Seal tortie point
Blue point - if mom carries blue
Blue lynx point - if mom carries blue
Blue tortie point - if mom carries blue

Lynx means tabby for anyone reading this and wondering what it means
 

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Just wanted to add that two colourpoint parents cannot produce a non-colourpoint kitten.

Colourpoint is recessive. So if both parents are colourpoint they are recessive and dont carry the more dominant genes for solid or tabby. Otherwise they wouldn't be a colourpoint they would be a solid or tabby and only carry the gene for colourpoint.
So because both parents have a recessive pattern they can only pass this recessive pattern on to their offspring

Hope you understand this lol :lol3:
 
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Wow that is amazing! thank you for answering my question! genetics work in strange ways! that is really neat! So what would happen if my color pointed domestic bred with a normal domestic would they be all domestic tabbies? so neat :)
 

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Wow that is amazing! thank you for answering my question! genetics work in strange ways! that is really neat! So what would happen if my color pointed domestic bred with a normal domestic would they be all domestic tabbies? so neat :)

There are two answers to this

1. If your cat bred with a non-colour pointed cat THAT carried the colourpoint pattern gene. Some of the kitten would be colourpoint other would not. The kittens that are not colourpoint would carry the gene for it and could pass this on to their offspring.

2. If your cat bred with a non-colourpoint cat that does NOT carry the colourpoint pattern. None of the kittens would be colourpoint but they would all carry the gene for it, which they could pass on to their offspring.
 
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that is so interesting thank you so much for explaining that to me. i always wondered how cats ended up like my bazz :)
 

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Howdy ho Cat Lovers,

Basically, the earlier replies give you the colors.  Here is some of the genetics.  We are talking about at least seven different genes affecting the colors and hair length of the cats discussed.

Agouti makes a cat have banded fur or not.  The recessive non-agouti mutation, "a" makes the cat be a seal point versus a lynx point.

Female is genotype aa, father is genotype Aa since his father was not a flame point (not a flame lynx point).  50% of kittens should be lynx point, 50% not.

Brown makes the cat have normal black color.  Chocolate and light brown (cinnamon) are rare colors - especially in the random bred domestic shorthair population.  All we can guess is both cats are B- with the dominant normal color.  They both could carry any recessive chocolate or light brown - then you could get some added colors - but very rare.

Pointed cats are cscs at the Color gene - both are pointed, then all offpsring will be pointed too.

Dilution is recessive, dd, to be blue.  Male is dd, female is D-, could carry the recessive blue.  This is less rare in random bred cats than the brown variants.  So, 50% diluted colors of blue and creams could appear!

Long hair is recessive, male is ll and the female is L-.  She could care long hair as this too is not so rare in random bred cats.  So, could have 50% long haired kittens too.

Spotting is a tricky trait - the calico mother did not pass it on - so it stops there as most bicolor cats have a co-dominant gene for white spotting.

Orange is on the X chromosome.  The male has no orange.  So, 50% of his male kittens could be orange and 50% black (then add in possible dilutions and brown variants).

Female kittens will get a normal X from the male and 50% of the time an X with the orange mutation and 50% of the time the X with the normal black.  So, 50% torties, and 50% seals.
 
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what would happen with facial structure through genetics? with my male being doll faced his father being dramatic and his mother being doll face. Also my pointed domestic being the regular domestic cat shape
 
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