You are definitely going above and beyond with this cat, so many others would have gave up.Bless you for giving her a chance!
Hi bill,
Vet #2 confirms no medical root cause for Sassy's behavior. Confused about the diarrhea...until she let loose right on the table! Certainly a large enough sample size, but he did not test it. Cleaned it up and moved on.
Has given her a pro-biotic to try and straighten out her diarrhea issue and has prescribed Amytryptilene (sp?) to try to work on her anxiety.
He offered no further advice on getting her "back in the box." Ugh. He did discourage from confining her simply because there is no telling how much MORE stress that would put her under and be less helpful.
Ah, well...no firm idea of what next.
Personal aside: house deal for relocating is in a little bit of jeopardy because of foundational water damage discovered by inspector. YIPPEE!
She may experience any change as a punishment in some way but what I meant here was to make the general area as comfortable and inviting to her as you can, and avoid closing her in to the area around a time when she has soiled the floor or a time when things have been stressed around her. Possibly using one of her preferred areas of the home if it can be adequately protected. Would you confine her in the basement or another area of your home that can be easily cleaned? Important to think about how you would socialize with her and give her companionship. It might actually reassure her in some ways, difficult to tell not knowing her or knowing your home. In terms of the risk of increasing her stress level you could try introducing her to a single / confined room and if she responds well go ahead and see if it helps, and if she is anxious and distressed then go back to the current arrangement and medication from the vet?
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@MServant - how do we make confinement not feel like punishment? We are thinking she needs to stay in there for all but a few, limited access play/interaction sessions.
Sounds like you had some partial success with Sassy using the new litter boxes. This is good. There are bound to be setbacks however, given that this is a long-standing habit. The following link is a page on possible side effects of Amytrip, for your information : http://www.vetinfo.com/side-effects-amitriptyline-cats.htmlObviously, I didn't get to post yesterday. The day took on a life of its own.
Suffice to say, there was still urine on the floor to clean up yesterday morning. There WAS a sign of hope, at one point, in a clump of urine/litter in the open-top tub, but we can conclusively say it was "hers" because there was also more urine on the floor. Got that all cleaned up.
She had a dose of Amytriptilin and Probiotic. She is now even less social. Vet said it may take a few days for the Amytrip to "settle" in her system. She HATES taking pills (I use a pill shooter). She has been alternating behind hiding under a bed and laying on top of our guest bed (one of her favorite spots).
Mrs. and I went to visit friends for dinner last evening. Came home to find to uncovered stools (a Sassy trademark), one in each box - one more formed, the other still diarrhea, but NO urine anywhere, in or out.
Gave her the second dose of Amytrip before going to bed. Checked pans. Now, early Sunday morning, pans are still clear of stuff, and there was urine in the middle of the floor AGAIN.
The Amytrip, even at a low dose, makes her just seem moody and sleepy. She's about a 6 lb cat, and the dose is 2.5mg (quarter of a tablet) twice a day. She still has moments that she wants to come and lay beside me, but mostly she just balls herself up to lay somewhere.
We have re-supplied with Nature's Miracle, this time getting the "Just For Cats - Advanced" if that makes any difference over the regular Advanced Formula we are already using. I tried to contact the Nature's Miracle folks about their products through their online Q&A, but I guess I didn't ask my question clearly enough because their answer was completely unsatisfying.
Not sure how long to let the Amytrip work to judge whether or not its helping. Hoping the Probiotic might sort her intestinal/diarrhea issue out and THAT would being the urinating back in line. Holding out on confinement, but might still have to happen.
After all this time, and all these years, it breaks me to consider the last, extreme option of turning her over to a shelter, but as originally stated, we are at our wit's end. We don't know what else to do, and don't want to move to a new home only to have it ruined by uncontrollable behavior. I REALLY don't want to get to that point.
P.S. @Turks rule! - Striker has a long-standing sensitive stomach issue, diagnosed ~4 years ago. He eats Hill's Prescription Dry Z/D, and Sassy eats it just because she can. Vet said his more recent bouts of vomiting may be an intensifying of Inflammatory Bowel or Pancreatitis. We have increased the Prednisolone to daily dose, and thankfully, he hasn't thrown up at all for the past couple of days.
Hmm .. I wonder from what you have reported, if there is something going on between Striker and Sassy that may be causing Sassy to feel anxious resulting in the inappropriate elimination? Sometimes for whatever reason, two cats who once got along well, can suddenly develop an aversion to each other which can manifest in all kinds of behaviors. Given that Sassy has gone both on the floor and IN the litter box, means she is trying to use it at least which is great. Something is obviously making her avoid it as well. Could it be Striker or something about his urine that may be turning her away? If so, it would make some sense to put some space between Striker and Sassy while she is trying to work things out with the litter box, or introduce a third box. I have a small female, who is much smaller than her male counterparts, and she intensely dislikes interruptions when she is in the litter box, of which there are two. She does not eliminate inappropriately, but she will sometimes leave the litter box and come back is she hears one of the males approaching.
Setback.
This morning, I was awake early (4:40a), but didn't check the basement until later (7:30a).
Discovered a fairly recent puddle of urine on the floor, in front of the foil overlay shown in the pic on page 1 of this thread (at a spot that has been cleaned multiple times with multiple doses of Nature's Miracle).
There was also a small mound of diarrhea on the floor in a different area. However, there was also a much more formed stool resting atop the litter (a Sassy trademark move) in the open-air tub.
Cleaned all that up and sat for coffee with Mrs.
She fed both cats, but noticed Striker glaring at Sassy, so she physically helped him find a new location. As we sat, I saw Sassy stroll through the Living Room, ignoring my calling her name. After not being seen for a little bit, she passed back through. Automatically suspicious now, I went to the basement and found a fresh line of urine on the open floor, RIGHT NEXT TO the still-drying Nature's Miracle from the day's first cleanup. There was also another, very small drop of diarrhea in the open-air tub.
Somewhere in the midst of that, Mrs. had to discourage Striker from having yet another staring contest with Sassy.
This is not good news to us.
She has now received the first doses of today's medicine, and a mani/pedi. She allowed me to pet her afterward, but has since slunk back to the guest bedroom.
Ugh.