Mystery cat. Chocolate/Lilac british shorthair?

Chocolate/Lilac british shorthair?
Champagne Burmese?

Can you guess?


Thank you.

Neither. Champagne is a very pale color, and the face/ear shape isn't quite right for a burmese. Chocolate and lilac are two different colors, neither of which are allowed in British Shorthairs.

The cat seems to be a mix!The cat must have Siamese in it cause it has light brown tinting it fur! I cant seem to put a finger on what the other mix part it!

According to a book I own, called, "Cats, the ultimate cat lover's guide" by Catherine Davidson, there is such a thing as Chocolate British Shorthairs, and Lilac British Shorthairs. I'm not sure what you mean by allowed? Either way, I'm still curious as to what mix breed this mystery cat is.

DiegoJames said:

 
The cat seems to be a mix!The cat must have Siamese in it cause it has light brown tinting it fur! I cant seem to put a finger on what the other mix part it!

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I think a lot of breed have "ticked coats". Still, the cat remains a mystery! So beautiful....

Okay, I really do think it's a Burmese. Check this photo out! Anyway, from the looks of a google image search of "Burmese" I believe it's a burmese. 

 That's  a sable Burmese.    Chocolate Burmese are not THAT dark.  ( I suppose there is a little chance it could be a very dark chocolate Burm in lighting that makes it look even darker. .  the contrast in that photo is high and may be distorting the way the coat looks.

Definitely not lilac.

and definitely not a Brit!   the body and head are wrong ,  although it is true that an American type Burmese does have a very rounded look and a short muzzle similar to a Brit.  but the head is not as massive , they don't have such cheeks,   the ears are not as wide set as on the Brit,  the boning is not as heavy.  The coat is not as extremely plush , it is closer lying than the British coat ,  but not as close lying as a Siamese.

Sable is  the darkest color in Burmese.,  the very very  dark brown ones.   it's the " sepia"  pattern version of the color that in a pointed/ colorpoint  pattern is seal point.  

This is my friend Chunky,  an excellent chocolate Burmese  ,   who was the top Burmese in TICA last season.  

 
His father is also a chocolate,  but a darker chocolate.  so he looks closer to that other photo but still not that dark.

 and here is a lilac Burmese.  ( she was the top Burmese kitten last season in TICA)


So you may be wondering,  what is the reason these Burmese have a different color than those British Shorthairs,  although you see the same base color names ?  

Burmese all have what's called the sepia pattern ( or Burmese pattern).  It basically does a similar thing that the pointed ( Siamese) pattern does,  as far as suppressing some pigment at the cooler parts of the body, but it works to a lesser extent.   so there is not as much contrast as there typically is in a pointed cat like a Siamese or Himalayan (pointed Persian)

The British Shorthairs in those photos  have the dominant gene " C"  for full coloration ( which most cats have).  They are not sepia and not pointed.  They don't have any of their color being inhibited by having the genes for one of those patterns.  

BTW,  the chocolate and lilac colors were not originally allowed in British Shorthairs,  and still are not allowed in CFA,  because those colors came from Siamese and Burmese.  They're not native to British cats.  I think the Brits got them via the Persians (both self / solid and the colorpoint / " Himalayan"  Persians),  and the Persians got them from Siamese  many years ago. 

maewkaew said:

 
BTW,  the chocolate and lilac colors were not originally allowed in British Shorthairs,  and still are not allowed in CFA,  because those colors came from Siamese and Burmese.  They're not native to British cats.  I think the Brits got them via the Persians (both self / solid and the colorpoint / " Himalayan"  Persians),  and the Persians got them from Siamese  many years ago. 

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I was looking at the CFA breed standard because that's the association I know best. They definitely limit the colors allowed in British Shorthairs. It looks like TICA allows all colors, so I assume chocolate and lilac would be included there.

 Yes I think TICA does allow all the colors   .But I hardly ever see those in North America at TICA shows.   it's the normal colors like blue, blue & white , cream tabby etc.

 In fact GCCF ,  which is of course the Brit's "home" registry,  now allows chocolate & lilac and colorpoint in British Shorthairs, although that has only been in relatively recent times. The colorpoint Brits seem to be popular there.  

TICA have a very annoying and IMO stupid policy about color.   A breed can choose to limit it to one color, or one color plus its dilute.  but if you allow anything else,  then you have to allow everything.   Makes me nuts.  That is one issue where I definitely prefer CFA's way of doing it.    The breed groups should be able to have more control over what colors they want and do not want.   We want to include not only seal & blue, but also chocolate & lilac because they're  natural to our breed.  But because we don't want to give up our chocolate points & lilac points,  we have to technically allow ANY point color.    but we don't want things like silver tabby points or golden points.

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Could he be a black shorthair with a fever coat ?

sillywabbit said:

Could he be a black shorthair with a fever coat ?

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  You mean the cat in that calender?   That cat really does look like a sable  Burm.   He looks like a very dark brown cat with the sepia pattern,  doesn't look like a black cat with some white hairs from fever coat.

  You're right, though, that fever coat can sometimes sort of approximate the same sort of patterns seen in the albino series cats .   but it makes some hairs white or greyish. 

Ah, thank you for that.