Ok, so my poor little kitties that I had to give away are not having a good time where they are at. I feel so awful. But what really made me kind of mad was that the person I gave them to said they were full grown cats! They are not full grown cats! Whiner may look like he's older than he is, but seriously, they are like 5-6 months old! IMO, that is not full grown! So how old exactly is a full grown cat?