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post #1 of 27
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My cat who just recently had kittens, about 3 weeks ago, keeps urinating and defecating all over the place. I've taken her to the vet and there is nothing wrong with her. At this point im just kind of done with it, I really want to keep my cat but she's dirty, I cant take it anymore, its disgusting. I woke up to go pee and i step on my carpet and she messed all over it, my other cat never ever does that, I don't get it, she's well fed shes a nice cat but it cant handle that
post #2 of 27

Is her litter box near to her kittens? If the box is too close she won't use it because she is worried that predators might smell her and then find the babies. Giving her a choice of litter boxes in other rooms might help.

 

How is her relationship with your other cat? Does the other cat go into the room where her kittens are? She might be trying to mark out some territory to let the other cat know she or he has to stay away.

post #3 of 27
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The litter is nowhere near the kittens, the two cats have used the same litter fine for 2 months, she just does it to do it you know?

I realized in my first post I seem aggressive but Im not, I've done everything to help this cat, I've taken her in, I've given her good food and I take very well care of her, but you cannot help a cat who does not want to be helped. I really love this cat but on the other hand I shouldn't have to worry that my house is going to be destroyed by a cat with issues.

My other cat does not do any of these things and she never has.

And if my cat doesn't even use her litter anymore, well how will she even show her kittens what to do?
post #4 of 27
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im just extremely frustrated because I feel like its a slap in the face each time she's done it, its upsetting because I'm usually amazing with animals and this never happends.
post #5 of 27
Are both adult cats using the same litterbox? Has she seen a vet to rule out physical reasons?
post #6 of 27
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she has seen a vet.
post #7 of 27
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Originally Posted by meowitsathena View Post

she has seen a vet.


And what did the vet come up with?

 

Cat's are far from dirty, their known for being fastidious when it comes to the litterbox, so there has to be a reason why this is happening?.

 

How often do you scoop the litterbox, and how many do you have?

post #8 of 27

I am no expert but from what I have read on TCS there really should be multiple boxes. The golden rule is the number of cats + 1. So since you have two (not counting the kittens) there should be three boxes. 

 

Is momma cat and the kittens isolated from the other cat? Even if you can't have three boxes, it probably is a good idea to have momma cat her own box, closer to her own space. 

 

Just some ideas - hopefully someone else with more experience can help you. :)

post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by meowitsathena View Post

The litter is nowhere near the kittens, the two cats have used the same litter fine for 2 months, she just does it to do it you know?

I realized in my first post I seem aggressive but Im not, I've done everything to help this cat, I've taken her in, I've given her good food and I take very well care of her, but you cannot help a cat who does not want to be helped. I really love this cat but on the other hand I shouldn't have to worry that my house is going to be destroyed by a cat with issues.

My other cat does not do any of these things and she never has.

And if my cat doesn't even use her litter anymore, well how will she even show her kittens what to do?

She is not doing it "just to do it". There's a problem somewhere....you need to find out what's going on. The ONLY way that she can tell you there's something wrong is by peeing outside of the box. She can't talk. You can't understand her. But there's a problem.

 

Is your other cat a male or a female? Either way, you should probably give your new mama and her kittens a place of their own for a while in their own room, if you can. The mama could feel threatened right now by the other cat. It's instinctive; that's simply the way it is. She may not have peed out of the box before. But her life has changed right now....she's a mom. And she's worried.

 

Pinkman is right; 1 box per cat, plus one box. And scoop, Scoop at least twice a day, more if you have time. Keep a box in the same room where she and her kittens are located. And keep the other cat away for a while at least until the kittens are a few weeks older.

 

As for teaching the kittens where to pee? Most moms are really good about helping to train their kittens. But there are things you can do, too, to help. When the kittens are old enough, you need a very small litter pan with sides about two inches tall, if that. Place each kitten in the pan and gently(!) take their front paw and paw through the litter. Do this after every feeding, whether they're on kitten food or still nursing from mom. Do this after their naps. Do this after a good playing session. Do it often....between you and what they get from mom, they'll get the hang of it. Don't do it until they're ready. 

post #10 of 27

So-

 

I also just briefly looked at your other posts. You also have a dog too? Does he/she also have free access to momma cat? If so - there might be a lot of tension going on. If you have to, do isolate momma and her kittens in your room with a litter box. Not the most ideal but to be honest, if you scoop often enough there is no smell. This is from experience. :)

 

Good luck!

post #11 of 27
good morning...ive spoken to a professional "animal behavioural specialist" over morning coffee.she believes your mama cat COULD be having a sort of separation anxiety when she has to use the litterbox, as she must leave the kittens too far away for her own comfort.suggestion is to sort of isolate mama and babies to their own area, with her very own litterbox.also if you are able, buy a (diffuser and the product that calms cats through pheromones(?) aromatherapy(?) let me explain im just an ol country boy who hasnt made up his mind as to the "usefulness" of my coffee buddys big, fancy education. she sure has been in college a long time, recently got her phd and now will be working in that field at the university in manhattan kansas.anyhow that was her first thoughts on your troubles based on the info she read...pls be patient with her and the kittens.she didnt start peeing n pooping outside the box just to make you mad.i sure hope ol "doc" gave some good advice.have a pleasant day.
post #12 of 27
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Just the answer I was looking for. It's just very stressful for me, let alone the cat. I took her in as a stray, being nice as I am. Is it weird that she pees and poops on a specific carpet?
post #13 of 27
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He just said she was healthy, which she is. She's a very happy cat.

And cats can very well be dirty, my neighboor took in a stray and it peed every where and destroyed her couches.

To me; a cat who is extremely healthy and seems to be very well happy, and still continues to pee and poop around the house is a dirty cat.
post #14 of 27
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I love this cat a lot, and I've had her for 2/3 months now. But all she has been doing is causing me problems. Since I figured out she was pregnant ive done nothing but treat her like royalty, I've given up my whole room, I haven't slept in my own bed for 3 weeks because she's in there and she gives me looks when I want to sleep in my bed, I understand you have to take care of a cat but not to the point where my house smells of cat pee, and that she's kicked me out of my own room
post #15 of 27
as for you taking in a stray/abandoned cat...you are an angel. from my coffee conversation i gathered as well that female cats mark their turf too and may be warning other animals away, or leaving scent for the kittens.again...you are a great person for taking her in.
post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by meowitsathena View Post

Just the answer I was looking for. It's just very stressful for me, let alone the cat. I took her in as a stray, being nice as I am. Is it weird that she pees and poops on a specific carpet?

Actually, that's not odd. Unless you're using and enzyme cleaner to break down the urine every time she does it, she's likely still able to smell it and associates that carpet as a place to pee. Where is the carpet? You could try getting a box and putting it on top of the carpet, since she's going there already. You can also try something like Cat Attract litter, although you'll need to be careful that the kittens can't get to it and eat it. It may actually be that one spot that she feels is a 'good' spot for her.
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by pinkman View Post
 

So-

 

I also just briefly looked at your other posts. You also have a dog too? Does he/she also have free access to momma cat? If so - there might be a lot of tension going on. If you have to, do isolate momma and her kittens in your room with a litter box. Not the most ideal but to be honest, if you scoop often enough there is no smell. This is from experience. :)

 

Good luck!

If you have a dog as well, no wonder mama is stressed.  I'm thinking that is one stressed-out little girl! A new mom with another cat and a dog in the house! She is worried about predators. And you may not think the other cat is a predator....but she doesn't know any better. She really doesn't. Definitely isolate the mama cat and kittens, if only for a few weeks. And again, Pinkman is right. If you scoop regularly, there is no smell.

 

In fact, there's a litter box in our bedroom 24/7. I scoop in the morning and again at night....on weekends when I'm home, I may scoop three times. IMO, a litter box can never be too clean.

 

We kept Whisper and her five kittens in an old laundry basket with blankets for bedding....we kept the basket in our bedroom with us at night and would shut the door so our male cat couldn't get in the bedroom.. Whisper would go in the basket to be with her babies, but the she'd jump into the bed with us for a nap throughout the night. If the kittens started to fuss, she'd leave the bed and jump back in the basket. We had a litter box in the bedroom for her, along with her food and water. She moved the kittens one time, about 2-3 days after they were born; she took each one under a bureau in the bedroom and they stayed there for a couple of days....she needed to get them away from the birthing fluids, again she was protecting them from any predators. We replaced the old "birthing" blanket with fresh bedding and then we brought the kittens back to the basket. She never moved them again. 

 

I wouldn't worry about her glaring at you when you go to bed. Keep the door shut and she'll calm down, even with you in the room with her. I don't know that she's kicked you out of your room; it really looks like you kicked yourself out! :)

 

And as Varmint mentioned, the Feliway diffusers can be a good idea. Personally (and this is just me), we never had a lot of luck with them, but I do know many people who did use them and the diffusers helped their cats.

 

Bless you for taking her in and taking care of her and her kittens. I can honestly tell you that having Whisper and her kittens grow up in our house was truly one of the most blessed things we could have ever done. Watching those kids grow up and become cats was amazing, even with them going through their "teenaged" years, especially with Ms. Pepe who was Trouble from day one. I cannot tell you how much we enjoyed them. We still have two of them. BooBoo and Ms. Pepe will turn 18 years old in February....they're the remaining "kittens" from that litter.

post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by Ms. Freya View Post

Actually, that's not odd. Unless you're using and enzyme cleaner to break down the urine every time she does it, she's likely still able to smell it and associates that carpet as a place to pee. Where is the carpet? You could try getting a box and putting it on top of the carpet, since she's going there already. You can also try something like Cat Attract litter, although you'll need to be careful that the kittens can't get to it and eat it. It may actually be that one spot that she feels is a 'good' spot for her.

The carpet is like infront of my toilet.
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Ms. Freya View Post

Actually, that's not odd. Unless you're using and enzyme cleaner to break down the urine every time she does it, she's likely still able to smell it and associates that carpet as a place to pee. Where is the carpet? You could try getting a box and putting it on top of the carpet, since she's going there already. You can also try something like Cat Attract litter, although you'll need to be careful that the kittens can't get to it and eat it. It may actually be that one spot that she feels is a 'good' spot for her.

The thing is, I don't want to have to go after her and buy 300 $ worth of products just because she's got an issue, isn't there a way to just get her not to crap on my bathroom carpet, it really wasn't lovely stepping in it
post #20 of 27

Is it a rug that you can throw in the washer? That would clean it better then spot cleaning. If it's wall to wall, at least it won't be too expensive to replace, you could buy a remnant. Walmart or any big store has enzyme cleaners for 5.00 - 10.00 a bottle, sometimes 3.99! I would bet she is going there because she smells urine there, which you are going to have no matter how careful you (mostly men) are if you have carpet in your bathroom. We have remodeled many houses that reeked of urine in front of the toilet. First of all I would DEFINITELY change the litter and the box you have it in, maybe try even sand, there MUST be something she doesn't like about the litter or the box.She may calm down after a little time passes, I've had cats do that when they are upset with something and she may be just stressed out after having the kittens. If at all possible put her in a room by herself (and of course her kittens) and a litterbox to see if she'll start using it. There IS a reason, cats are not spiteful and do not do things like this on purpose. Bless you for trying, good luck!

post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by meowitsathena View Post

The thing is, I don't want to have to go after her and buy 300 $ worth of products just because she's got an issue, isn't there a way to just get her not to crap on my bathroom carpet, it really wasn't lovely stepping in it

I am sure that wasn't pleasant!

Is the carpet a small rug that can be washed or is the bathroom wall to wall? Any way to keep door closed and keep her out of that room?

Strange as it sounds , your kitty might just understand that the bathroom is where you know , poop happens. As odd as it sounds, she may be trying to bond with you by pooping closer to where you poop. Now, that may not sound like much comfort, but if so, she is wanting to please.

She may be also picking up on your frustration and may not have a clue she's annoying you. She may be frowning not at you , but at your frown. Cats read faces just like people do.

If this was my cat I would shiw lots of love around the litter box , showering affection when she's in it. Lots of. "Good girl!" and treats.

Then I would scrub the toilet down like crazy, not just the carpet. I mean clean the outside too.

Everybody says keep litter box away from food and bed but when I got my cat I kept it all in the same room, and my cat was fine with it. More than fine.

Lastly, you deserve some sleep too! I love the idea if using a laundry basket for mama n babies. Or a big box or something.
That's so sweet you took her in. But you need to set healthy boundaries too. I think if you can get some sleep, things will make more sense. She's not giving you the evel eye; she's a new mama is all...and trying to figure things out, too. She sounds like a darn smart cat!!
post #22 of 27

Also worth noting that while we consider urine to be dirtyand a human who went around the house peeing everywhere could legitimately be called dirtywhen a cat, especially a stray cat who isn't spayed or neutered, pees/sprays all over a house, that's not them being unclean. That's them doing their primordial marking of territory. 

post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Di and Bob View Post

Is it a rug that you can throw in the washer? That would clean it better then spot cleaning. If it's wall to wall, at least it won't be too expensive to replace, you could buy a remnant. Walmart or any big store has enzyme cleaners for 5.00 - 10.00 a bottle, sometimes 3.99! I would bet she is going there because she smells urine there, which you are going to have no matter how careful you (mostly men) are if you have carpet in your bathroom. We have remodeled many houses that reeked of urine in front of the toilet. First of all I would DEFINITELY change the litter and the box you have it in, maybe try even sand, there MUST be something she doesn't like about the litter or the box.She may calm down after a little time passes, I've had cats do that when they are upset with something and she may be just stressed out after having the kittens. If at all possible put her in a room by herself (and of course her kittens) and a litterbox to see if she'll start using it. There IS a reason, cats are not spiteful and do not do things like this on purpose. Bless you for trying, good luck!

Yes I can wash it, but the point is for her not to pee on it. I don't want to have to wash it daily because she thinks its a bathroom for her. I tolerate that she pees in the bath because I cannot stop that. I've tried almost everything, her litter is always clean, I'm pretty sure shes fine as she walks around the house rubbing against our legs and sleeping with us. As she's not as social as my other cat (who I have had since she was a little baby) she ignores us a lot. I've taken her in because its almost winter and she would have probably died of starvation, leading to her kittens dying aswell. I love this cat but I'm not prepared to spend hundreds of dollars on the cat you know?
post #24 of 27
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For those wondering, these are her kittens
post #25 of 27

Perhaps keep the rug put away until the issue is resolved? I think the suggestions above are really great, to give her and her kittens some space to feel is their own, so she's not so worried as a new mother.

post #26 of 27

I'm sorry if I sound harsh. My intention is to help you, help your momma cat, so both of ya'll can be happy. :)

 

Her litter may be always clean but how many boxes do you have? I'm not sure if you have answered it already. Some households can do just one box for how many cats they have but from my own personal experience - it's usually a lot more stinkier.

 

Enzyme cleaning products do not cost 300 dollars, luckily. My friends have had good results with Anti-Icky Poo. Fizzion is my cleaner of choice. And really, having an Enzyme cleaner is almost a necessity if you have cats, none of it will actually go to waste.

 

I am very glad you have saved this cat. Don't get me wrong, I really am glad. However, I have to point out that 1) You can not force her to become friendly immediately just because you saved her. She was a stray, she may have had human contact but you really do not know what her background was. Having a rescue cat means you're going to deal with a mysterious background - which can go either way. I know Lox was not the most friendly cat but after a year she has opened up tremendously. It was definitely frustrating for me, since I was a dog person back then. Being a two year old rescue cat, I needed to work with Lox on her own terms. 2) Cats are an investment. Especially pregnant/nursing mothers. There is no way around that. When you take in a cat, whether it be a kitten, a stray, or a feral you decide to keep, there is a level of commitment that needs to be understood. When you took her in, I'm sure you had good intentions, bu did you consider that there may have been a chance having to spend a lot of money even if she didn't have urination problems? What if she needed a C-Section? Of course, she didn't need one - my point is that when taking a cat in, it is a huge commitment. Commitment is also not just about money, but also being patient and putting the time.

 

Have you seen Jackson Galaxy's My Cat From Hell? It's a show where an animal behaviorist goes to peoples' households that have "hellish" cat(s). Usually it's not really the cats that are hellish but the owners that misunderstand their cats. Usually for the most part - the owners of these so-called hellish cats were just not educated enough. Now, the reason I bring this up is because from what I have read, it seems that you have an expectation that momma cat will just "stop" her urination behavior. I hate to say, that's not going to happen. I'm glad you took her to the vet - at least it seems it's not anything medical related. A lot of the responses you got are very on-point, and very do-able in my opinion as long as you put the effort. I'm sorry if I may be misunderstood. 

 

Now, breathe. Relax. I have high hopes that if you do take the advice that is given and keep us updated, and keep asking questions if things don't go as planned it will still end up being okay. We are here to help you.

post #27 of 27
With her kittens at that age, she may be in heat again and is trying to attract males. Be sure to keep her inside until she's spayed or you'll be doing this all over again! You can't really know if this is part of her personality until after she's spayed, because hormones make cats do really weird things.

The usual litterbox advice is more litterboxes, more scooping, try different litters.

I gave up on bathroom rugs years ago laughing02.gif I don't know if it's the rubber backing or what, but cats sure seem to like them :/.

It's not "a slap in the face" to you or anyone else. Cats do cat things and this doesn't always go with what humans like. It's annoying, yes, but it's definitely not a personal insult.
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