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My friend said I should try feed Layla every three hours with milk and an hour after feed her meat but not sure
What do you think?
What do you think?
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Feeding kitten
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Why arent you sure? Do you have another ideas? I want to hear them!
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No not got any other ideas just I wasn't sure that's all
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Layla and her mum Lilly who died 3weeks ago R.I.P
I think it is better to do it the other way around. Meat /minced meat with egg yolk is new. So it may be a idea to give it first, when she is hungry. And her kitten kmr milk afterwards, as she knows what it is and will eat at least some anyway, even if she had already eaten the meat.
But if you notice she doesnt want the new food, you of course make the pause shorter
Good luck!
But if you notice she doesnt want the new food, you of course make the pause shorter
Good luck!
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Hey Layla don't want meat now or the milk in the last 3hours and I'm gettin worried about her as I weighed her 5mins ago and she has lost 8g she is biting the bottle teat and isn't taken any of the food
Any ideas plz
Oh it's 00:25 here
Any ideas plz
Oh it's 00:25 here
Oh, thats not good. I fear a crashing may be near.Hey Layla don't want meat now or the milk in the last 3hours and I'm gettin worried about her as I weighed her 5mins ago and she has lost 8g she is biting the bottle teat and isn't taken any of the food
Any ideas plz
Oh it's 00:25 here
She is still warm enough, with a warming pad or similiar, right?
Perk her up with a little glucose on the gum, and forcefeed. Make sure she has enough with water too, so she doesnt get dehydrated. Perhaps the first bottling with pedialyte. Later on milk with some pedialyte in.
Getting dehydrated is always a big danger, and being dehydrated they lose forces.
If you got to the vet with such weak kittens, the first thing they typically do is to inject them with fluids.
You had got advices how to forcefeed, and know how to do it right?
Also, how to make homemade pedialyte. Or if you have bought pedialyte.
*vibes!*
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I'm seeing the last post from the op was over 5 hours ago, can we get an update??
Also she does look small, more like a 3 1/2-4 weeks old baby.
As you know she is still fragile. Usually by the time a kitten reaches 6 weeks old they are stable enough if healthy, to feel pretty confident they will make it.
Her being smaller, sets her back a bit.
I would like to see her be syringe fed for a couple days until she gets back on track.
They sell larger syringes, like even the type at the drug store for ear washing.
She needs a decent quality pate canned food, make a mixture of some of that, some KMR. I use an empty water bottle so it can be stored in the fridge and shook easily, just pour out the amt you need in a small dish or cup and warm it in the micro or by filling the syringe and running it under hot water until it warms.
Wrap her up in a towel snugly, practice OUT of her mouth so you get the feel of squirting the syringe, as you don't want to drown her with a mouthful.
Just small side of her mouth squirts, allow her to swallow and take a breath, then repeat.
This will help get her going again.
If she loses all interest and begins acting lethargic, it is urgent that she gets some white Karo syrup, sugar water or honey rubbed on her gums and tongue.
This gets her a rush of sugar and revives, but temporarily.
So you will need to get feeding her via syringe asap.
How is her behavior? Could you tease her a bit with something like a little piece of paper, anything that, if you move it slowly she will be interested? Her age/developement should be this. If she had siblings they would be showing early play signs, sort of going up to the other one and tagging it, or bat at a tail, etc.
Also she does look small, more like a 3 1/2-4 weeks old baby.
As you know she is still fragile. Usually by the time a kitten reaches 6 weeks old they are stable enough if healthy, to feel pretty confident they will make it.
Her being smaller, sets her back a bit.
I would like to see her be syringe fed for a couple days until she gets back on track.
They sell larger syringes, like even the type at the drug store for ear washing.
She needs a decent quality pate canned food, make a mixture of some of that, some KMR. I use an empty water bottle so it can be stored in the fridge and shook easily, just pour out the amt you need in a small dish or cup and warm it in the micro or by filling the syringe and running it under hot water until it warms.
Wrap her up in a towel snugly, practice OUT of her mouth so you get the feel of squirting the syringe, as you don't want to drown her with a mouthful.
Just small side of her mouth squirts, allow her to swallow and take a breath, then repeat.
This will help get her going again.
If she loses all interest and begins acting lethargic, it is urgent that she gets some white Karo syrup, sugar water or honey rubbed on her gums and tongue.
This gets her a rush of sugar and revives, but temporarily.
So you will need to get feeding her via syringe asap.
How is her behavior? Could you tease her a bit with something like a little piece of paper, anything that, if you move it slowly she will be interested? Her age/developement should be this. If she had siblings they would be showing early play signs, sort of going up to the other one and tagging it, or bat at a tail, etc.
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Sorry for no update sooner
I tried to feed her at 2am 4 am and 6am she only took 3ml each time so at 8 am I gave her kitten meat and she stopped eating at 8:45 she had all the jelly and tiny bits of the meat but she still won't take the bottle.
How do you make up pedialyte??
I tryed the food with egg yoke and she wouldn't take that last nite
Yes she is small and I called the vet this morning and goin later on
I'm goin to be honest with you all I was in tears b4 as I can't lose her and I've only had an hour sleep
I tried to feed her at 2am 4 am and 6am she only took 3ml each time so at 8 am I gave her kitten meat and she stopped eating at 8:45 she had all the jelly and tiny bits of the meat but she still won't take the bottle.
How do you make up pedialyte??
I tryed the food with egg yoke and she wouldn't take that last nite
Yes she is small and I called the vet this morning and goin later on
I'm goin to be honest with you all I was in tears b4 as I can't lose her and I've only had an hour sleep
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She tries to attack my fingers and feet and she likes to walk up my leg. She gets out of her bed and walks in to the kitchen a lot and mischief keeps her warm as she shares her bed
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Mischief and Layla a week or so ago
Good you are visiting the vet with her. Ask him if he knows how to tube, give food with a tube into stomach, if he can show you. Not all vets knows! Tubeing is sometimes useful, but it is dangerous and difficult if you dont know EXACTLY how to do it. That is why we usually dont mention it.
shall continue
Now I saw your nex update. If she still plays, climbs on you and raids the kitchen, and do eats every two hours, even if it is small portions - it isnt too bad. even quite good.
Although it baffles me why she should refuse milk. Or she does eats milk but just little each tome?
I though she stopped with all this.
Her losing weigh is not good of course. Unless you mixed up with the weigting. Easy done.
I remeber such did happened at least once in a case here I was assisting with.
6 or 8 losed grams is exactly what she usually gains a day - ie one mixed up weighting....
continuing.
How to make homemade pedialyte.
Best is to use glucose sugar, for example bought as dextrose [brand name], flavorless dextrose is best, but flavored works too.. You find it in common supermarkets. The unflavored meal-alike in the baking departement. The flavored are as energy giver for sportsmen and persons taking exam, so it will prob be either the shelf with sweeties and candy, and or the sports departement.
If you are in a hurry, honey or white caro syrup works too - they both contains much glucose.
Common white kitchen sugar works too, but is much slower.
Salt. Common kitchen salt is OK, but if you can get the so called minerale kitchen salt, with several different "parts", its even better.
1½ soup spoons (15-18 grammes) of glucose
1 tea spoon (3 grammes) of kitchen salt
a little trifle natrium carbonate "baking soda" if you have - not necessary
1 litre water.
Stir up, boil. Let it cood down to body temp.
Use. Works nicely for both humans and cats. Forcefeed if necessary, so you dont risk to be dehydrated.
Some say homemade pedialyte is even better tha the bought pedialyte. Bought pedialyte is a little too elabored.
The same glucose/destrose or honey or white caro syrup, is also useful if the kittens begins to be lethargic and uninterested. Have smear some, a couple of drops, on its gum. The energy perks it up.
Good luck!
shall continue
Now I saw your nex update. If she still plays, climbs on you and raids the kitchen, and do eats every two hours, even if it is small portions - it isnt too bad. even quite good.
Although it baffles me why she should refuse milk. Or she does eats milk but just little each tome?
I though she stopped with all this.
Her losing weigh is not good of course. Unless you mixed up with the weigting. Easy done.
I remeber such did happened at least once in a case here I was assisting with.
6 or 8 losed grams is exactly what she usually gains a day - ie one mixed up weighting....
continuing.
How to make homemade pedialyte.
Best is to use glucose sugar, for example bought as dextrose [brand name], flavorless dextrose is best, but flavored works too.. You find it in common supermarkets. The unflavored meal-alike in the baking departement. The flavored are as energy giver for sportsmen and persons taking exam, so it will prob be either the shelf with sweeties and candy, and or the sports departement.
If you are in a hurry, honey or white caro syrup works too - they both contains much glucose.
Common white kitchen sugar works too, but is much slower.
Salt. Common kitchen salt is OK, but if you can get the so called minerale kitchen salt, with several different "parts", its even better.
1½ soup spoons (15-18 grammes) of glucose
1 tea spoon (3 grammes) of kitchen salt
a little trifle natrium carbonate "baking soda" if you have - not necessary
1 litre water.
Stir up, boil. Let it cood down to body temp.
Use. Works nicely for both humans and cats. Forcefeed if necessary, so you dont risk to be dehydrated.
Some say homemade pedialyte is even better tha the bought pedialyte. Bought pedialyte is a little too elabored.
The same glucose/destrose or honey or white caro syrup, is also useful if the kittens begins to be lethargic and uninterested. Have smear some, a couple of drops, on its gum. The energy perks it up.
Good luck!
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Ps, use perhaps a dropper or a syringe instead of bottle, when you feed her. It is easier. YOU must be careful with the technique, so she doesnt get the fluid in wrong throat, but otherwise it is easier than with bottle, for her and for you. Also, with so small amounts as she ates, you really dont need a bottle.
Sort of voluntary forcefeed, so to speak.
Good luck!
Sort of voluntary forcefeed, so to speak.
Good luck!
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Just got bk from vets he don't want to use a tube as he don't like the idea he's told me to carry on tying and to call the vet tomorrow to see how she is getting on. He gave me some worming for her. He said that coz she is bottle feed she will b small.
In my mind I didn't like the vet and I would like to get a second vets advice
Sorry if that don't sound right but i think I'm doin well as I'm dyslexic
In my mind I didn't like the vet and I would like to get a second vets advice
Sorry if that don't sound right but i think I'm doin well as I'm dyslexic
If you do have access to another vet, and do afford, it may surely be wise to visit another one too. Not all vets are good with small kittens.
I dont think bottle fed kittens get smaller. I think bottle feed are often small, because it is the small ones and sickly ones we do bottle feed.
Try with a dropper or a syringer, it should be easier.
Nay, we dont have problems with your dyslexia.
You perhaps write a little too short sometimes.
But I do hope you manage to read our long answers!
I know many dyslectics are really good at reading, if they are not stressed, have time - or are interested. Which you are.
Good luck!
I dont think bottle fed kittens get smaller. I think bottle feed are often small, because it is the small ones and sickly ones we do bottle feed.
Try with a dropper or a syringer, it should be easier.
Nay, we dont have problems with your dyslexia.
You perhaps write a little too short sometimes.
But I do hope you manage to read our long answers!
I know many dyslectics are really good at reading, if they are not stressed, have time - or are interested. Which you are.
Good luck!
This. I sometimes come across sounding harsher than I mean to in these posts, so please know my heart is in the right place, but for the time being you have to forget about the bottle (and also about the meat) and just force feed her with a syringe. @catwoman707 explained very well how to do so on the last page and @StefanZ has offered very good advice as well.
Ps, use perhaps a dropper or a syringe instead of bottle, when you feed her. It is easier. YOU must be careful with the technique, so she doesnt get the fluid in wrong throat, but otherwise it is easier than with bottle, for her and for you. Also, with so small amounts as she ates, you really dont need a bottle.
Sort of voluntary forcefeed, so to speak.
Good luck!
Your vet should be able to provide you with a syringe or you can purchase one at most drugstores. If you cannot find one for some reason a dropper can also work, but it takes a bit longer that way to get her the amount she needs. As Stefan Z says the only real trick to it is to make sure you are placing the syringe/dropper in the side of her mouth and getting the food into her cheek.
Catwoman707 gave perfect advice about mixing the pate food and formula and heating it up a bit.
Please, please start force feeding her this way. She really needs it. If you keep just using the bottle, I fear she will quickly be fading.
Good luck. Please keep updating us!
When you syringe feed, point it across the kittens mouth not down it's throat. If the plunger jerks and it's pointing across the excess squirts out the other side, not down it's throat. I had to syringe feed one of my (planned pedigree) kittens who went very 'off' when his mum suddenly stopped letting him feed, and I found it easiest to hold him by his scruff against me. I was feeding watered down A/D, ended up covered in the stuff and the drips set really hard.
I totally agree with StefanZ, bottle babies are usually smaller simply because they were smaller to start, that is why they needed to be bottle fed.
I have had countless bottle fed babies end up to be great big full sized adults, they just get off to a slower start, but in time catch up fine.
It doesn't suprise me one bit that the vet said this, not does it suprise me that he did not agree that tube feeding is what is needed to save her either, I would bet it is because he is unfamiliar with tube feeding, unfamiliar with saving newborns or orphaned babies, not that he is bad, as so many vets are just the same.
They practice vet care on kitten vaccines, worming, uri's, the standard. It is rescues who know what it takes to save kittens.
If you can, why not call all of the vets around where you live, and ask if they are willing to teach you how to properly tube feed your kitten as well as give the supplies.
If you do find one who will, then that particular vet does have some experience with very young kittens.
A few do, many do not. The one who does is the vet you will want to use.
Otherwise, please take mine and others advice and syringe asap. Each day the kitten is not getting enough nourishment is harmful to her.
I know you don't want to lose her.
Oh also, her behavior is a good sign!
And don't worry about being dyslexic, as long as you understand what we are advising, all is fine!
I have had countless bottle fed babies end up to be great big full sized adults, they just get off to a slower start, but in time catch up fine.
It doesn't suprise me one bit that the vet said this, not does it suprise me that he did not agree that tube feeding is what is needed to save her either, I would bet it is because he is unfamiliar with tube feeding, unfamiliar with saving newborns or orphaned babies, not that he is bad, as so many vets are just the same.
They practice vet care on kitten vaccines, worming, uri's, the standard. It is rescues who know what it takes to save kittens.
If you can, why not call all of the vets around where you live, and ask if they are willing to teach you how to properly tube feed your kitten as well as give the supplies.
If you do find one who will, then that particular vet does have some experience with very young kittens.
A few do, many do not. The one who does is the vet you will want to use.
Otherwise, please take mine and others advice and syringe asap. Each day the kitten is not getting enough nourishment is harmful to her.
I know you don't want to lose her.
Oh also, her behavior is a good sign!
And don't worry about being dyslexic, as long as you understand what we are advising, all is fine!
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Hey just a update Layla has put on 9g as I weighed her 10mins ago I've have been feedin her with milk and meat mixed up and she is still playful I've been feedin her every 2 hours and I'm glad it's paying off.
Thank you for all the advice and I will keep you all updated
Thank you for all the advice and I will keep you all updated
That is excellent news
Hopefully no more scares!
Hopefully no more scares!
